Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

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Of all the rumors over the many years of the investigation, that's certainly a strange one for RA to decide to run with. Such a minor rumor that most people weren't even aware of, had the wrong timeframe, and according to Harshman wasn't in discovery. He just happens to pick the one rumor that solidly corroborates his confession, as well as choosing to confess to using a murder weapon that wasn't even considered by police, but the ME discovered is consistent with both types of wound patterns present at the scene.

I think RA has outdone Scott as the most unlucky man at this point.

Just my opinion, of course.
Understand what you are saying but I highly doubt a van was not mentioned in discovery, and if it wasn’t in discovery the question would then be why? If they’ve had Brad webers testimony about arriving in his van since 2017 it should have been turned over to the defense, unless of course it was recently discovered….
 
Nutshell: AB legal attempts to have all court records made public (including video, audio, stenographic recording).
And, Judge Gull has made various mistakes regarding public access.

jmo

I posted this link earlier today on the "White Van". Indy Star (MSM) reports it was "white van" used in Dr. Wala's report. Would her report be part of the evidence that is able to be viewed by the media (MSM) post session?

The large headline below is theirs, not mine.

Richard Allen said he saw a white van near the trail when he kidnapped the girls, psychologist's report shows​


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Please, please let the horse cult in.
It will hurt the defendant in the long run. The jurors will see through such a ridiculous claim, and it will perhaps show guilt?

When defense has nothing to defend their client, strategy will always be a conspiracy, cult, insanity, gaslighting, self-defense (if applicable), a lot of creative and analytical thinking, etc. moo
 
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Understand what you are saying but I highly doubt a van was not mentioned in discovery, and if it wasn’t in discovery the question would then be why? If they’ve had Brad webers testimony about arriving in his van since 2017 it should have been turned over to the defense, unless of course it was recently discovered….
IMO, what if that discovery doesn't mention a vehicle type or colour?

What if they questioned him on what time he got home, his whereabouts etc? But never asked what type of vehicle he drove? Why would they really?

Then when Allen confesses to being interrupted by the van, LE goes back and asks BW what type of vehicle he drove that day? Defence has many things 'not in doscovery' that were later found to actually be 'in their discovery'.

BINGO. IMO.
 
Same one where she talks about BW aka "Meth Mouth"??
No, that was yesterday's stream, starts around 3:30:00. Says how the witness "could have been out of Deliverance" and laughs about how she's seen a lot of meth mouth and he totally has meth mouth.


No commentary on what she said, just sharing the statements of this verified source in her livestream.
 
IMO, what if that discovery doesn't mention a vehicle type or colour?

What if they questioned him on what time he got home, his whereabouts etc? But never asked what type of vehicle he drove? Why would they really?

Then when Allen confesses to being interrupted by the van, LE goes back and asks BW what type of vehicle he drove that day? Defence has many things 'not in doscovery' that wer later found to actually be 'in their discovery'.

BINGO. IMO.
Definitely a possibility
 
Is this a crazy theory?

I was wondering if Libby and Abby had a toxicology report done (which I cannot find the answer to)
As Richard Allen worked in a pharmacy is it possible the girls were drugged or sedated, hence the lack of defensive wounds or signs of restraint? Could that also explain why BG may have spent an extended period of time over the creek before leaving? possibly waiting for something to take effect or had knowledge of how long the effects of something would last etc?

Just MOO
Tox screen was mentioned as being done during the autopsy but in passing. I think if they'd found something we'd know about it, all MOO
 
The defense can call him to testify without naming him as a SODDI
My thinking is they don't need to name a specific person as SODI just cast the thought that others had the opportunity. Prosecution has already done the job for defense of not tying RA to the crime through DNa and bullet testing and the admittance of the actual video and set the stage by their own witnesses that the confessions could have occurred because of RA's psychosis.
 
I posted this link earlier today on the "White Van". Indy Star (MSM) reports it was "white van" used in Dr. Wala's report. Would her report be part of the evidence that is able to be viewed by the media (MSM) post session?

The large headline below is theirs, not mine.



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If Dr Wala's report was admitted as evidence, it becomes part of the "record", so I would assume the answer would be "yes". However, that's just my no-legal-background guess. ETA: There's that pesky 703 hearsay rule, I don't know. (lol)

jmo

ETA: My legal knowledge only really qualifies me to wear some type chapeau and spout things like, "Subject matter jurisdiction", "And why not? What is positraction?", and other stuff I googled.
 
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The bottom line is the only person who knows (Besides Weber) a van was driving by right after "BG" abducted Abby and Libby off of that bridge mere minutes before, is Richard Allen.

BG=RA=GUILTY.
 
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10:35 A.M: COURT IS IN SESSION FOR FRIDAY.​

At 9:01 a.m. the jury entered the courtroom and court is back in session. Judge gull tells defense attorney Brad Rozzi that they will chat about his motions he’s filed on transports during the lunch break.

Gull says the jury has once again had supervised contact with their electronic devices.

The defense calls Christopher Gootee and the state immediately calls for a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 9 minutes.

Gootee tells the jury he is a Hammond, Ind. police officer and has background as an EMT. He says he has training in interviewing witnesses and suspects.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asks him about the importance of correctly documenting interviews. Gootee says he was with an FBI gang response task force or GRIT. They focused on kidnappings.

Gootee tells the jury that GRIT assisted with the Delphi investigation by canvassing neighborhoods and conducting interviews. He says he worked on the investigation for over a week.

Gootee says he spoke to Brad Weber during the investigation. Auger asks Gootee what Weber said about where he went after work on February 13, 2017.

Auger asks Gootee what an FBI 302 is, Gootee says it is a report from an interview. Auger shows him an exhibit, which is an FBI 302 report from his interview with Weber.

Gootee says he spoke to Weber on Feb. 19, 2017. He tells the jury that he doesn’t know what Weber said, despite looking at his own report. Auger finishes her questions, the state does not cross-examine.

 
Let's say there was talk of a van on rumor boards years ago...

The bottom line is the only person who knows (Besides Weber) a van was driving by right after "BG" abducted Abby and Libby off of that bridge mere minutes before, is Richard Allen.

BG=RA=GUILTY.
My thought is it will be which side puts together the best time line that is clear for the jury. If anything this case has been very confusing because everything relies on date and time and without the ability to access everything almost impossible to put together. The crime, who all was where when, the onset of psychosis, the confessions....my thought is prosecutions tactic was to not focus on a timeline to blur any inconsistencies. Defense's might be the emphasize a timeline if they have conflicting time evidence. I'm one of the small minority who chooses "don't know" everyday in the survey LOL. I need to hear the defense case to get off the proverbial fence. My hope is Angela's appeal to the Supreme Court in Indiana prevails and quickly so we can have all the facts of the trial in front of us that the jury will be aware of.
 
Did they confirm whether a toxicology report was conducted on both Abby and Libby?
If one was done, for some reason, it wasn’t mentioned by the state. So if it was done, it may not have offered any insight into the case but I still would have liked to have known it was at least done. Mooo. Other things were also curiously not mentioned by the state: eg: stomach contents. Why not? Is it usual to not include this information in a trial? This is not moo, these are questions.
 

10:35 A.M: COURT IS IN SESSION FOR FRIDAY.​

At 9:01 a.m. the jury entered the courtroom and court is back in session. Judge gull tells defense attorney Brad Rozzi that they will chat about his motions he’s filed on transports during the lunch break.

Gull says the jury has once again had supervised contact with their electronic devices.

The defense calls Christopher Gootee and the state immediately calls for a sidebar. The sidebar lasts 9 minutes.

Gootee tells the jury he is a Hammond, Ind. police officer and has background as an EMT. He says he has training in interviewing witnesses and suspects.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asks him about the importance of correctly documenting interviews. Gootee says he was with an FBI gang response task force or GRIT. They focused on kidnappings.

Gootee tells the jury that GRIT assisted with the Delphi investigation by canvassing neighborhoods and conducting interviews. He says he worked on the investigation for over a week.

Gootee says he spoke to Brad Weber during the investigation. Auger asks Gootee what Weber said about where he went after work on February 13, 2017.

Auger asks Gootee what an FBI 302 is, Gootee says it is a report from an interview. Auger shows him an exhibit, which is an FBI 302 report from his interview with Weber.

Gootee says he spoke to Weber on Feb. 19, 2017. He tells the jury that he doesn’t know what Weber said, despite looking at his own report. Auger finishes her questions, the state does not cross-examine.

What the heck. He "doesn't" remember despite looking at his report. What is going on here. Again the snippets make me crazy.
 
From recap of testimony, the confession did not indicate the color of van. During trial testimony, LE and BW described the van as being white in color. The white color of BW’s van he claimed to have driven during the time of girls abduction has since been included in media and social media statements, somewhat misleading as the verbiage relayed by the Dr Wala on confession of RA does not include a descriptive color of van.
Such a small detail for them to have slipped in. It’s easy to see how people may wrongfully attribute it to RA as part of his “confessions”. Mooo.
 
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The bottom line is the only person who knows (Besides Weber) a van was driving by right after "BG" abducted Abby and Libby off of that bridge mere minutes before, is Richard Allen.

BG=RA=GUILTY.
Or RA was psyhotic and we can't believe in the confessions or he was lucid and had time enough to read the huge discovery, found a minor detail (that isn't even in the discovery according to the witness but ok..) and gave a perfect confession and corrected the timeline making all pieces of the crime fit and made perfect sense - a perfect piece that only the killer would know. The D can't have the both ways IMO.

So, IMO he said that about the van because he is the killer.
 
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In one of his confessions, he said in part that the bullet they found must have come from his gun when he "did something with his gun" up on the bridge, I believe this was when he first allegedly spoke to the girls. His theory supports the people who listened to the audio and thought they heard a gun being racked. But the bullet (or more accurate term is cartridge?) that they found was not found up on the bridge where he would have been when he first spoke to the girls allegedly. It was found down below at "ground zero" crime scene, near the bodies. There's no way for the one found down below to have been the one that may have been ejected up on the bridge. So if he's correct that one was ejected when he did something with his gun up on the bridge, and we know there definitely was one found near the bodies, that would mean there were 2 bullets ejected that day. So there may still be one that has yet to be found.

I wonder if RA knows exactly where the one was found, if he knows it was not found near the spot on the bridge where he was when he did something with his gun. Sounds like not, imo. But surely the details of where they found it would have been included in the reading material he was provided with. Maybe he just didn't take note of that. But he said he recalled doing something with his gun and that must have been when one was ejected and that, according to him, was how they ended up finding a bullet from his gun. But we know the bullet they found was found near the bodies. So it seems odd that he didn't recall doing something again with his gun, later, after they crossed the creek. Or if he did, odd that he didn't mention that time.

I think someone should go with a metal detector and search the spot up on the bridge.
I think if someone did that now, and found a bullet there at all, it would be too late to try to get it admitted into evidence etc. moo. But you made me wonder, what sort of investigation was conducted if any at the bridge or along the supposed route to the crime scene specific to metal? Eg; did they use metal detectors along the supposed route to try to find any other bullets or metal that may have been used? If not, why not? Moooooo.
 
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