Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

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I have to wonder if it’s just one or two jury members who are well educated on guns and might be driving these questions and might have some sway on other jurors who know nothing about gun stuff.

ETA: I think the bullet is going to be a big part of their decision.
The variety of questions across the witnesses has been impressive- and the ones another bullet today were very specific- but as a juror who might not understand the testimony, I’d feel a little bit better if another juror understood it and could explain it to me later - moo
 
So.. is it's junk science when the State's expert physically examines and makes a ruling on the evidence?... now scientific fact because the D has their expert up? This must be the magic bullet they've been screaming about.
The states witness compared a fired round to an unfired round.
 
and the defense witness compared photographs of the fired round and the unfired round.
Am I missing something? I’ve looked at several different reports of his testimony and I’m not seeing where he made a conclusion either way as to the outcome of his “tests”, just that the prosecution’s expert allegedly compared apples to oranges. I assume it was said, but hasn’t been reported on yet in any of the big live blogs?
 
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I was working on my normal Delphi Murders Trial lunch update but then my computer decided to restart on me so check out our web article for the latest info! I’ll have a full wrap up tonight!



Updated: Nov 5, 2024 / 02:20 PM EST

Blair returns to stand​

The 16th day of testimony began with Betsy Blair, a Feb. 13, 2017, witness who took the stand earlier in the case. Blair said she saw a car in the parking lot of the old CPS building that had been backed into its spot.

She described it as an older car that was angular in shape. She drew an outline of the car for law enforcement; the drawing was admitted as evidence.

Blair couldn’t recall the color of the vehicle, although a transcript from April 2019 indicated she told investigators it “could not have been black.” The state objected to the “improper use of a transcript,” which Gull sustained.

A black 2016 Ford Focus SE registered to Allen is at the center of the case.
 
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Delphi murders trial, Day 16, a few lunch break notes 1/



Three witnesses for the defense this morning. Betsy Blair, who testified for prosecution more than a week ago, was on the trail Feb. 23, 2017, when Abby Williams and Libby German were there. She testified about a car an older model car she saw parked that day …


… at a former CPS building as she left the trail on CR 300 West. Said it looked like a car her father once owned, a 1965 Comet. Not black. Not brightly colored. Parked backed in at an angle, which is why she noted it. 3/


Dr. Stuart Grassian, a Boston psychiatrist & defense expert witness, testified about the effects of solitary confinement, particularly on mental health and memory. Tension point: prosecutor looked to block portions of his testimony when it came to conclusions about … 4/


… Richard Allen’s confessions while being held at Westville Correctional Facility in 2023. Judge told defense to not step over lines. Grassian testified that phone calls he heard from Allen to his wife and family indicated effects of solitary. ‘This was absolutely classic.’ 5/


A forensic firearms consultant testified that, based on photos and documents, tool markings on an unspent round found at crime scene had ‘insufficient agreement’ to match with an Sig Sauer handgun Allen owned. The cartridge has been key to the prosecution’s case. 6/


Prosecutors challenged the consultant, Eric Warren, asking why he hadn’t tried to verify ISP conclusions that it was a match by doing physical testing with the gun rather than through photos, etc. Warren said defense hadn’t asked him for that but that he stood by his analysis. 7/

More later. @93wibc @localguydonnie
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Court is back in session at 1:47 p.m. The state says the next defense witness is a phone expert and they request that two previous witnesses who examined Libby’s phone be able to sit in the court room for rebuttal purposes.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:52 p.m. The defense calls Stacy Eldridge. Eldridge is an expert in computer information management.
 

4:11 P.M.​

Court is back in session at 1:47 p.m. The state says the next defense witness is a phone expert and they request that two previous witnesses who examined Libby’s phone be able to sit in the court room for rebuttal purposes.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:52 p.m. The defense calls Stacy Eldridge. Eldridge is an expert in computer information management. She worked for the FBI for nearly 10 years as a forensic examiner and later a senior examiner. She also worked as an instructor on digital evidence.

Eldridge says she left the FBI and is now a license private detective in Nebraska. She tells the jury she used to have a license in Cellbrite, the software used to forensically examine cell phones.

 
Bringing this article over from the last thread

I'm confused. The expert has NOT seen any evidence, including the gun or bullet?

So what was this expert testifying about?

"Warren said he didn't need the bullet or the gun when conducting his part of the investigation."

(...)

"Warren noted that he has not seen any of the evidence in the case."



 
Bringing this article over from the last thread

I'm confused. The expert has NOT seen any evidence, including the gun or bullet?

So what was this expert testifying about?

"Warren said he didn't need the bullet or the gun when conducting his part of the investigation."

(...)

"Warren noted that he has not seen any of the evidence in the case."



I take it that he had seen the report from the examiner, but hadn't seen the discovery files or anything. That makes sense.
 
Bit more:

4:11 P.M.​

Court is back in session at 1:47 p.m. The state says the next defense witness is a phone expert and they request that two previous witnesses who examined Libby’s phone be able to sit in the court room for rebuttal purposes.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:52 p.m. The defense calls Stacy Eldridge. Eldridge is an expert in computer information management. She worked for the FBI for nearly 10 years as a forensic examiner and later a senior examiner. She also worked as an instructor on digital evidence.

Eldridge says she left the FBI and is now a license private detective in Nebraska. She tells the jury she used to have a license in Cellebrite, the software used to forensically examine cell phones. She says she is a consultant now and an adjunct at two universities.

Eldridge tells the jury she has testified 3 times for the government and owns a business called Silicon Prairie Cyber Services.

Eldrige tells the jury the defense is paying her $300 per hour to testify. She says she has worked 65 hours in examination for this case and 15 hours prepping for testimony.

Eldridge says she reviewed the October 2017 cell phone extraction, as well as the Cellebrite report and the report from Chris Cecil. She says she also reviewed Cecil’s deposition.

She tells the jury that ISP used Cellebrite, Axiom and other forensic tools to examine Libby’s phone. Eldridge says she primarily used Axiom and used two others. She explains to the jury that every tool can do the work a little differently or display it differently.

She tells the jury that an extraction is getting all data off of a phone so you can examine it later. Eldridge says everything she examined came from ISP.

 
@KylaBRussell

#NEW: A former FBI digital evidence instructor testifies for the defense and says she believes wired headphones, or some sort of auxiliary chord, was plugged into Libby German’s phone between 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017 to 10:32 p.m. that same day.We’re updating our blog with more info from that testimony.



4:18 PM · Nov 5, 2024


4:11 P.M.​

Court is back in session at 1:47 p.m. The state says the next defense witness is a phone expert and they request that two previous witnesses who examined Libby’s phone be able to sit in the court room for rebuttal purposes.

The jury is back in the court room at 1:52 p.m. The defense calls Stacy Eldridge. Eldridge is an expert in computer information management. She worked for the FBI for nearly 10 years as a forensic examiner and later a senior examiner. She also worked as an instructor on digital evidence.

Eldridge says she left the FBI and is now a license private detective in Nebraska. She tells the jury she used to have a license in Cellebrite, the software used to forensically examine cell phones. She says she is a consultant now and an adjunct at two universities.

Eldridge tells the jury she has testified 3 times for the government and owns a business called Silicon Prairie Cyber Services.

Eldrige tells the jury the defense is paying her $300 per hour to testify. She says she has worked 65 hours in examination for this case and 15 hours prepping for testimony.

Eldridge says she reviewed the October 2017 cell phone extraction, as well as the Cellebrite report and the report from Chris Cecil. She says she also reviewed Cecil’s deposition.

She tells the jury that ISP used Cellebrite, Axiom and other forensic tools to examine Libby’s phone. Eldridge says she primarily used Axiom and used two others. She explains to the jury that every tool can do the work a little differently or display it differently.

She tells the jury that an extraction is getting all data off of a phone so you can examine it later. Eldridge says everything she examined came from ISP. She says there are “three level 6 extractions you can do, each one of them pulls different amounts of info.” Eldridge explains that “logical” extraction covers the basic user information, and “that’s what Libby’s phone had in early 2017.”

Eldridge says ISP had the capacity in early 2017 to do a full extraction of Libby’s phone, but only did it in October of that year.

 
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