Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[ClearAhead]

What are “pool notes” and why aren’t they answered? TIA

Just guessing, it’s an information transmission system to port various reporters notes from the courthouse during lunch and at the end of the day for input into wishTv news reports.

 

[detectivewannab]

Or like in Murdaugh, where the defense did not have their experts write reports so they wouldn't have to turn them over as discovery to the prosecution before trial. I hope that's not what happened here, because I think Baldwin and Rozzi are better than Harpootlian.

Slick like Cochran.

 

[FrostedGlass]

One of the talking lawyers mentioned that people were migrating to the defense side and leaving open seats on the prosecution side...take it as a grain of salt - could be anything since we aren't there.

That's interesting. My understanding is the families each have an allotted number of seats and the same for the defense and prosecution. Then the press has a number and the rest is for the public. I assume it's the public seats that are being vacated.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Careful, you might wind up being the original source for this new rumor.

It’s all very odd either way. No more steps after 2:32 (? IIRC) but getting plugged into something well after the State’s own timeline has them deceased.

Oh no! It’s not new -posters have claimed in on threads..
Maybe I should delete it? Ugh.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Based on more detailed reporting, I'm thinking you are spot on:

Plugging the phone in prevented sound from coming out of the device, Eldridge said, and there was an unanswered incoming call milliseconds before the cable was inserted.

New details about Libby's phone and the impact of isolation: What defense revealed to jurors

Jurors in the trial of Richard Allen heard from a parade of experts whose testimonies are meant to challenge some of the state's strongest evidence.

www.indystar.com

From the article.

During cross-examination by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Eldridge acknowledged that she had not previously done extraction analysis of cellphones. McLeland also noted that Libby's phone likely went in and out of service without ever being moved. He asked if its realistic explanation that the phone simply came back to service at 4:33 a.m., when the phone received several text messages from friends and family members.

"That could be a likely explanation," Eldridge said.

 

[Schatz]

Oh no! It’s not new -posters have claimed in on threads..
Maybe I should delete it? Ugh.

Nah, don’t. I was teasing. I hadn’t considered the idea until I saw your post, though, and immediately I thought, “Yes - possible!” I’ve helped a few people in my time move image files over to computers from their phones using their phone cords.

 

[dalsglen]

I chuckled cause he considers himself a "tool".

I'm not even gonna lie, I'm 38 and that's an insult we called each other a good 25-30 years ago. Made me chuckle too. Tool, indeed.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Boom!!! BAM!!! That's right!

I always feel better when we get a Boom!!! Bam!!! from you!

 

[Warwick7]

From the article.

During cross-examination by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Eldridge acknowledged that she had not previously done extraction analysis of cellphones. McLeland also noted that Libby's phone likely went in and out of service without ever being moved. He asked if its realistic explanation that the phone simply came back to service at 4:33 a.m., when the phone received several text messages from friends and family members.

"That could be a likely explanation," Eldridge said.

Another BAM!!!!!
Yes!!!

 

[mrjitty]

This is insanity. It was clearly from water damage. What is the defense’s theory, that they kidnapped two girls for a ritual sacrifice and decided to listen to some of their music on the drive? I sincerely hope the prosecution is able to cross effectively on this, because the entire scenario is just absolutely ridiculous.

JMO

Dr Wala was there listening to podcasts?

j/k

 

[ClearAhead]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

Judge Gull calls for a sidebar after the prosecution says they had not examined an exhibit showing Eldridge’s report on Libby’s phone’s database. First they say they have not examined the exhibit, then say they have no objection.

Eldridge leaves the witness stand and goes to a screen showing the report. She explains many of the columns and rows, the reporter describes the exhibit as similar to an Excel spreadsheet.

Eldridge says she generally agrees with the state expert’s examination of the timeline of Libby’s phone but there are things she does not agree with.

She says she does not agree with some of the times, some of the texts, calls and facetimes that were delivered between Feb. 13 and Feb. 14.

Eldridge tells the jury there were times on the 13th and the 14th that the phone was not connected to a cell tower. She says the last time it connected on the 13th was at 5:45 p.m. and reconnected at 4:33 a.m. on the 14th.

She tells the jury she reviewed cell phone pings from AT&T. She shows AT&T historical precision location logs. The state objects and points out that Eldridge does not have training on the network capability in Carroll County. They say the log isn’t complete and Eldridge is not qualified.

Defense attorney Jennifer Auger says the page admitted into evidence is the one pertinent to the investigation, but there are several hundred more.

Gull admits the exhibit over the state’s objection.

Eldridge says Libby’s phone last connection time was Feb. 14 at 4:33 a.m. and before that, 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13.

She says the phone was not using date in between those times. Cecil’s report said there were messages coming through during that time frame. Eldridge says there is evidence that the phone did not have messages delivered in between those times.

Eldridge says that some of those messages did have time stamps in between the two times, but they weren’t delivered. She says voicemails between the two times were not delivered until Feb. 17.

 

[ClearAhead]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

Auger asks Eldridge to explain what a ‘ping’ is. She says it is a technical way to have one device see if another device is there. She says AT&T is repeatedly trying to ping Libby’s phone after 5:44 p.m. on Feb. 13, but is not successful until 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.

Eldridge says she doesn’t know why the phone did not ping in that time frame, even though it was under Abby’s back and was stationary. She says “I can only conclude something external happened to the phone.” That it could have been moved, blocked by metal or have been blocked from the tower.

Eldridge is asked about the phone’s health data. She says she agrees with what Cecil found about the data on the steps. She says iPhones will not log steps if you are in a car or if the phone is powered off.

Eldridge says she now knows that at 5:45:44 p.m. on Feb 13. to 10:32 p.m. that night that the phone had wired headphones plugged in. She demonstrates headphones being plugged into an iPhone 6S.

She says it could also have been an auxiliary cord for a car that was plugged into the phone. “I cannot think of any explanation that does not involve humans,” she tells the jury.

 

[TristanP]

This is insanity. It was clearly from water damage. What is the defense’s theory, that they kidnapped two girls for a ritual sacrifice and decided to listen to some of their music on the drive? I sincerely hope the prosecution is able to cross effectively on this, because the entire scenario is just absolutely ridiculous.

JMO

Can you please direct me to the testimony about Libby's phone being water damaged?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Bringing this article over from the last thread

I'm confused. The expert has NOT seen any evidence, including the gun or bullet?

So what was this expert testifying about?

"Warren said he didn't need the bullet or the gun when conducting his part of the investigation."

(...)

"Warren noted that he has not seen any of the evidence in the case."

Analyst says someone plugged headphones into Libby's phone before girls' bodies were found | Day 16 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Yes.
He didn’t need the bullet or gun because he didn’t need those to get paid to say what the defense is paying him to say.


Just my opinion

 

[detectivewannab]

This very smart jury would never believe that bologna anyhow imo.

This trail proves that if you pay someone enough they will say anything or what the Baldwin wants them to say.

 

[MassGuy]

At 3:09 p.m. prosecutor Nick McLeland starts cross-examination. he asks Eldridge about her training on cell phone extraction. She says this is the first time she has testified about cell phone extraction, other than in July.

She tells the jury she got a “rough location” on where the bodies were found and where the phone was found. She says she did not go to the crime scene.

Eldridge says she did not review every bit on info gathered by Cecil and focused most on health data. She says she did review the bridge guy video and agreed with the video’s time stamp and GPS location. She says she did not examine it enough to know the GPS location changed four seconds into the video.

Eldridge explains that there has to be up and down movement to track motion by the phone, but still says the phone would not have logged it if it were in a car. She says she did not find evidence that the phone had been turned off.

She says the phone was in and out of service before 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13. She says it “could be an explanation” that Libby’s phone was just “hopping in and out of service and got service at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.”

McLeland asks Eldridge if the phone would have had to be moved to plug in headphones. He asks if it could have registered it in the health data. Eldridge says that could be the case, but she did not test that.

She says there also could have been a signal blocker, like metal in a building.

On re-direct Eldridge says she “reviewed the most important information in the number of hours she had.” Auger asks her if the FBI ever did a “drive study,” which is a study that includes driving around to see what signal you get in what places. Auger asks if the FBI knew how to do this in 2017. Eldridge says “theoretically.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Warwick7]

"Somebody removed that cable from the phone at 10 p.m.," Eldridge told jurors, adding later: "I cannot think of any explanation that does not involve humans."

OMG are you kidding me? What is this person's specialty again? A FBI digital evidence instructor.
Ugh...

1. The answer that many of us gave up above when a phone gets wet.

2. Libby's phone was connecting with a cell tower in the area on Feb. 13 but stopped at 5:44 p.m.
Baldwin said Libby's phone, which was found, somehow connected to a cellphone tower at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.
So the defense states the girls were removed and then brought back, thus why her phone allegedly reconnected to the tower.

No.

A stationary cell phone can automatically reconnect to a cell tower after losing signal on its own, as long as there is a tower within range and the phone is actively searching for a signal; it will periodically attempt to re-establish a connection with the nearest available tower.

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[StarryStarryNight]

Qwerty

From the article.

During cross-examination by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Eldridge acknowledged that she had not previously done extraction analysis of cellphones. McLeland also noted that Libby's phone likely went in and out of service without ever being moved. He asked if its realistic explanation that the phone simply came back to service at 4:33 a.m., when the phone received several text messages from friends and family members.

"That could be a likely explanation," Eldridge said.

The defense witnesses tend to look pretty good until they are cross examined and you get the rest of the story.

 

[Notthisshipsister]

iphone thinks headphones are plugged in e… - Apple Community

discussions.apple.com

I am probably missing something-- I understand that the iPhone might "think" headphones are plugged in--- but, why the specific time(s)?

 

[m00c0w]

Based on more detailed reporting, I'm thinking you are spot on:

Plugging the phone in prevented sound from coming out of the device, Eldridge said, and there was an unanswered incoming call milliseconds before the cable was inserted.

New details about Libby's phone and the impact of isolation: What defense revealed to jurors

Jurors in the trial of Richard Allen heard from a parade of experts whose testimonies are meant to challenge some of the state's strongest evidence.

www.indystar.com

They were able to accurately predict the phone was going to ring through Odinist divinations.

Or the phone vibrated and shook water into the right spot, shorting the relevant sensor.

Could be either, though!

JMO