2011.04.06 Frye Hearing Thread

[wenwe4]

DS: reading from pages 37 regarding wrongful conviction based upon faulty science

 

[faefrost]

DCS is probably superb in her given area of practice. Deep detailed analysis of medical procedures, documentation and research. I honestly think if I was going after a health care provider or insurance company she is a lawyer I would want to have. But I don't think it is going over real well here.

 

[ZsaZsa]

i just pray LDb gets up to speak at some point- that would be the only redeeming thing about today's hearing. This is mind numbing so far.
I have to leave for an hour or so- what's the betting she'll still be droning on when I get back..?

 

[Aedrys]

Is this the new DT strategy? Drag out the hearings by recesses? Sheesh.

 

[gelfie68]

Wow, finally something relevant to Frye.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think she is asking about standards for smell analysis? Logan is saying no there are not.

 

[joypath]

I am so confused by DS......have no idea what point she is trying to make, unless her goal is too bore everyone into a coma or help JA get plenty of exercise up and down objecting.....she will totally lose a jury...jmo

IMHO: she's trying to get HHJP to accept this document
Strengthening Forensic Science in the United States:

A Path Forward


as the GOLD STANDARD for Frye...or EVERYTHING in science (specifically forensic science)


UMMMMMMMMM many of the members of AAFS consider the report a "jumping off point" to work within the fields of forensic science



PS: ASCP/CAP/NAME/ASCLD have some darn good guidelines & standards in place......aka evidenced via accreditation process, PT testing etc!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Judge wants to know WHEN Logan read the articles. Uh oh.

 

[wenwe4]

DS arguing Dr. Vass is not a chemist and her witness is.

HHBP: you didn't tell me when he read all of this.

 

[belle3]

judge wants to know when witness read and researched these articles before or after his being retained by defense.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Uh oh..............me thinks DT is about to yack.

 

[nursebeeme]

DS: asks some confusing 25 word question that makes no sense to me

objection

DS: says ((sorry guys it was again so long I cannot translate))

HHJP: again schools DS on reading articles and when he did it

DS now says she will clarify this

DS asks a question if he did decomp research on pigs


logan says no! he worked with drugs!!! LOLOLOL

 

[Tulessa]

O>M>G. She's not getting anything right.

 

[karengo]

Does she know what he has done? She gets a lot of "no thats not correct" from dr logan

 

[Chiquita71]

Dsims is arguing that this witness is a expert and I think she said to the effect of "unlike dr. voss"

the judge is explaining to d sims what a expert is...he is curious as to when the dr read all that the judge just outlined he would need to be an expert.

dsims says okay and asks witness you are an expert in this way right?

witness says, well, that's not exactly right...

d. sims is asking about what tests he has done with pigs and odor analysis...

witness is speaking of testifying last week and what he read.

HHJP wants to know when he read them.

witness is saying when and some was in prep for trial.

 

[Marina2]

HHJP wants to know just when Logan became an expert. Did he read articles after his involvement in the case or before. There's a difference HHJB states.

 

[cindysnow3]

Uhmmmm... Reading and actually doing the studies are way different.

 

[wenwe4]

BL: I have not done decomp in pigs or humans
DS you have read dr. strapan . . . articles?
BL I read that and one by Hoffman and one by Forbes - I read just after Vass 2008 came out and the others just before this trial.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

DS arguing Dr. Vass is not a chemist and her witness is.

HHBP: you didn't tell me when he read all of this.

I think he just resolved this for he only tested for chemicl analysis not decomp.....he's out...he can't be deemed an expert for just reading articles...how does this make him an expert...Dr. Vass when it came out, the others when he came on this case...so he is definately not an expert or can be deemed an expert in the field of decomp...JMHO'

 

[belle3]

logan reached his conclusion for his opinion after her read articles specifically in reference to this trial