Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[vinayd]

Because he was still in psychosis.

i think you misunderstand. Ozzie was asking to make an offer of proof. He wasn’t trying to have a jury instruction about <modsnip - EF>

They did say "attempt at an offer of proof". It's the same offer from Franks Vol. 1.

 

[minor4th]

Martin said he saw Allen several times in May, and each time, Allen was “coherent” and there was “no evidence” of psychosis By the end of the month, Allen was eating meals and had spoken to his wife.

On June 20, Allen had gone seven weeks without showing signs of psychosis and Martin decided to stop the Haldol injections.

Martin said Allen told him that day, “I would like to apologize to the families of my victims.”

He told the court Allen was “not psychotic” at the time of the statement.
Delphi Murders trial: Day 17 live blog

He was giving confessions well into June per the link, including the one Bolded above.

He also said RA continued to receive Haldol in June 2023. And said that he was psychotic on some days in May as well. His testimony is internally inconsistent. IMO

 

[photographer4]

So B wanted EF “addressed” in jury instructions by adding “a statement of confessions” although he did not respond to a subpoena and the Judge had already ruled he would not testify. And even though the defense has already rested, a lightbulb moment has Baldwin asking to make yet another attempt at an Offer of Proof.

This sums up the utter nonsense this defense team has brought to the otherwise tragic case involving the violent slaying of two innocent teens girls out for a walk on a warm non school day in 2017.

JMO

Imo it sums up the nonsense of the proceedings as a whole. Moo.

 

[minor4th]

FYI - there seems to be some confusion about the request for a Frank’s hearing and the defense’s third party suspect claims.

The Franks hearing is a hearing on the validity of the original arrest warrant. The judge never held a Franks hearing. She refused to set a hearing for it. She just denied it without a hearing.

The third-party suspect issues were brought before the court by the State’s motion in limine seeking to preclude any mention of third party suspects. That was part of the 3day hearing, and as we all know the judge granted the Motion in Limine.

 

[sunshineray]

Rule 404. Character Evidence; Other Crimes, Wrongs, or Acts

www.law.cornell.edu

They basically asked 3 questions of RA's sister and daughter.
Did he ever molest yoi?
Would you lie for him?
Do you love him?

They asked some little bit of growing up neighborhood type background from the sister. (a Chris was just mentioned as a kid's name. RA had mentioned in confessions molesting a Chris and Kevin)
From RA's daughter the prosecution had her identify pictures from 2017 period of RA and that her Dad took her on the MHB at least a couple times and she was scared.

Not much about RA's character, what he was actually like, his personality. At least not in any reports I've seen.

I guess that doesn't leave much that the Prosecution can do unless they can call KA and ask her about the background information she gave that expert Dr. in interview? I don't think that would be allowed?

So RA remains an enigma of sorts. AJMO

 

[Han]

is my recollection correct the jury has not been presented with evidence communicating to them the length/height/width of the railroad bridge, the treacherous condition of the bridge, the steepness of the incline “down the hill”, the width and depth of the creek or the steepness of the embankment on the north side of the creek? It seems it could have established much about this crime.

FWIW, it’s my impression the jury, having the rest of the afternoon off, will retire tonight with hope of reaching a verdict tomorrow after closing arguments. They seem to have listened carefully and must be ready to go home. I fully expect a quick conviction seeing nothing the defense has done to raise reasonable doubt, and hope there will not be a hung jury.

For the sake of all the families, both victim and accused, I hope they will find peace after the verdict is announced. MOO.

 

[joe jones]

Kathy may be legally entitled to marital privilege, am not sure what the rules are in Indiana, all my very honest opinion
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[FrostedGlass]

So many of the states witnesses have changed their statements from earlier depositions and testimony - and yes all the changes favor the State. It’s a clear sign of agenda-driven testimony and should be given less weight by the jury.

If I was a juror, I'd be giving them almost no weight by now.
Dr. Kohr is the one that disappointed me the most so far.

 

[Appletreefarm35]

He also said RA continued to receive Haldol in June 2023. And said that he was psychotic on some days in May as well. His testimony is internally inconsistent. IMO

I'm having a difficulty time parsing out exactly what was said as the reporting appears to (from WISH-TV) seems to have been edited and updated multiple times. Hopefully we'll get a clearer news report of this testimony later today. I had a similar experience with several other expert testimonies throughout this trial.

I'm not surprised they continued the long-acting Haldol to help prevent recurrence of psychosis. This seems like appropriate care based on my understanding of guidelines as a pharmacist. I'm not a psychiatrist but am familiar with the medications & the treatment guidelines.

 

[photographer4]

If I was a juror, I'd be giving them almost no weight by now.
Dr. Kohr is the one that disappointed me the most so far.

Wala was the worst imo... but I don't love the cell phone guys either, or the doctor they had on there today... none of the state's professionals were well, professional imo....

 

[joe jones]

I do not think state has reached BARD for me, there theory of how the crime happened and the time/timings don't add up for me, so even if I was persuaded that he did it the state theory of the crime is not feasible for me.
But as I posted on Day 1 of trial I expect a conviction as IMO it would be a very strong jury/juror to vote NG with all the pressures, expectations and high profile of the case

 

[photographer4]

I do not think state has reached BARD for me, there theory of how the crime happened and the time/timings don't add up for me, so even if I was persuaded that he did it the state theory of the crime is not feasible for me.
But as I posted on Day 1 of trial I expect a conviction as IMO it would be a very strong jury/juror to vote NG with all the pressures, expectations and high profile of the case

Didn't get to BARD for me either - I wonder if we might see a mistrial... Guess time will tell....

 

[FrostedGlass]

Wala was the worst imo... but I don't love the cell phone guys either, or the doctor they had on there today... none of the state's professionals were well, professional imo....

I agree about not loving some of them. I expected the forensic pathologist to be neutral; talking to the P, changing his mind about his findings (after all these years) and then not telling the D... I just thought he would be above doing something like that.

 

[photographer4]

I agree about not loving some of them. I expected the forensic pathologist to be neutral; talking to the P, changing his mind about his findings (after all these years) and then not telling the D... I just thought he would be above doing something like that.

Quite disappointing really, and eye opening imo to see how the State's professional witnesses changed their stories...

 

[arielilane]

3:55 P.M. POOL REPORTER’S TRANSCRIPTION OF A COURT EXHIBIT.​

The following is a direct transcription of an exhibit shown to the media today after court adjourned. It is a psych evaluation of Richard Allen prepared by Dr. John Martin on June 20, 2023.

“This morning the patient was interviewed in an interview cell. He had been wearing a uniform when he was taken to the cell but chose to take it off and was in a tee shirt and boxers. Several contusions on his face that had been self-induced are no longer as prominent. Eye contact was poor. he spoke very softly but also very briefly. He kept asking for Dr. Wala. He was coherent and spoke without loose associations or flight of ideas. He was oriented to person, place, time of day and situation. He has a constricted (ed. note, difficult to read this word.) affect. He said that he had suicidal ideations. He did not want to talk too much. What he did talk about was his concern for his wife. He said that he wanted to apologize to the families of his victims. He is eating his meals. He is keeping himself clean. A renew of the logs shows that he is getting an adequate amount of sleep and is eating most of his meals. He has been meeting with Dr. Wala for therapy sessions and is due to see her in a few minutes. He was not consistent in taking his oral medications and so it was discontinued. He will continue on Prozac. I am discontinuing the Haldol Decanoate today. In general he is much improved and does not appear to be psychotic at the present time. He claims to be suicidal. He is continued on suicide watch. He will be interviewed again in two weeks.” -End of transcription.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 17 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German in 2017, is on trial in Carroll County, Indiana. The defense rested their case at the start of Day 17, and are expected to give closing arguments soon.

wishtv.com

Updated: Nov 6, 2024 / 04:07 PM EST

 

[steeltowngirl]

Does anyone know if once a verdict is reached, is the gag order lifted? Will families and attorneys (all case parties) be able to speak freely about the case, should they so choose?

 

[Arkay]

The defense attorney also suggested the girls may have gone up an access road, gotten into another vehicle and were killed elsewhere before being taken back to where their bodies were discovered near Deer Creek

To me this has always been one of the most egregious of all the claims made by the defense.

I’m trying to think like a murderer. I intend to do something wicked to two young girls. Maybe some SA, going to end up slashing their throats.

I’ve successfully gotten those girls off the bridge to do with them as I will. I do my evil deeds, I kill them, no one saw me.

THEN I HOIST TWO DEAD BODIES AND BRING THEM BACK TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE SEARCHING FOR THEM???

Please.

JMO as an actual non-murderer.

 

[sunshineray]

is my recollection correct the jury has not been presented with evidence communicating to them the length/height/width of the railroad bridge, the treacherous condition of the bridge, the steepness of the incline “down the hill”, the width and depth of the creek or the steepness of the embankment on the north side of the creek? It seems it could have established much about this crime.

FWIW, it’s my impression the jury, having the rest of the afternoon off, will retire tonight with hope of reaching a verdict tomorrow after closing arguments. They seem to have listened carefully and must be ready to go home. I fully expect a quick conviction seeing nothing the defense has done to raise reasonable doubt, and hope there will not be a hung jury.

For the sake of all the families, both victim and accused, I hope they will find peace after the verdict is announced. MOO.

I have not seen anything reported about maps or pictures depicting the MHB areas or measurements testified about, just the crime scene and maybe the clothes in the creek?

 

[zh0r4]

I agree about not loving some of them. I expected the forensic pathologist to be neutral; talking to the P, changing his mind about his findings (after all these years) and then not telling the D... I just thought he would be above doing something like that.

I’m still confused about whether or not he was a forensic pathologist. My understanding is that he is not. He is a pathologist, that was elected to do autopsies, so he would have had an M.D. But he wouldn’t have specialized in forensic pathology/done autopsies until he was elected to do so? Does anyone know which day he testifies?

 

[Arkay]

ETA - You never responded about all the beaten dead horses. Will there be a case & any chance you’d represent them? Only kidding - levity purposes only.

They can't afford me.

No equus pro bono??? Those horses are gonna “whine.”