2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

[debs]

Joe "going off the deep end and going into that back room" with Tommy sitting on the couch facing the master bedroom door where Misty says Haleigh was sleeping would mean Tommy could see everything, since Haleigh's bed was so artfully arranged right there by the door. The only "back room" in that house would have been Haleigh's bedroom.

 

[Emeralgem]

In April, Tommy admitted that he lied about going to the MH. If Haleigh died at his parents' house, or she was taken there afterward, Tommy might have been trying place himself somewhere else. So, he told LE he was at home that evening and then walked over to Green Ln around 10.

Why would they take her to Hank Sr. and Lisa residence after she was deceased?I'm more inclined to believe Haleigh died at Tommy and Misty's parents residence and IF they brought her back to the Hermit Cove area, they placed her in that dumpster until other arrangements could be made...
I seriously doubt they would transfer a deceased child from one residence to another residence.. They needed a place to hide her until Ron and his family could make plans to dispose of her remains...JMHO

 

[lil momma]

Does anyone recall if Tommy's house (on Tyler) was ever searched after HaLeigh went missing?

I really don't recall there being a search at the Magnolia address, not to say there wasn't.

How about Timmy's house? (i would assume (but we know what that does and this is PCSO) Le did some sort of searching of the outside of the residence for reasons of the van being parked differently and the scratches on it)

I would also like to know, did LE search the homes of TN and GGS?

TIA if anyone can answer, although i think i already know the answers.


JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

Joe "going off the deep end and going into that back room" with Tommy sitting on the couch facing the master bedroom door where Misty says Haleigh was sleeping would mean Tommy could see everything, since Haleigh's bed was so artfully arranged right there by the door. The only "back room" in that house would have been Haleigh's bedroom.

True, but do we don't have a clue as to what the floor plan looks like at Hank Sr. and Lisa's former residence on Magnolia...JMHO

 

[Emeralgem]

Does anyone recall if Tommy's house (on Tyler) was ever searched after HaLeigh went missing?

I really don't recall there being a search at the Magnolia address, not to say there wasn't.

How about Timmy's house? (i would assume (but we know what that does and this is PCSO) Le did some sort of searching of the outside of the residence for reasons of the van being parked differently and the scratches on it)

I would also like to know, did LE search the homes of TN and GGS?

TIA if anyone can answer, although i think i already know the answers.


JMO

The only property I recall ever hearing being searched was MG's property..And IIRC that was quite a few months after Haleigh was reported missing..

 

[debs]

The only property I recall ever hearing being searched was MG's property..And IIRC that was quite a few months after Haleigh was reported missing..

And at Marie's insistence.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

Bessie... I remember at the time thinking you've got to be kidding me, you can't even get the phone calls sorted out. I mean it really should have been a simple process. It usually is. Now, I wonder what all was in the texts that needs to be hid...perhaps some peeps were named that LE sure does not want to be public knowledge? Hint Hint...aaachhhooomerchant. :angel:

I think that it is very tricky to get any kind of records on the throw away phones...but didn't TN have a phone plan that she had Ron on? Thinking out loud here, just going off your post- Did he also have a throw away as well? If Ron was texting Misty, they could get 1/2 of the conversation...his part and responses but never know what Misty was texting back. I believe that is where all of this confusion lies however your post did make me think a little. I just think there are no electronic records, but it sounds unprofessional to just say so, or to admit not knowing how many phones were involved. So sad. I think if they had a phone call plan this case would be farther along. With the calls, texts and those dang pings I am always wondering about on paper.

 

[Dee10]

Art said "However, what`s interesting is that they wanted to know about all the relationships between him and all the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night."

I hope that includes questions about G'MA Sykes, and the always washing of clothes.I wonder if he called her a number of times as well?IDK but there might be some questions there.It would not surprise me if they weren't trying to keep his guard down by saying he's not a suspect hoping he trips up somehow KWIM?

 

[Asti]

I remember Player telling us that his home and all in the area were searched several times by LE in those early days and since Tommy lived in the neighborhood I would assume his house would have also been searched.

 

[suspicious1]

Art said "However, what`s interesting is that they wanted to know about all the relationships between him and all the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night."

I hope that includes questions about G'MA Sykes, and the always washing of clothes.I wonder if he called her a number of times as well?IDK but there might be some questions there.It would not surprise me if they weren't trying to keep his guard down by saying he's not a suspect hoping he trips up somehow KWIM?

Dee10, I found that odd, too. I was thinking that LE asked about the relationships between Ron and the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night...for a reason. I know we have heard about all the calls
made that night but something tells me that those calls were not only to Misty, he77, we know at least one of those calls was made to Tommy. IMO, Ron called quite a few people that night.
I think LE has phone records and that is why when Tommy got locked up in August, i think, they questioned him about that particular call between him and RON. I don't know if they got Ron or Tommy's phone records, but something tells me that Ron didn't just offer up that information to LE....so there had to be something in black and white. Ron did not deny that call was made but he denied the reason for the call. Not to mention that Ron initiated the call....So what did Ron want? IMO, this particular phone call is crucial to this investigation. This may even be when Tommy comes into play. It's funny how LE was focused on a call initiated by Ron to Tommy. IMO, LE has known for quite some time that Ron had information regarding what happened to Haleigh, they just couldn't get it out of him. IMO, that's why the drug sting was formed. It went as planned, and their main targets are now sitting behind bars with extremely high bonds. Ron included.

Who were all the people supposedly at the trailer that day? Jo, Misty, Tommy, GMSykes, A/C repair man, Teresa (per Lt. Greenwood)...am I missing anybody?

 

[azwriter]

IMO he denied it because he would have lost his son if he admitted he had an illegal gun.Still does not mean he had anything to do with Haleigh missing.

Ron would have lost more than his son if he was found to have an illegal firearm. He would have been facing Federal charges which could mean a very large fine and a heavy sentence in a Federal prison.

With that in mind, I for one, can see Ron hiding ownership of a specific gun in order to avoid those type of charges. Losing his son would have been second in Ron Cummings mind. IMO, Ron would first be motivated by protecting himself and not his children.

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Totally outta left field here but remember that little make shift chair in the woods by Ron's trailer? Would he have hidden there and sat there waiting to catch Tommy and or Joe trying to steal his gun? He obviously knew they were looking for it. That night though he had to go to work and leave Misty in charge. I don't think he trusted her to not give up his gun hence the hiding of it and the numerous phone calls to check up. He was pizzed at her that night but needed a babysitter. Toxic, toxic situation! :furious:

Also-Hi everyone! :wave: Long time no "see". Love to you all xoxo :hug:

Ilovemew, missed you. Where you been? Hope you are well. Good thought about the chair in the woods.

 

[Emeralgem]

Dee10, I found that odd, too. I was thinking that LE asked about the relationships between Ron and the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night...for a reason. I know we have heard about all the calls
made that night but something tells me that those calls were not only to Misty, he77, we know at least one of those calls was made to Tommy. IMO, Ron called quite a few people that night.
I think LE has phone records and that is why when Tommy got locked up in August, i think, they questioned him about that particular call between him and RON. I don't know if they got Ron or Tommy's phone records, but something tells me that Ron didn't just offer up that information to LE....so there had to be something in black and white. Ron did not deny that call was made but he denied the reason for the call. Not to mention that Ron initiated the call....So what did Ron want? IMO, this particular phone call is crucial to this investigation. This may even be when Tommy comes into play. It's funny how LE was focused on a call initiated by Ron to Tommy. IMO, LE has known for quite some time that Ron had information regarding what happened to Haleigh, they just couldn't get it out of him. IMO, that's why the drug sting was formed. It went as planned, and their main targets are now sitting behind bars with extremely high bonds. Ron included.

Who were all the people supposedly at the trailer that day? Jo, Misty, Tommy, GMSykes, A/C repair man, Teresa (per Lt. Greenwood)...am I missing anybody?

Ronald C adamantly denied Jo was ever there that day..Now how in the HELL-O he would even know IF he was at work, like he claims, but thats what he stated..
Also Misty never mentioned Jo was there and she never mentioned GGMS was there either..However we do have GGMS herself stating she was there that night, and my understanding is there was someone else with her....JMHO

 

[kolokolo]

Dee10, I found that odd, too. I was thinking that LE asked about the relationships between Ron and the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night...for a reason. I know we have heard about all the calls
made that night but something tells me that those calls were not only to Misty, he77, we know at least one of those calls was made to Tommy. IMO, Ron called quite a few people that night.
I think LE has phone records and that is why when Tommy got locked up in August, i think, they questioned him about that particular call between him and RON. I don't know if they got Ron or Tommy's phone records, but something tells me that Ron didn't just offer up that information to LE....so there had to be something in black and white. Ron did not deny that call was made but he denied the reason for the call. Not to mention that Ron initiated the call....So what did Ron want? IMO, this particular phone call is crucial to this investigation. This may even be when Tommy comes into play. It's funny how LE was focused on a call initiated by Ron to Tommy. IMO, LE has known for quite some time that Ron had information regarding what happened to Haleigh, they just couldn't get it out of him. IMO, that's why the drug sting was formed. It went as planned, and their main targets are now sitting behind bars with extremely high bonds. Ron included.

Who were all the people supposedly at the trailer that day? Jo, Misty, Tommy, GMSykes, A/C repair man, Teresa (per Lt. Greenwood)...am I missing anybody?

Dont forget the individual in the "we". I think it was Aunt Lisa per Misty's LVA test. Always wanted to hear from this "we" individual, I guess local reporters didnt try or maybe the "we" individual just said NO Comment. I thought maybe the "we" individual could shed some light on the description of the shirts GMS put on the children. Maybe JVM or NG could invite the "we" individual on their show!

 

[lonetraveler]

I think that it is very tricky to get any kind of records on the throw away phones...but didn't TN have a phone plan that she had Ron on? Thinking out loud here, just going off your post- Did he also have a throw away as well? If Ron was texting Misty, they could get 1/2 of the conversation...his part and responses but never know what Misty was texting back. I believe that is where all of this confusion lies however your post did make me think a little. I just think there are no electronic records, but it sounds unprofessional to just say so, or to admit not knowing how many phones were involved. So sad. I think if they had a phone call plan this case would be farther along. With the calls, texts and those dang pings I am always wondering about on paper.

I know this may be way out there but I've always wondered if the first call to LE (not the 911 call) where LE cruised by 116 Tyler, if the call involved trying to find Misty (a minor) instead of having anything to do with Haleigh. Ron may have called in a favor, or Teresa may have made the call for him to LE to get someone to check at Tommy's home to see if Misty was there. Both Ron and Teresa appeared to be desperate to find Misty and get her to the Cummings MH that night. This could also explain the comment on the dispatch logs about "she was last seen 1 - 1/2 hours ago at her residence". Maybe they were talking about Misty at her parents home and the comment did not have anything to do with Haleigh...............?

 

[justus4all]

Why would they take her to Hank Sr. and Lisa residence after she was deceased?I'm more inclined to believe Haleigh died at Tommy and Misty's parents residence and IF they brought her back to the Hermit Cove area, they placed her in that dumpster until other arrangements could be made...
I seriously doubt they would transfer a deceased child from one residence to another residence.. They needed a place to hide her until Ron and his family could make plans to dispose of her remains...JMHO

bolded by me..

I agree with your comment....

One would not be inclined to take a dead body....from another location..and transport it ...to your OWN HOME...

sorry to say this (the scent, the fluids,) would become evident and easily detected by search dogs.....Hence...the dumpster...and didn't the dogs hit on it???

Since the LE is saying...there was no sign at Ron's home of any crime committed....they were not sure...what happened...

Your comment makes a LOT OF SENSE....and could be a very good probabilty..of what happened...

Didn't someone see Misty when she picked up Haleigh at the bus stop...drive off TOWARDS the Magnolia residence..in the opposite direction of Ron's MH?

my opinion...

 

[Whisperer]

This conversation about phone calls and Major Bowling happens right after rc was told he had to go talk to FDLE. He went with his attorney. Shoemaker told the press that the phone calls were the only thing he was allowing rc to speak about. This incident took place at the August after the assault on tommy. rc and misty had not been cooperating with LE since March.

In this article it states that LE was/is having difficulty with the technology.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

 

[Emeralgem]

I know this may be way out there but I've always wondered if the first call to LE (not the 911 call) where LE cruised by 116 Tyler, if the call involved trying to find Misty (a minor) instead of having anything to do with Haleigh. Ron may have called in a favor, or Teresa may have made the call for him to LE to get someone to check at Tommy's home to see if Misty was there. Both Ron and Teresa appeared to be desperate to find Misty and get her to the Cummings MH that night. This could also explain the comment on the dispatch logs about "she was last seen 1 - 1/2 hours ago at her residence". Maybe they were talking about Misty at her parents home and the comment did not have anything to do with Haleigh...............?

Geeesh.. Now you have given me something else to ponder over..
But I'm thinking IF Ron C or TN made that call, their plans were definitely to set up Misty to be the fall girl...

 

[Emeralgem]

bolded by me..

I agree with your comment....

One would not be inclined to take a dead body....from another location..and transport it ...to your OWN HOME...

sorry to say this (the scent, the fluids,) would become evident and easily detected by search dogs.....Hence...the dumpster...and didn't the dogs hit on it???

Since the LE is saying...there was no sign at Ron's home of any crime committed....they were not sure...what happened...

Your comment makes a LOT OF SENSE....and could be a very good probabilty..of what happened...

Didn't someone see Misty when she picked up Haleigh at the bus stop...drive off TOWARDS the Magnolia residence..in the opposite direction of Ron's MH?my opinion...

JS did state to AH he saw Misty pick up Haleigh and drive in the opposite direction of the MH. My understanding is JS also gave this information to LE..
There has been some speculation, as of late, that it may have been Chelsey driving that van though, so I don't know...
I also recall JS stating that Austin, Tommy's son, got in to the same van as Haleigh did...Where they were headed to, I don't know, but either Chesley or Lindsey told AH Misty was staying at her parent's house while Hank Sr. and Lisa were in Gainesville...

 

[suspicious1]

In September 2009, Tommy said he went to the MH around 9:45 after a call from Ron looking for Misty. Ron admitted the call but Shoemaker said Ron did not ask Tommy to go to the MH.

I've never been able to figure out why that was an issue. So what if he did ask Tommy to go to the MH. Why was it so important to deny that?

Twenty-three-year-old Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. told detectives Thursday that his sister’s then-boyfriend, Ronald Cummings, called from work to ask about her whereabouts. In the interview, he told detectives he went to the Satsuma mobile home about 9:45 p.m. to find his sister.
Ronald Cummings’ attorney said Tuesday that Cummings did not ask Croslin to check where she was and had been in touch with her during the evening.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

BBM

See that's what I don't understand....We have Ron's lawyer saying that Ron didnt ask Tommy to go check on Misty because Ron had been in touch with her during the evening. So would it be safe to assume that Ron already knew where Misty was, therefore, it was his reason for claiming that he did not ask Tommy to go check on her? If that's the case, then why the need to call Tommy at all? It was reported that the call was made to Magnolia St. address, so Ron called that house for a reason. Now, I think that's where Misty was all along and Ron knew that. Maybe this phone call was initiated by Ron while "Misty and Tommy were sitting on the couch":waitasec:.

There was once a theory (Emeralgem) that maybe when Misty supposedly picked up Haleigh that afternoon and headed in the opposite direction of the mh, that she was headed to the Magnolia address....that maybe Ron caught up with Misty there and something happened to Haleigh in that area. Too many things point towards this area: Tommy directs LE to this area to search the dock, Chelsea gives GMFlo exact directions to a spot in this area starting from the Magnolia address as to where to find Haleigh, Misty had to warn the Cummings that this area was going to be searched, The Cummings search this area for hours, then LE searched the area and turned this into a HOMOCIDE investigation......now we learn Ron called the landline of Magnolia address around 9pm-ish....
This is not a coincidence. But it fits. I, personally, believe that Ron called over to the Magnolia address. If Ron wasn't calling for Tommy to go and check on Misty, IMO, Ron was calling for assistance.

JMO of course