2011.01.06 Baez Slapped with Formal Sanction

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Well I don't think he's demented or stupid. He's just an arrogant game player who thinks he's smarter than every other person in the room.

I totally agree with you ~ Watch him the next time there is a hearing.
There is nothing wrong with this man's hearing either, IMO.

I've seen him go all hand to the ear, and in the next second, while the state is whispering behind him, he can turn that cowboy heeled foot around on a dime and immediatly counter what they were talking about.

Watch for it ~ It is there.

I commented earlier this week about his "selective hearing".
 
It would be great if one of our members who's local were to sit in the courtroom in one of the other cases just once to see how CM presents himself in that case compared to the Anthony case.

I was thinking the exact same thing Leila ~
 
When this case is over and done with, I think JB is going to have a lot more to worry about than a sanction (or two) by HHMP. :yes:

Might be another reason that he wanting to drag this thing out for as long as he can.
He knows his career is in the ringer.
Cause, he cannot possibly be this stupid ~

He has had plenty of high powered, intelligent attorney's on board, that I have no doubt have set him straight, and, had a coming to Jesus talk with this man ~
 
It would be great if one of our members who's local were to sit in the courtroom in one of the other cases just once to see how CM presents himself in that case compared to the Anthony case.

See for yourself. This is a portion of a Dateline that shows Mason in action during the Nelson Serrano case.

Interestingly, one of the few comments refers to "Mumbles Mason."

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2e1bDwE3M0&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2e1bDwE3M0&feature=related[/ame]
 
Mason came on board because Jose "I'll do all the work" Baez convinced him to lend his name and reputation to the case.


:twocents:

respectfully snipped...

If Mr Mason was getting bored with a long career in law that seemed to be ending with a whimper instead of a bang, then the Caylee case did shake things up. It also led to media coverage and several more interesting cases. Mr Mason may actually be having more 'fun' now than he has had in years.
 
CM has nothing to lose, he's retiring. JB has nothing to lose he's a defense attorney who will go on record as sticking his neck way out for his client regardless of what the cost is to him personally. If you've broken the law you're not interested in an attorney who "goes by the book", you want a risk taker who is willing to do just about anything to get you off or a lighter sentence. You would want someone who is willing to "fly by the seat of their pants". Although JB has not always used the best judgment look at what he has had to work with. They're defense attorneys with a difficult client. Need I say more. lol jmo

P.S. - I've known a few attorneys who have done far worse than JB and gotten into trouble for it but are still practicing law. They have to do something really, really bad to get tossed.

BBM

Respectfully, LambChop, I disagree that CM has nothing to lose. Retiring or not, he has his reputation to lose. And although I cannot explain his behavior since joining this case, I believe his reputation means something to him. In the sanctions hearing, he made the comment about never having been sanctioned in 40 years and he wasn't going to let it happen now. That indicated to me that he cared about appearances.

I cannot imagine that a respected attorney (or anyone, for that matter) would have a seemingly stellar reputation for 40 years and then just purposely trash it.

On top of that, even though we have heard he is "retiring", I am yet to see any evidence of that. He keeps taking on more cases... and high profile ones at that.

:twocents:
 
Mason came on board because Jose "I'll do all the work" Baez convinced him to lend his name and reputation to the case. Mason did not realize at that point that he was aligning himself with a totally incompetent nincompoop. He expected to lounge around at the defense table, wave at the cameras, drop a few sound bites and bon mots at press conferences, and collect the admiration of the legal community and the good citizens of Florida, plus cash in on a couple Brownie points.

What he has found, however, is that he had aligned himself with a "lawyer" who struggles to rise to the level of a neophyte nincompoop, who refuses to obey the orders of the court, who conducts himself like a celebrity, and who is basically ignorant of the law. Baez can't buy a clue as to the inner workings of the court or finesse points in dealing with the prosecution. Mason now finds himself - reluctantly - cleaning up Baez's messes, and being laughed at alongside Baez. He's being blamed for nincompoopness-by-association.

It is no longer fun for Mason. He doesn't want to be there, and it shows in his demeanor and his legal arguments as sloppiness. If he can figure a way to gracefully bow out, he will. But as long as he's stuck we will continue to see this petulant, pouting, I'm-an-old-geezer-acting character.


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Numbers, I agree with your post.

I also think that CM is arrogant enough to actually believe he would be able to work a miracle and find a legal loophole to get KC off, so he would look to the world like this totally magnificent attorney.

Oh yes, I think appearances matter very much to him... and I agree that we may see him leave this case if he is able to finagle a way to do so. And if not, he will continue to play the selective hearing game.

JMO
 
Interesting. He does appear to be stumbling and bumbling lost in that court room. He is not like this when leaving and looking for microphones. This seems to be a case of selective surroundings dementia. Or, Act II Scene One.

I completely agree. My money is that it's all an act.
 
Well I don't think he's demented or stupid. He's just an arrogant game player who thinks he's smarter than every other person in the room.

BINGO!!!!!!!!! We have a winner. I think you have him pegged.

He strikes me as having an attitude that many arrogant attorneys possess. Now, I'm not saying that all arrogant attorneys are like this but many get the idea that if you don't posses a JD then you aren't fit to kiss upon the ground they walk on. And Mason comes across as someone with JDitis (what others affectionately call someone suffering the above attitude problem). I hope someone knocks his butt off the pedestal that he has perched HIMSELF upon.

Added: And it's my opinion that none of the attorneys who post on this board suffer from the above affliction. Thank goodness.
 
I completely agree. My money is that it's all an act.

It could be an attempt at the Trial by Ambush strategy. Ruse.

Opponents size each other up continually and play at that level, by operating in a low key manner he can be trying to cause the SA to lower their game. They are getting used to the mumbling bumbling Defense perception.

At Trial it becomes game on, showtime and CM changes radically and blindsides the SA with both his arguments and some surprises. I don't think so but he could be playing 'off his game' on purpose to lull everyone into a false sense.

I do think while the SA are laughing along they are also staying at the top of their game.
 
It could be an attempt at the Trial by Ambush strategy. Ruse.

Opponents size each other up continually and play at that level, by operating in a low key manner he can be trying to cause the SA to lower their game. They are getting used to the mumbling bumbling Defense perception.

At Trial it becomes game on, showtime and CM changes radically and blindsides the SA with both his arguments and some surprises. I don't think so but he could be playing 'off his game' on purpose to lull everyone into a false sense.

I do think while the SA are laughing along they are also staying at the top of their game.

It could be. But I don't think anyone in the SA's office is buying what Mason is trying to sell.

Thankfully Burdick is no Marsha Clark, she gets it and she's sharp as nails. I get the impression that Burdick is well aware of everyones "number", most importantly (and thankfully) Casey's.

I can't wait to watch her in action. :great:
 
Mason came on board because Jose "I'll do all the work" Baez convinced him to lend his name and reputation to the case. Mason did not realize at that point that he was aligning himself with a totally incompetent nincompoop. He expected to lounge around at the defense table, wave at the cameras, drop a few sound bites and bon mots at press conferences, and collect the admiration of the legal community and the good citizens of Florida, plus cash in on a couple Brownie points.

What he has found, however, is that he had aligned himself with a "lawyer" who struggles to rise to the level of a neophyte nincompoop, who refuses to obey the orders of the court, who conducts himself like a celebrity, and who is basically ignorant of the law. Baez can't buy a clue as to the inner workings of the court or finesse points in dealing with the prosecution. Mason now finds himself - reluctantly - cleaning up Baez's messes, and being laughed at alongside Baez. He's being blamed for nincompoopness-by-association.

It is no longer fun for Mason. He doesn't want to be there, and it shows in his demeanor and his legal arguments as sloppiness. If he can figure a way to gracefully bow out, he will. But as long as he's stuck we will continue to see this petulant, pouting, I'm-an-old-geezer-acting character.


:twocents:

nincompoopness-by-association. :floorlaugh: I'm writing to the Oxford English Dictionary people right now.

Might be another reason that he wanting to drag this thing out for as long as he can.
He knows his career is in the ringer.
Cause, he cannot possibly be this stupid ~

He has had plenty of high powered, intelligent attorney's on board, that I have no doubt have set him straight, and, had a coming to Jesus talk with this man ~

BBM

No, I'm pretty sure he can be and is.

It could be an attempt at the Trial by Ambush strategy. Ruse.

Opponents size each other up continually and play at that level, by operating in a low key manner he can be trying to cause the SA to lower their game. They are getting used to the mumbling bumbling Defense perception.

At Trial it becomes game on, showtime and CM changes radically and blindsides the SA with both his arguments and some surprises. I don't think so but he could be playing 'off his game' on purpose to lull everyone into a false sense.

I do think while the SA are laughing along they are also staying at the top of their game.

Nah, my vote is for incompetence.
 
The footnote is delicious (link to PDF here):

"Counsel now details efforts to fax approximately 300 pages, which the Clerk's office declined, as well as attorney William Slabaugh's trek through rush hour traffic to file these pages, only to reach the courthouse after closing time on the date the information was due. Counsel did not previously offer the information set forth in Page Six of the instant Motion for Reconsideration. Regardless, counsel was directed to provide "a statement of the specific subjects upon which the expert will testify and offer opinions; the substance of the facts to which the expert is expected to testify; and a summary of the expert's opinions and the ground for each opinion." Dropping 300 pages of documentation into the court file cannot reasonably be interpreted to comply with this direction."

:croc:

OMG this whole doc is hilarious!! It should come with a sarcasm warning....LOVE IT!
 
See for yourself. This is a portion of a Dateline that shows Mason in action during the Nelson Serrano case.

Interestingly, one of the few comments refers to "Mumbles Mason."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2e1bDwE3M0&feature=related

Isn't this the same case that someone took CM up on his offer of a million dollars, and proved that Serano could have gone to Erie and back home again within the time period? That must have made CM very angry, since he seems to be the type who doesn't like to be proven wrong. I too, feel the good ole boy, hard of hearing, mentally deficient Mason is totally an act. My only hope is that if he is still on the defense team at trial, that he tries to speak clearer than he has been at hearings, or we are going to miss alot of what is going on. Do ya'll think that HHJP can understand everything that CM says? I just find that I don't understand a dang word he says! :banghead:
 
Check at the date that Jose Baez stood in court and verbally listed the experts!

January 8, 2009 two full years ago!!!!

How dare he try to just now request their CV! I just don't believe him!!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgUTf2OUarE[/ame]

OMG four minute mark he admits they have their own photos, he just does not believe the court has jurisdiction over them, since they are out of state. WTH?!

He says if the state will pay for his experts to come to Florida, fine, he will have them come to Florida rather than ask that state evidence be sent to them in their state.....this is WAAAAAAAY before she was declared indigent for costs.
Richard Hornsby called it a long, long time ago....rather than working her case he was pinching pennies and it did NOT serve his client well.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67fiksHhng[/ame]

Watch Bill Sheaffer, he cannot believe his ears when Jose argues that these state evidence photos practically belong to Casey Anthony, since afterall, she is the next of kin.

Next of kin to the allegedly murdered baby......he really should not be practicing law, imo, he is soo misinformed it is scary. This is like the Menendez brothers wanting to be called orphans.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXX91GBhCGs[/ame]
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JF90JRyPGM[/ame]
Casey is mad, the judge ordered her to appear, so they went to the jail to get her!
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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCC5BY6wDH8[/ame]
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It could be an attempt at the Trial by Ambush strategy. Ruse.

Opponents size each other up continually and play at that level, by operating in a low key manner he can be trying to cause the SA to lower their game. They are getting used to the mumbling bumbling Defense perception.

At Trial it becomes game on, showtime and CM changes radically and blindsides the SA with both his arguments and some surprises. I don't think so but he could be playing 'off his game' on purpose to lull everyone into a false sense.

I do think while the SA are laughing along they are also staying at the top of their game.

Respectfully Quoted cyberborg :cool2:
BBM


Your theory in bold(by me) made me think about a scene from "The Princess Bride" where the hero reveals, in a sword fight-(to the man he is against)that he has been using his one hand when in fact he is other handed. IIRC, they both end up switching hands...

CM might not be the only one "operating in a low key manner"(if ya don't mind the quote cyberborg its a good one). I read in the news, the motions written by the prosecution and the sanity is refreshing to say the least. The very least. :rocker: Maybe these tactics have worked for CM before, worked for Jose before...they worked for Casey before. But this is now. I have faith in the prosecution because they speak in facts not spin, I hear this-the jury will hear this, imo. ITA they are "on top of their game."

I do not know what is wrong with CM, I am open to all these suggestions. My grandfather passed due to Parkinson's and my mom was the one to notice his behavior change, which ended up being close to ten years before he was diagnosed. When she expressed concern to my grandmother and my aunt(her sister)they became upset at the suggestion there was anything wrong with my grandfather's mind. It wasn't until my grandfather was doing things like telling the lady at the grocery store he didn't know why "this lady/my grandmother" was following him around, or telling us that Ozzy and Harriet lived down the street-that they were willing to see and admit.

Also, in my grandfather's case there began to be physical symptoms(tremors, speech difficulty, etc.)that could not be denied or ignored.

Maybe with CM it is a combo deal: he is/does practice smarmy law and there is something mentally/physically wrong with him. I know from my generation and point of view, we were told that some elderly folk were "senile." We know now that you don't have to lose any of your mental facilities just because you are aging, is my understanding. I am sure there are plenty of 90 year olds that are sharper than I will ever be. What we once may have lumped into a category under the title of "that's what happens when you are elderly", we now look at and understand it is a disease and not everyone gets this disease. I should add that in the case of Parkinson's, I thought it was an elderly disease but then it is my understanding that Michael J. Fox has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. So, young people can get Parkinson's and I do not know about Alzheimer's to speak on the subject.

Anyway...the whole team can't have the same disease, can they? :crazy:

Thank you for this thread. A lot of information is coming in, I had to read this page twice(last two days of posts for me)in conjunction with the news reports(thank you WS News Thread)to understand even remotely what is going on.

Thank you to TWA who blew my mind with the video's she posted re: JB and the evidence recovered from the Anthony home and the money trail video. A question was asked, "could the verdict be overturned on appeal because of how Jose was paid", because of where the funds came from? Then reading LambChop's take that Jose wants a message to get out that he is the type of atty that will do what it takes to get his client off or a lesser sentence. As I read that I thought about organized crime and gangsters and how they might be the type Jose wouldn't mind defending. And I thought, is that what he is up to? He is not trying to impress people like me...his tactics seem A-OK with ICA, so why not others? I guess we will see with the outcome of the trial.

I was so naive. I thought when it came to law, lawyers-that they of all people(next to LE)had to follow the rules/law. Has Jose Baez/his team broken the law or has he only violated ethics? TIA.

One more thing for now. A quote from RH that I had to post because it confirms for me my personal thoughts regarding Jose Baez. "Most law he cites pretty much goes against what he's arguing for." That sums up my experience of the defense team while following this case. :waitasec:
:cow:
 
Respectfully Quoted cyberborg :cool2:
BBM


Your theory in bold(by me) made me think about a scene from "The Princess Bride" where the hero reveals, in a sword fight-(to the man he is against)that he has been using his one hand when in fact he is other handed. IIRC, they both end up switching hands...

CM might not be the only one "operating in a low key manner"(if ya don't mind the quote cyberborg its a good one). I read in the news, the motions written by the prosecution and the sanity is refreshing to say the least. The very least. :rocker: Maybe these tactics have worked for CM before, worked for Jose before...they worked for Casey before. But this is now. I have faith in the prosecution because they speak in facts not spin, I hear this-the jury will hear this, imo. ITA they are "on top of their game."

I do not know what is wrong with CM, I am open to all these suggestions. My grandfather passed due to Parkinson's and my mom was the one to notice his behavior change, which ended up being close to ten years before he was diagnosed. When she expressed concern to my grandmother and my aunt(her sister)they became upset at the suggestion there was anything wrong with my grandfather's mind. It wasn't until my grandfather was doing things like telling the lady at the grocery store he didn't know why "this lady/my grandmother" was following him around, or telling us that Ozzy and Harriet lived down the street-that they were willing to see and admit.

Also, in my grandfather's case there began to be physical symptoms(tremors, speech difficulty, etc.)that could not be denied or ignored.

Maybe with CM it is a combo deal: he is/does practice smarmy law and there is something mentally/physically wrong with him. I know from my generation and point of view, we were told that some elderly folk were "senile." We know now that you don't have to lose any of your mental facilities just because you are aging, is my understanding. I am sure there are plenty of 90 year olds that are sharper than I will ever be. What we once may have lumped into a category under the title of "that's what happens when you are elderly", we now look at and understand it is a disease and not everyone gets this disease. I should add that in the case of Parkinson's, I thought it was an elderly disease but then it is my understanding that Michael J. Fox has been diagnosed with Parkinson's. So, young people can get Parkinson's and I do not know about Alzheimer's to speak on the subject.

Anyway...the whole team can't have the same disease, can they? :crazy:

Thank you for this thread. A lot of information is coming in, I had to read this page twice(last two days of posts for me)in conjunction with the news reports(thank you WS News Thread)to understand even remotely what is going on.

Thank you to TWA who blew my mind with the video's she posted re: JB and the evidence recovered from the Anthony home and the money trail video. A question was asked, "could the verdict be overturned on appeal because of how Jose was paid", because of where the funds came from? Then reading LambChop's take that Jose wants a message to get out that he is the type of atty that will do what it takes to get his client off or a lesser sentence. As I read that I thought about organized crime and gangsters and how they might be the type Jose wouldn't mind defending. And I thought, is that what he is up to? He is not trying to impress people like me...his tactics seem A-OK with ICA, so why not others? I guess we will see with the outcome of the trial.

I was so naive. I thought when it came to law, lawyers-that they of all people(next to LE)had to follow the rules/law. Has Jose Baez/his team broken the law or has he only violated ethics? TIA.

One more thing for now. A quote from RH that I had to post because it confirms for me my personal thoughts regarding Jose Baez. "Most law he cites pretty much goes against what he's arguing for." That sums up my experience of the defense team while following this case. :waitasec:
:cow:

Awesome post :toast:.... as to the bolded content:

I tried to make your point on the thread where we were discussing ineffective counsel. You make the same point so much better. :bowdown: Thank you! In the early 90's I worked for an attorney who did exactly what you mention in your post. :shocked2: He would throw himself under the bus to show his clients he'd do anything for them. He represented one of two-defendants in a high-profile DP case and after funds ran out he was paid with taxpayer money just like ICA. It didn't matter that he had to devote 2 entire years to nothing but this one case, because the increase in organized crime clients more than made up for it. This is why I think your point is dead on. JB has nothing to lose in this case - so long as he doesn't get disbarred. :scale: It is this motivation that I believe brings all the so-called "experts" like wolves to the prey. :dracula: They want to show defense atty's with deep pocket clients that they are the expert to hire. :snake: :thumb:
 
Awesome post :toast:.... as to the bolded content:

I tried to make your point on the thread where we were discussing ineffective counsel. You make the same point so much better. :bowdown: Thank you! In the early 90's I worked for an attorney who did exactly what you mention in your post. :shocked2: He would throw himself under the bus to show his clients he'd do anything for them. He represented one of two-defendants in a high-profile DP case and after funds ran out he was paid with taxpayer money just like ICA. It didn't matter that he had to devote 2 entire years to nothing but this one case, because the increase in organized crime clients more than made up for it. This is why I think your point is dead on. JB has nothing to lose in this case - so long as he doesn't get disbarred. :scale: It is this motivation that I believe brings all the so-called "experts" like wolves to the prey. :dracula: They want to show defense atty's with deep pocket clients that they are the expert to hire. :snake: :thumb:

If he represents a mobster he'll be sleeping with the fishes before the end of his first trial.
 
If he represents a mobster he'll be sleeping with the fishes before the end of his first trial.

Yeah... but the thing is, while mobsters may like lawyers from the more "ethically challenged" pool. They tend to preface that with wanting "GOOD ethically challenged" lawyers. And they really are what you would think of as "informed customers" when it comes to shopping for lawyers. They don't go cheap and they don't go cheesy. Even the lowest level street hood see JB coming a mile away and know to steer clear.

(PS the weird thing is the mob will almost never harm a lawyer. At least not one of theirs. The worst they will do to a lousy lawyer is see to it he never gets any work again... ever. Hmmm thinking on it some maybe JB should try and drum up a mob client or two :innocent:)
 
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