2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

[dodie20]

So....did Lindsy lie about Tommy being home that night? Cooking dinner, watching TV, yada, yada, yada....:banghead:

just thinking the same danged thing. I wonder if she was with him...maybe they were all down there partying it up, when something happened. But why make up a story that's worse than the truth?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

yeah, but why would Tommy lie? why not just say that he decided to on his own, go see if Misty was home? & since he obviously lied about why he was there, it's safe to assume that he might be lieing about what happened, once he got there. & since he has now been placed at his folk's house, it's only natural to wonder if LE has any evidence pointing to the crime happening there. & if he took Ron's call from a landline, & his original statement matches the phone record, then he can't very well separate himself from that original statement now. I'm guessing that LE has some evidence from that area that we don't know about, & it looks like Tommy has placed himself in the wrong place at the wrong time...& is now trying to squirm out of it.That's what he gets for throwing Misty under the bus, & lieing about Ron. & I'm assuming it is a lie, because he is now scrambling away from that statement. But all of this on my part, is just a bunch of guessing, & MOO.

BBM...One more question, then I am really going to bed. If LE has evidence from Ron's parents house, could this have anything to do with the 911 call that came in at 2:13? Or was that call from another croslin's house? I'm to tired to talk. Really going to bed now. Nit again.

 

[dodie20]

Tommy claims he originally told that story to get out of jail last September. LE grilled him for a couple of weeks when he was arrested on the stolen gun charge. As soon as he told them he'd gone to the MH and Misty wasn't there, his bond was reduced. The problem is since he placed himself at the scene, LE is going to hold him to it.

I'm not sure that I believe any of that story, but the important part might be that he admitted to receiving that call from Ron & phone records prove it. So, innadvertantly, he took himself out of his house & put himself at his folks. Now if that's the case, then LE has something to work with. maybe LE didn't originally have access to Hank's phone records? maybe Ron had an unregistered track? & when he talked to LE, he told them he called Hank's & Hank's records back it up? IDK, but for some reason, Tommy sure tried to remove himself from that story...& it wasn't because he felt bad for lying on his sister. He just keeps changing everything.

 

[bessie]

I'm not sure that I believe any of that story, but the important part might be that he admitted to receiving that call from Ron & phone records prove it. So, innadvertantly, he took himself out of his house & put himself at his folks. Now if that's the case, then LE has something to work with. maybe LE didn't originally have access to Hank's phone records? maybe Ron had an unregistered track? & when he talked to LE, he told them he called Hank's & Hank's records back it up? IDK, but for some reason, Tommy sure tried to remove himself from that story...& it wasn't because he felt bad for lying on his sister. He just keeps changing everything.

I don't think he tried to remove himself from the story. We heard that he recanted his story just a few days after he took a polygraph. I think we can assume the LDT showed he was lying and Werter advised him that it would be wise to just admit he lied because LE applied so much pressure. Otherwise, it's likely he would've held to the story.

 

[justus4all]

I'm not sure that I believe any of that story, but the important part might be that he admitted to receiving that call from Ron & phone records prove it. So, innadvertantly, he took himself out of his house & put himself at his folks. Now if that's the case, then LE has something to work with. maybe LE didn't originally have access to Hank's phone records? maybe Ron had an unregistered track? & when he talked to LE, he told them he called Hank's & Hank's records back it up? IDK, but for some reason, Tommy sure tried to remove himself from that story...& it wasn't because he felt bad for lying on his sister. He just keeps changing everything.

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That is a very good point you are making...

IF...there was nothing ...going on/nothing incriminating/.....why would Tommy care that he took Ron's phone call at his own parents house that night...other than just saying he was mistaken where he was when he spoke to Ron on the phone...

You are correct...he sure is trying to remove himself....Did something happen over there????...many questions..too few answers..believeable answers

 

[mikeysmommom]

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For the flurry of phone calls...and the texting...going on that night..SURELY the LE can get a "transcript" of the text messages and the time and place of the phone calls...They would KNOW what these 2 would be texting..
Wouldn't they???...Couldn't they???...It is possible???

LE should have gotten the text info as soon as Haleigh was missing, WTH took em so long?:furious:

 

[bessie]

bolded by me..

That is a very good point you are making...

IF...there was nothing ...going on/nothing incriminating/.....why would Tommy care that he took Ron's phone call at his own parents house that night...other than just saying he was mistaken where he was when he spoke to Ron on the phone...

You are correct...he sure is trying to remove himself....Did something happen over there????...many questions..too few answers..believeable answers

It's possible he claimed to be at his own home because it made the story more believable since he lived just around the corner. That's more convincing than saying he got up and drove 3.5 miles to check on his sister.

 

[mikeysmommom]

My feeling on Hank is that he's the most depressed person, I've ever seen. & there's gotta be a reason for that. Either he knows what happened, or he suspects, & he knows his kids better than anybody, so...he might very well, be able to help LE. But, if that means turning on his kids, I don't see it happening. not willingly, anyway.

IMO Hank has a lot to be depressed about,he and his wife let their drug addiction ruin their kids life as well as their own.I have no sympathy for him or his wife.What kind of parents let all the kids dropout of school,let their under age daughter move in with a guy,probably even shared their pills.Sickening bunch and now what happens to the grandchildren,hopefully they will not go down the same road.IMO when all is said and done I think all his children will be behind bars.

 

[dodie20]

IMO Hank has a lot to be depressed about,he and his wife let their drug addiction ruin their kids life as well as their own.I have no sympathy for him or his wife.What kind of parents let all the kids dropout of school,let their under age daughter move in with a guy,probably even shared their pills.Sickening bunch and now what happens to the grandchildren,hopefully they will not go down the same road.IMO when all is said and done I think all his children will be behind bars.

You may be right, & Hank & Lisa tick me off like no other parents, but I do feel some sadness for them, because I know they didn't plan for all of this to happen. & my heart breaks for Misty, & then I have to remind myself that she might be a killer.

 

[mikeysmommom]

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yes...I agree...this gunfight is connected...

If it was not connected..at the beginning. Ron could have easily admitted to it..

There was a reason..he denied it...He denied it every time it was asked of him..

Refresh my memory....Did TN deny the fight as well??? It seems she did, too.
If so.....Why????

IMO he denied it because he would have lost his son if he admitted he had an illegal gun.Still does not mean he had anything to do with Haleigh missing.

 

[azwriter]

I think maybe Ron owned up to the fight, in exchange for some gun immunity. & I don't think Ron ever did deny the call to Tommy, just the reason. But come to think of it, I remember Werter saying that Tommy was changing the TIME of his story, not necessarily recanting. So, it looks like LE is trying to place Tommy in his folks house at a certain time. a crucial time, I do believe, that doesn't match up with the Joe story. I think Ron realizes the jig is up, & that's why he's talking...to save his own hide.

About immunity for a gun charge, dodie20, I would think Ron would also be looking at Federal charges if it was an automatic weapon or a machine gun. Don't know if local LE could extend immunity on Federal charges. But thanks for bringing it up and Ron's reason for talking.

jmo

 

[dodie20]

Tommy claims he originally told that story to get out of jail last September. LE grilled him for a couple of weeks when he was arrested on the stolen gun charge. As soon as he told them he'd gone to the MH and Misty wasn't there, his bond was reduced. The problem is since he placed himself at the scene, LE is going to hold him to it.

& is LE supposed to believe he made it all up, just to get out of jail? maybe he did maybe he didn't. I wonder why they didn't follow up with a LDT. It's MOO, that Le liked what Tommy had to say, because it backed up their 'Misty was gone' theory, & they were satisfied without proof. arggghhh....

 

[bessie]

& is LE supposed to believe he made it all up, just to get out of jail? maybe he did maybe he didn't. I wonder why they didn't follow up with a LDT. It's MOO, that Le liked what Tommy had to say, because it backed up their 'Misty was gone' theory, & they were satisfied without proof. arggghhh....

Bingo. What I find questionable about AH's "breaking news" is where he states LE was "especially interested" to learn Ron didn't ask Tommy to go check on Misty. That's absurd. Ron has been saying that for a year, and even Tommy himself admitted it wasn't true.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I have said this from the very beginning...The video of RC crying in his striped shirt in the front yard while he was holding HC photo...Was the emotion of GREIF...He knew that his daughter was dead then and has known exactly what, when, where and who since this whole thing started and he has been the person that others have been afraid to piss off....I wish a really good attorney would file a Civil Suit against RC, MC and TC for Crystal Pro Bono, and at that point it would make no difference what deals have been cut to date, they would all have to get on the stand and answer some questions....It would not be about money it would be about JUSTICE for Haleigh...

A Civil Suit would be a good idea in theory, but this bunch has lied so many times to LE I doubt any would tell the truth on the stand.

 

[dodie20]

Bingo. What I find questionable about AH's "breaking news" is where he states LE was "especially interested" to learn Ron didn't ask Tommy to go check on Misty. That's absurd. Ron has been saying that for a year, and even Tommy himself admitted it wasn't true.

I think Art might be just as confused as we are, & that's the best he could come up with for LE's interest. But like you said, they already knew that. LE obviously knows something we don't, & when we finally hear, we're gonna be saying, 'ahhhh, but of course'...

 

[bessie]

I think Art might be just as confused as we are, & that's the best he could come up with for LE's interest. But like you said, they already knew that. LE obviously knows something we don't, & when we finally hear, we're gonna be saying, 'ahhhh, but of course'...

I think so, too, Dodie. The truth is sitting right under our noses. We just can't see it because it's tangled up in all the changing stories and shoddy reporting.

 

[ilovemew]

Totally outta left field here but remember that little make shift chair in the woods by Ron's trailer? Would he have hidden there and sat there waiting to catch Tommy and or Joe trying to steal his gun? He obviously knew they were looking for it. That night though he had to go to work and leave Misty in charge. I don't think he trusted her to not give up his gun hence the hiding of it and the numerous phone calls to check up. He was pizzed at her that night but needed a babysitter. Toxic, toxic situation! :furious:

Also-Hi everyone! :wave: Long time no "see". Love to you all xoxo :hug:

 

[bessie]

IMO he denied it because he would have lost his son if he admitted he had an illegal gun.Still does not mean he had anything to do with Haleigh missing.

No, it doesn't. It just shows that he had other reasons to lie.

 

[txsvicki]

IMO Hank has a lot to be depressed about,he and his wife let their drug addiction ruin their kids life as well as their own.I have no sympathy for him or his wife.What kind of parents let all the kids dropout of school,let their under age daughter move in with a guy,probably even shared their pills.Sickening bunch and now what happens to the grandchildren,hopefully they will not go down the same road.IMO when all is said and done I think all his children will be behind bars.

And stealing from an elderly blind man together. I think they're going to charge Tommy with something and Ron is going to confess to having done something criminal before Haleigh ever went missing, but has been trying to hide it.

 

[bessie]

Hey, MewMew. Good to see ya! :blowkiss:

You've been photoshopping again, I see. lol