Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[minor4th]

And it’s the way it was brought up that bugs me personally, the P knew they hadn’t given it to the D and yet they intentionally mentioned it, which is not ok and can’t be unheard or undone-

I wish the whole investigation and case pretrial had been better and obvious that due process had been followed to a tee- but lost leads sheets, cleared leads, lost interviews, the appearance of bias, the severity of the pretrial conditions, the judge’s possible bias, etc whether intentional or not- real or imagined- could create doubt as to the integrity of the investigation and the trial -

And this has nothing to do with if I think RA is guilty or not- or how I explain certain evidence or not- and everything to do with due process and innocent until proven guilty BARD- it would be concerning to me as a juror- moo

Exactly!

 

[Ravenmoon]

I think these phone calls are very sad. RA didn’t know up from down. These are certainly not reliable “confessions.” The guy was literally losing his mind - not knowing what’s real and what’s not. IMO

It's also super sad that 2 young girls were brutally murdered.

The confessions are probably pretty sad as well.

But, RA losing his mind could be explained by the fact that he was overcome by guilt while being forced into sobriety, couldn't it?

While I don't believe that we have absolute proof that he is an alcoholic, it seems quite probable.

Anyone that has seen a person withdrawal from alcohol knows that it is an ugly, overwhelming display.

I just hope that we are not forgetting that addiction never excuses violence.

JMO

 

[Salah11]

I don’t know what’s on the video, but if it’s just him yelling at a guard and threatening to kill him, then no it shouldn’t be allowed. It really has no probate value.

Apart from it shows how he can turn violent at a drop of a hat.

IMO

 

[BUF]

Judge Gull enters the courtroom and says she has viewed the video. Rozzi objects, Gull says she is sustaining the objection and the video will not be shown to the jury for now.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

Maybe the prosecution will be able to show this in their rebuttal?

 

[minor4th]

Apart from it shows how he can turn violent at a drop of a hat.

IMO

That kind of evidence is usually not allowed.

 

[MerBeach]

I still don't think he has a conscience. I think he was concerned about what his wife thought of him rather than concern for his wife.

If something tells me differently, I'll change my mind, but that's how I'm reading him at the moment.

jmopinion

I agree with you.

I feel he seems like a malignant narcissist. He’s extremely self centered and manipulative. I feel that he’s used the tactic of getting people to feel sorry for him throughout his life. He cares what his wife thinks of him, but doesn’t actually care about her. He wants to maintain control.

 

[Ravenmoon]

That kind of evidence is usually not allowed.

Are they allowed to question guards or attendees who witnessed abrupt violent outbursts?
Like character witnesses?

 

[AugustWest]

Apart from it shows how he can turn violent at a drop of a hat.

IMO

Rule 404. Character Evidence; Other Crimes, Wrongs, or Acts

www.law.cornell.edu

character evidence

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Melted]

This proves RA is perfectly sane like many of us questioning these lawyers:
Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

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He quite literally says that he is losing his mind in that quote you posted, how does that prove he’s perfectly sane?

 

[minor4th]

Are they allowed to question guards or attendees who witnessed abrupt violent outbursts?
Like character witnesses?

Generally, character evidence is not admissible against a criminal defendant.

 

[vinayd]

He quite literally says that he is losing his mind in that quote you posted, how does that prove he’s perfectly sane?

Because I believe KA followed up with she is too or we all are.
ETA:



Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

 

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Fine.

If I'm understanding correctly, this video was taken in recent days, is that right? If so, the prosecution had a case prepared without it. It's not necessary. (It's interesting, though!)

Move on.

jmo

 

[Salah11]

If he was as crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

 

[Mitch1]

If he was as off his crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

Probably bc the defense believes he is innocent and I believe pleading insanity is insanity during commission of the crime committed.

 

[otto]

Regarding the psychologist Dr. Wala describing RA as "selfless" in relation to his wife ...

"Our research, published this week, found threats of self-harm and suicide were a tactic of coercive control men used against female partners.

Together with other forms of physical, emotional, economic and psychological controlling behaviour, threats of self-harm and suicide were intended to instil fear and exert power over women."

Perpetrators of family violence sometimes use threats of suicide to control their partner

New research shows how threats of self-harm and suicide are a tactic of coercive control men use against female partners.

theconversation.com

 

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That seems a correct ruling.
I am missing HUGE portions of this trial, but I still don't understand what they were introducing it for. It could be used in rebuttal depending on what the Defense puts up, but this was in the prosecution's case in chief. No way it would come in. I don't understand why they were trying. And why was the video not disclosed? The prosecution has a good case, why make these kinds of errors?

 

[minor4th]

If he was as off his crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

Because that would require an admission that he committed the crimes.

 

[BUF]

If he was as off his crazy as he claims why have the defense never tried to pled insanity?

In Indiana, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was mentally ill at the time of committing the act for which they are accused in order for the insanity plea to be successful.

 

[MiniMoo]

He quite literally says that he is losing his mind in that quote you posted, how does that prove he’s perfectly sane?

He says it a few times - it seems.

To me it comes across as someone that is not in a good way and kind of desperate.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Melted]

Because I believe KA followed up with she is too or we all are.
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Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

How does Kathy Allen saying that negate what Richard Allen said about losing his mind?

I think the prosecutions case has made it very clear that Richard Allen was suffering from psychosis and the defense hasn’t even put their case on.

Using Richard Allen’s words of “I’m loosing my mind” to prove he’s sane is a weird reach imo