A different Lens? Your thoughts?

[wondering1]

I think different lens means how the crime could have been committed with an accomplice(s). Everything changes if TH had help. She would need less time to complete the deed (whether a hand-off or worse), she could more easily have established an allibi, she could have been in two places at once (not literally..but you get my idea), etc.

I suspect it also changed their perceptions of what actually happened to K and whether he is alive or not. It is hard enough to believe that TH could have convinced DS to assist in the murder of an innocent child. But to have convinced others to help, whether by lying, buying cell phones, etc. is just incredulous. The only way it makes sense that others would be willing to help...and this is a real stretch...is if she convinced them that Kyron would be better off away from Kaine and they helped her hide him. But that is also borderline unbelievable. I just can't understand why her friends thought it was a good idea to help her escape police scrutiny. These are "normal" law-abiding people in their day to day lives, or so they seem. Who in their right mind would not encourage TH to get a good lawyer and cooperate fully with the police? Isn't that always the right thing to do, especially if you think your friend is innocent???

and also the significance of who was parked at the school and where. jmoo

 

[BeanE]

:crazy:
Innocent of what?
What about the Murder-for-Hire allegations? :banghead:

MFH is only he said/she said at this point, complete with a failed sting in which Terri did what an innocent person would do - she called 911.

 

[Emeralgem]

MFH is only he said/she said at this point, complete with a failed sting in which Terri did what an innocent person would do - she called 911.

IMHO.. There are many words that can be associated with TMH and her actions, innocent is not one of them...JMHOOTS

 

[Etilema]

I only heard Terri's name mentioned twice. Towards the very beginning, the DA said something about 'Kaine Horman's truck which was driven to the school by Terri Horman'.

Then towards the very end, in the Q&A session, a reporter asked Captain Gates something about Terri - I think it was about parking at Fred Meyers - and he said 'I'm not going to talk about Terri Horman today.'

The entire press conference was focused on the truck and locations it might have been seen, any persons who might have been seen in its vicinity, and any parents who parked their car in the south side parking lot.

Full raw press conference video Wednesday, August 11, 2010:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862...deo_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html&medium=8862580

When the very first sentence out of his mouth included a carefully and clearly annunciated "KAINE HORMAN", and looking for information about, my heart did a flip, because I thought for a second they were going to say that he was somehow under scrutiny and they were looking for information about him.

 

[IBsleuthin]

:crazy:
Innocent of what?
What about the Murder-for-Hire allegations? :banghead:

Well, innocent of what we all have been discussing she may be guilty of for the last how many weeks. Innocent of criminal wrong-doing. Innocent of the disappearance of Kyron Horman. Innocent of the murder for hire.

:truce:

 

[Emma Peel]

MFH is only he said/she said at this point, complete with a failed sting in which Terri did what an innocent person would do - she called 911.

MFH LS, per news reports, testified at GJ late this week. I wonder what he talked about that would have interested the GJ, if not the MFH request from Terri? Do you think it was a sexting GJ?

(if so, then ick for the GJ )

 

[BeanE]

MFH LS, per news reports, testified at GJ late this week. I wonder what he talked about that would have interested the GJ, if not the MFH request from Terri? Do you think it was a sexting GJ?

(if so, then ick for the GJ )

He may well have testified that Terri asked him to off Kaine (whether the GJ was sexting during the testimony or not). It's still he said/she said.

I also know that there is nobody at a GJ to refute a witness's testimony, or to impeach a witness, such as a defense attorney. The grand jurors may ask questions if they wish. It's just not an adversarial process or procedure. The grand jurors may choose not to question a witness at all.

Because I testify at a GJ that Emma Peel asked me to go off topic on WS on a certain day, doesn't make it true... or untrue... It just makes it a she said/she said thang, with me having sworn to tell the truth, and Emma with no opportunity to show that damning PM in which *I* asked *her* to go off topic.

 

[Wrinkles]

Back on topic in a sec but...

Well, I can't quite agree with the MFH thang as being merely a he said/she said deal.

Seems there is an "LE said" (probable cause), seems there is info that a "sexter guy" was approached in the same fashion as the MFH guy (perhaps part of the "probable cause" flank of info -- gonna bet there is proof of the approach), seems there is a "judge said" in terms of a judge buying into a probable cause and signing off on an RO (most probably with proofs, can't imagine a judge is just going to buy a husband accusing)...

There also does not seem to be a "she said she never...MFH," but rather a phone call to 911 during a sting that proves nothing to me in terms of her saying "I did not!" There was at least one investigator in a news article that said something like, "you know this, you try a sting, but it may not work to bust them that time, you keep working on things." One foiled sting (I would never call this a "botched" sting, but a "foiled" sting) means nada -- investigators work with that all the time, criminals -- as we have all seen -- can be slippery... Doesn't mean you "have" a criminal (doesn't mean you don't), but I can't imagine really putting out the energy and expense without being fairly right on the bead. Could happen...but well, until someone flips up the evidence....

There IS on the other hand a desire by TH to abate the divorce -- now just why is that? (don't want to get things out on the table about the pertinents?)

There IS on the other hand a "no fight" for custody/visitation for Kitty -- woah!

Nah...this seems to me to be a "he was clueless/then they said/then he said/then the judge said//and then she called 911 and never said/then her attorney never said/and then they never fought against so powerful a charge" Has her attorney ever stated, "We will stand against this clearly ridiculous MFH thing!!" Not that I can recall. Can anyone else? Nopers, but he did say something about a witch hunt -- oh but we don't want to be guilty of witch hunts (put the guilt on those watching -- figures!), no no no...nevertheless ain't nobody forcing information out onto the table to make sure that everyone knows this MFH is all purely hogwash -- so where is this defense attorney? Well maybe there "ain't" no hogwash OR witch hunt. Maybe people are saying, "Look, we want to believe the best, give us what we need" (and they CANNOT!)

I'm on the "Go figger" part of this, but certainly can't say this is he said/she said.

BACK ON THREAD: DIFFERENT LENS
Ever seen one of those crazy mind bogglers (internet graphics) where this little character is spinning one way, then if you stare at it long enough, or squint your eyes or blink you can see it spinning the other all of a sudden, then you can do so again and it again spins the other? Ever seen one of those photos that if you stare at it long enough you see the hidden figures? Different timing in the exposure of the lens of the eye, different brain filter, more info factored in (okay BLINK!)...

Remember in this case, there was a photo (maybe in the classroom), there was a person there...could hardly see them, then suddenly someone did a "close up" kinda lens...woah...you could see them fairly clearly. Maybe you put a lens on that "enlarges" or "zooms in" or "filters out the snow" ... CLEAR

 

[Emma Peel]

He may well have testified that Terri asked him to off Kaine (whether the GJ was sexting during the testimony or not). It's still he said/she said.

I also know that there is nobody at a GJ to refute a witness's testimony, or to impeach a witness, such as a defense attorney. The grand jurors may ask questions if they wish. It's just not an adversarial process or procedure. The grand jurors may choose not to question a witness at all.

Because I testify at a GJ that Emma Peel asked me to go off topic on WS on a certain day, doesn't make it true... or untrue... It just makes it a she said/she said thang, with me having sworn to tell the truth, and Emma with no opportunity to show that damning PM in which *I* asked *her* to go off topic.

Maybe so, BeanE, but don't forget, I gave LE all those texts you sent me. The sexts too. And trust me, they were WAAAAAAY off-topic.

 

[Sherbie]

I haven't seen it stated by LE or sources in MSM that all they have is "he said" for evidence. Since LE doesn't talk publicly about their evidence, it could just as well be that they have something more but wanted to try to get a confession of sorts with the sting as well. Although it's possible they may have only his word, I don't think we can just assume that.

 

[IBsleuthin]

Can you provide a link to the news articles where comments are indicating change in the wind?

It would be interesting to see what locals might be discussing along these lines. I am trying to understand how it's possible, within three days of the MFH Landscaper testifying before the GJ, Terri could be perceived as not having a serious MFH problem outstanding...

Thanks.

(BBM)

I think the key word you have used here is PERCEIVED. Perception is such an individual thing. Here you have indicated that having the MFH LS testify is a 'problem outstanding' for TH. I see it as simply getting him in there to testify, to get to the brass tacks of the situation.

A LOT can happen in three days including the change in public opinion after yet another PC by the MCSO in which basically NOTHING was accomplished, AGAIN.

 

[cypress]

I'm not sure Landscaper has sexts from Terri. The first time we heard anything about that was conveniently after MC.

IIRC, initially, Landscaper said Terri wanted him to kill Kaine in exchange for something, but if they'd been sexting, wouldn't she have already, um, have given him something?

:shakes head:

 

[Emma Peel]

IB, I'm confused...what point of view would that be? :waitasec:

She shares the point of view of many right here!

Well, yes, it would need to be the view from the fence. :rolling:

There are fence sitters everywhere, I agree.

I'll admit I'm the box jump sort of fence sitter. It's just in my nature to argue both sides with myself. :crazy:

If anyone here cares to listen & help me think, well, that's just a bonus! :grouphug:

 

[IBsleuthin]

Here's something to fill that different lens they are looking through;

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...AAIBAJ&pg=6815,7923623&dq=stacy-wilmoth&hl=en

This little girl was abducted from West Gresham Elementary which is located in nearly the identical distance from Portland to the east as Skyline is to the west.

There ARE other possibilities.

There DOES need to be A DIFFERENT LENS. Or they are going to miss it.

The person who abducted Stacy from her elementary school WAS NEVER FOUND AND IS STILL OUT THERE.

 

[BeanE]

Maybe so, BeanE, but don't forget, I gave LE all those texts you sent me. The sexts too. And trust me, they were WAAAAAAY off-topic.

:floorlaugh:

 

[BeanE]

I'm not sure Landscaper has sexts from Terri. The first time we heard anything about that was conveniently after MC.

IIRC, initially, Landscaper said Terri wanted him to kill Kaine in exchange for something, but if they'd been sexting, wouldn't she have already, um, have given him something?

:shakes head:

BBM. Me either. The only place I've seen anything about Landscaper sexts from Terri is in posts here on WS.

What I saw in a legal document is sexual overtures and relationship concerns, with no specification of how those overtures and concerns were communicated. Coulda been by smoke signals for all we know.

 

[Wrinkles]

Teehee BeanE,

You gave me a good laugh on the smoke signals thing I'll bet there were some smoking eyes at the very least. Looking through smoking eyes could have changed the lenses at one point in time, I might guess.

In refreshing our minds... Yeah, what there was at this article and in reference to this contempt document:

>>Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman&#8217;s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman&#8217;s &#8220;stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).&#8221;<<

The actual text mentioning the "sexting" and "photos" stuff is in Item #13 of the document (on p. 10 here.) Item #14 on the next page (p. 11) mentions the above about "relationship concerns" and "sexual overtures" and "resemble."

About that resembling of "overtures," I suppose it could have been the same kind of "smoke signals" -- I mean MC's eyes could have started smoking and nearly gone up in flames reading some of the sexts and seeing some of the photos "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." AND then...the "overture" -- I wonder if we'll hear the melody in court if it ever goes there? I might guess that if/when they start to play it some people will find themselves clasping their ears and break into lalalalalala. Smoking tunes...

 

[BeanE]

Teehee BeanE,

You gave me a good laugh on the smoke signals thing I'll bet there were some smoking eyes at the very least. Looking through smoking eyes could have changed the lenses at one point in time, I might guess.

In refreshing our minds... Yeah, what there was at this article and in reference to this contempt document:

>>Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including &#8220;hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.&#8221;

Kaine Horman&#8217;s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman&#8217;s &#8220;stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).&#8221;<<

The actual text mentioning the "sexting" and "photos" stuff is in Item #13 of the document (on p. 10 here.) Item #14 on the next page (p. 11) mentions the above about "relationship concerns" and "sexual overtures" and "resemble."

About that resembling of "overtures," I suppose it could have been the same kind of "smoke signals" -- I mean MC's eyes could have started smoking and nearly gone up in flames reading some of the sexts and seeing some of the photos "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." AND then...the "overture" -- I wonder if we'll hear the melody in court if it ever goes there? I might guess that if/when they start to play it some people will find themselves clasping their ears and break into lalalalalala. Smoking tunes...

Dear God I hope they don't show the pictures...

I'm aware that some people are of the opinion that that document indicates there are sexts between the landscaper and Terri, however, my opinion is that the document does not clearly indicate that. I'm waiting for confirmation.

 

[froginTtown]

Teehee BeanE,

You gave me a good laugh on the smoke signals thing I'll bet there were some smoking eyes at the very least. Looking through smoking eyes could have changed the lenses at one point in time, I might guess.

In refreshing our minds... Yeah, what there was at this article and in reference to this contempt document:

>>Kaine Horman said in the filing that Cook has provided investigators with information about his relationship with Terri Horman, including “hundreds of text messages as well as several photographs of (Terri Horman) in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity.”

Kaine Horman’s attorney said in the filing that Terri Horman’s “stated personal relationship concerns and sexual overtures to Mr. Cook resemble those made to the man (Terri Horman) previously attempted to hire to murder (Kaine Horman).”<<

The actual text mentioning the "sexting" and "photos" stuff is in Item #13 of the document (on p. 10 here.) Item #14 on the next page (p. 11) mentions the above about "relationship concerns" and "sexual overtures" and "resemble."

About that resembling of "overtures," I suppose it could have been the same kind of "smoke signals" -- I mean MC's eyes could have started smoking and nearly gone up in flames reading some of the sexts and seeing some of the photos "in various stages of undress and graphic sexual activity." AND then...the "overture" -- I wonder if we'll hear the melody in court if it ever goes there? I might guess that if/when they start to play it some people will find themselves clasping their ears and break into lalalalalala. Smoking tunes...

Well. thanks for that "layout" of info.... My stomach is now quivering.. and I only got half my breakfast down...!! :sick:

 

[angelainwi]

Not sure where to post this.

Beaverton teen assaulted picking berries at park

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...g-berries-at-park/I3Zvs21AhUmQJYvcWALs4w.cspx