Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198

[girlhasnoname]

Judge Gull denies the Defense Motion to Compel Despondents to Answer Certified Questions.

Judge Gull ordered Defendants Pleading Verified Motion for Certificate of Appearance regarding an Out of State Witness and accompanying order to be made confidential and ordered they refile with redacted information.

 

[Salah11]

It all seems absolutely crazy before opening that the jurors are being given this information. Would this not make them more curious to google the case as they have time on their hands?

I can not wrap my head around some of this stuff being from the U.K. It seems like even some people from the U.S. can’t even understand it either, so I guess I am not alone.

Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Is it Friday? My bad.

"Let the defense team have this short lived last hurrah before the whole truth is revealed come Friday. That is when we will get down to the real meat and potatoes.

Keep in mind we still haven't seen RA's browser history, his work records, his confessions that contain information ONLY the killer would know, nor have we heard a larger sample of his voice.

Friday is the day for Abby, Liberty, and Justice for ALL."

Corrected it. Thanks for letting me know.

This was yesterday, subject to change probably. LOL

 

[girlhasnoname]

It all seems absolutely crazy before opening that the jurors are being given this information. Would this not make them more curious to google the case as they have time on their hands?

I can not wrap my head around some of this stuff being from the U.K. It seems like even some people from the U.S. can’t even understand it either, so I guess I am not alone.

Moo

I was pretty surprised that Judge Gull agreed to allow it myself.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Day Three of #Justice4Abby&Libby​

 

[SerialGal]

If the hair had no bulb, it could have been tested for mitochondrial DNA only. That might help eliminate people but not identify a particular individual. Maybe it didn't identify RA but it couldn't eliminate him either...so it's a nothing burger in terms of being really useful to either side? Just some thoughts.

I sure hope so! For a brief instant I felt that weird coldness wash over me and I thought, “oh no… he’s still out there!” This trial will be a doozy, I think. MOO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: A few additional updates from the second and final day of jury selection for the #Delphi double murder trial.
- Richard Allen was again in court today. He wore a blue long sleeve button down shirt and khakis.
- The prosecution and defense again gave insight into their strategies based on their questions to potential jurors.
- The prosecution’s questions focused heavily on what evidence a juror may need to be convinced someone is guilty.
- The defense focused heavily on the concept of innocence and constitutional innocence.
- There will be no court proceedings on Wednesday.
- Jury will be sworn in on Thursday morning.
- Also on Thursday, a hearing will be held to decide if the jury will be able to see composite sketches used throughout the investigation. The prosecution made a motion to block that this morning.
- Opening statements are still set for Friday.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1846341747057537069

These are of particular interest. I wonder how the jurors answered the first point. That one leads me to believe the P's case isn't as strong as we hoped.

I'm clueless how the D will argue the second point.

Snips from the post
- The prosecution’s questions focused heavily on what evidence a juror may need to be convinced someone is guilty.
- The defense focused heavily on the concept of innocence and constitutional innocence.

 

[FrostedGlass]

LOL -- and how does Bob Motta know this ???

I would imagine that the hair was analyzed before spending big bucks on DNA testing. Can't they just look under a microscope to determine if a hair is animal or human? It almost has to be human hair.
MOO

 

[m00c0w]

I would imagine that the hair was analyzed before spending big bucks on DNA testing. Can't they just look under a microscope to determine if a hair is animal or human? It almost has to be human hair.
MOO

I think the point is that either a) folks were right and the defense was sharing sealed information to people they shouldn’t have or b) Bob Motta doesn’t actually know.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

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Jurors don't have to be unfamiliar with the case, but have to agree they will consider only the evidence presented in court in their deliberation.

jmo

Correct.. otherwise the jury pool is not of your peers and is basically clueless hermit people who have not heard about this local case.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Correct.. otherwise the jury pool is not of your peers and is basically clueless hermit people who have not heard about this local case.

I have to admit I got a chuckle out of hermit people. lol

It's a high profile case, especially in Indiana, but I've talked to family and friends about it and they have no clue. I do think RA got a jury of his peers selected and that is important I agree.

JMO

 

[Justice101]

Oh, I meant motives for the kidnapping, besides SA?

I am thinking hair from a squirrel, rabbit or deer. If she was grasping at the leaves on the ground at any point in the assault/murder, hair that has been shed can stick to your hand. Didn't the discover the bodies when a deer was seen near the bodies that caught a searcher's attention?

 

[Justice101]

In my opinion:

The hair = whose it is will play out later.
The big story here now is: It is not a RA match.

After all the stuff that child had been through, the hair she clutched in her hand did not belong to RA.

Probably deer hair would be my guess... from clutching the leaves on the ground at some point.

 

[FrostedGlass]

I think the point is that either a) folks were right and the defense was sharing sealed information to people they shouldn’t have or b) Bob Motta doesn’t actually know.

JMO

I believe there is some science behind hair testing and he's basing his opinion on what he knows.
MOO

 

[m00c0w]

I believe there is some science behind hair testing and he's basing his opinion on what he knows.
MOO

The raw statement “there was hair on her hand that doesn’t match RA” doesn’t discount the possibility of animal hair. He didn’t specify how it was tested, nor that it was even tested.

Bob Motta would be making a lot of assumptions based on one sentence, which would fall under option “b”.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

It all seems absolutely crazy before opening that the jurors are being given this information. Would this not make them more curious to google the case as they have time on their hands?

I can not wrap my head around some of this stuff being from the U.K. It seems like even some people from the U.S. can’t even understand it either, so I guess I am not alone.

Moo

Jurors who are unethical might be tempted. They agree to follow instructions and uphold the integrity of the process. I have trust in juries, and I hope it's not misplaced.

But if someone breaks the rules and they are discovered, the case could be tossed - and that is a big burden to carry knowing the financial and emotional cost of the trial. I assume most are not tempted to take that risk.

Honestly, most jurors want to hear the case but are not obsessed like the true-crime community. They know they will hear the details in court without the need to seek them out. (After the trial, they could do that if they want to.)

Silly me, I still believe in the process.

jmo

 

[Vern]

I believe there is some science behind hair testing and he's basing his opinion on what he knows.
MOO

According to MS coverage of yesterday's hearings, the Defence stated that the hair in Libby's hand did not match RA's DNA.

But, they also point out that at no time in yesterday's hearing did the Defence (or the Prosecution) state that this particular hair was human. Nor that it was even DNA tested. Yes, we do know that DNA testing was done based on the officially released financial reports, but we have no idea whether this hair - or what - was actually the item(s) that were DNA tested as that is not detailed in the financial report and those details have not been stated in the courtroom either.

So, the point being - is Motta making this leap to this "human hair" conclusion on his own? Or has the D-Team, once again, leaked info not yet presented in court to their SM supporters in breach of the gag order?

Timestamp: 21m, 30s

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Selection: Day Two

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[pseudo_hum]

Probably deer hair would be my guess... from clutching the leaves on the ground at some point.

IMO, it could be anything. An animal stopped by during the night. I did not read that it was human? So who knows?

 

[FrostedGlass]

According to MS coverage of yesterday's hearings, the Defence stated that the hair in Libby's hand did not match RA's DNA.

But, they also point out that at no time in yesterday's hearing did the Defence (or the Prosecution) state that this particular hair was human. Nor that it was even DNA tested. Yes, we do know that DNA testing was done based on the officially released financial reports, but we have no idea whether this hair - or what - was actually the item(s) that were DNA tested as that is not detailed in the financial report and those details have not been stated in the courtroom either.

So, the point being - is Motta making this leap to this "human hair" conclusion on his own? Or has the D-Team, once again, leaked info not yet presented in court to their SM supporters in breach of the gag order?

Timestamp: 21m, 30s

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Jury Selection: Day Two

We are at the Allen County Courthouse in Fort Wayne, Indiana for the second day of jury selection in the Richard Allen trial. Support The Murder Sheet by...

murdersheetpodcast.com

Thank you for the summary. I did understand the point they were trying to make.
I believe BM is smart enough to come to that conclusion all on his own. IMO
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[Warwick7]

I think the point is that either a) folks were right and the defense was sharing sealed information to people they shouldn’t have or b) Bob Motta doesn’t actually know.

JMO

Well, *cough cough* it wouldn't be the first time someone from that defense shared information they shouldn't have.