VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[justtrish]

Alex Murdaugh's trial was one of the fastest deliberations I'd seen of a case that magnitude.

He even had some supporters on these threads. Some saying the state didn't prove their case, his story was believable, etc.

Same with George Wagner who was tried for killing the Rhoden family. People over there swore he was not involved... his entire family was, but he wasn't.. his brother and mother lied and said he was involved, but he wasn't.. he even took the stand and it was fake as fake gets, but people believed it.. or well they said they did.

Both those juries came back pretty quick IIRC

 

[detectivewannab]

$4m and counting and a very unsatisfactory trial that IMO should never have been brought before the court given the sheer paucity of evidence and deep flaws in the original and ongoing investigation.

THE PROSECUTOR HAS FAILED TO PROVE RA IS BRIDGE GUY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT

He has failed to prove the very basics that:

1. Bridge guy perpetrated the kidnapping
2. Bridge guy was in possession of a gun
3. Bridge guy said the words “down the hill”
4. Bridge guy was involved in the crime
5. RA is “bridge guy”

What he has proved is:

1. No witness’s description of “Bridge Guy” is the same
2. The descriptions of “Bridge Guy” (young, muscular, taller than they are, “beautiful,” long blond hair, poofy hair, wearing a mask, in all black, in a blue jean jacket, in a blue jacket, without blue eyes, in a tan coat, etc. etc.) do not describe RA
3. No witness actually identified RA in court as the person they saw on the trail that day
4. Bridge guy is not discernable in the actual, unenhanced video
5. The enhanced video may not actually reflect Bridge guy’s weight, height, or facial features because AI was used to interpolate the missing pixels
6. RA did not place himself on the trail in Bridge Guy’s clothing that day (RA never said he was wearing a blue jacket, boots, and hat that day (interview clearly states black jacket, sneakers, and that he carried a hat in his pocket, so maybe))
7. SC’s recollection has changed over the years (from tan to blue jacket; from muddy to bloody)
8. It is improbable that SC would see both a bloody, muddy man and the distraught German family at the Mears Entrance without the Germans also noticing the “bloody, muddy man.” Furthermore, Hoosier Harvest Store video does not corroborate her testimony.

ALL MOO

The defense is amazing at making up excuses. It's laughable. This is a smart jury.

 

[tlcya]

I think the BW theory is one that LE should have investigated, what RA is accused of doing is equally implausible and far more difficult than BW taking them on a road to his home
[snipped by tlcya for focus]
So all that versus someone taking them into his house (I'm not saying I think BW did it, I am just opining on the theories of what BW would have to have done versus the states theory of what RA has to do

LE did investigate BW. And cleared him.

 

[Warwick7]

I think the BW theory is one that LE should have investigated, what RA is accused of doing is equally implausible and far more difficult than BW taking them on a road to his home
RA we are to believe took 2 girls down a steep embankment, they all 3 had to have been walking unhindered ie not tied up in any way as to get down the hill would be difficult, he had to get both girls to the same spot to cross the river, the stàtes theory is he has a gun, but in going down the hill it would have been difficult to have it pointed right at the girls at all times, once down the hill he had to get them to wade across the stream and up very muddy steep embankment the other side, all in broad daylight, out in the open, and with no idea how many people were out on the trails that afternoon, still in broad daylight (with the possibility anybody could have been hiking or walking in the area, or the landowner walking on his land) he had to get them both to take clothes off, AW testimony wasn't sure if she took off bras and vest but she took off everything below the waist, he then had to put gun in pocket or somewhere else, then get hold of one girl fatally wound her then do the same to the other in broad daylight, he then redressed one victim, and then in broad daylight left the scene on foot had to walk out onto a busy road to get to his car, he had to have been soaking wet from river and i expect he had blood on him, LG testimony revealed was able to assert herself and would stand up for herself, but nobody heard anything that day, RA testimony was he was a fragile egg, seems to be totally reliant on his wife, is small for a man, and his personality IMO doesn't feel as dominant where he could control two girls, even if at gunpoint, and then when he put gun away to get knife, he could have just shot them, two shots in quick succession may not have caused alarm especially with testimony that hunting happened at the crime scene, but they were not shot and he then proceeded to spend more time at scene where he could have been discovered
So all that versus someone taking them into his house (I'm not saying I think BW did it, I am just opining on the theories of what BW would have to have done versus the states theory of what RA has to do

It no longer matters to me.

Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sighting

 

[Trebor5591]

how long do you all think it will take for the jury to reach a verdict?

 

[arielilane]

50 minutes ago!

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: The jury has begun deliberation in the #Delphi double murders trial.



1:47 PM · Nov 7, 2024

 

[tlcya]

how long do you all think it will take for the jury to reach a verdict?

maybe @Tricia will start a poll on how long the jury deliberates.

 

[Ravenmoon]

how long do you all think it will take for the jury to reach a verdict?

I think that we will have a verdict sometime tomorrow afternoon.

Of course, JMO

 

[arielilane]

* 2024

@KaitlynReports

The jury is now deliberating the #Delphi case against accused murder suspect Richard Allen. They went into deliberations at 1:24 pm, 11/7/2023.

@wrtv is on standby until a verdict is met.
2:26 PM · Nov 7, 2024

 

[Inthedetails]

50 minutes ago!

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: The jury has begun deliberation in the #Delphi double murders trial.



1:47 PM · Nov 7, 2024

My heart jumped - I thought this was a verdict announcement.

 

[joe jones]

BW was investigated, I believe by none other than the FBI. The full works. Searches, interviews. Nothing doing. It was in testimony the last few days and you can google all the info too to find msm reporting on this fact . Moo.

That's what I posted, my post was about what the state says RA has to have done versus how easy it would have been for BW to kidnap girls and take them to his house, I'm not saying BW did it

 

[Diddian]

Sorry about that, use the search on beacon to this parcel.


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thank you!

 

[Justice101]

The defense is amazing at making up excuses. It's laughable. This is a smart jury.

I'll say it again... from my experience, most juries are down-to-earth practical people who follow logic and a sense of if this story the prosecution gives is credible. Does all or most of the evidence show the prosecutions case to be true? And if there is one piece that doesn't fit, is it a big enough piece that causes reasonable doubt?

They are instructed to hear evidence that places someone else (ANYONE else who may or may not have been identified) with the means and opportunity to do this at this time.

Like others have said, I didn't see the defense refute much of anything presented by the prosecution. Just a bunch of distracting what ifs... that I don't think will amount to much sway with the jury.

 

[BexLuth0r]

McLeland says “Libby said someday she is going to help police solve crimes, that’s exactly what she did.”

McLeland ends his rebuttal.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

That's a hell of an ending to a rebuttal.

 

[lonetraveler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854598960842711483

4pm? That's early for deliberation. Hopefully this jury will decide to complete the deliberation today.

 

[Arkay]

Sticks in BW garage? What is that supposed to imply? That he went back and forth to the crime scene so he could use his personal supply of garage sticks? That he took some stick trophies and threw them on his garage floor?

Hilarious. What does it even signify? So BW would need to keep sticks in his garage to carry to a crime in the woods?

Trying to catch up….what is this now? The D says BW had sticks in his home???

The implication being that BW did it?

Isn’t carrying your own “sticks” to a winter forest floor covered in sticks, branches and twigs the definition of “carrying coals to Newcastle?”

If there’s one thing I’d think a murderer wouldn’t need to supply would be wood in a forest.

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

The FBI agent that interviewed BW never came to testify. And the fact that ISP refused testing of what DNA they had by FBI.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

As long as we're pulling predictions out of our rear ends about when a verdict is reached, here's mine.

Sometime tomorrow at the earliest. It's obvious from the questions they've asked that these jurors are smart and engaged. They will want to consider the evidence methodically IMO. Make sure they're not missing anything.

I expect they will want to carry out their enormous responsibility...well, responsibly...and also want to get back to their families ASAP.

 

[al66pine]

Abby Surviving 5 -10 Min?

Rozzi tells the jury ....
He says Abby would have lived for 5-10 minute and could have screamed, but nobody heard any screaming.....

Delphi Murders trial: Day 18 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with closing arguments from both prosecution and defense. Jury will decide the fate of suspect Richard Allen.

wishtv.com

snipped for focus @Tortoise
Did the ForPath who conducted the autopsy testify in court under oath that Abby WOULD have lived for 5-10 mins? Or COULD have? Or used other phrasing?
ETA: Does not seem imo like the kind of stmt a ForPath would include in the A-Rpt.

Or did other witness say that?

Anyone? TiA

 

[Justice101]

That's what I posted, my post was about what the state says RA has to have done versus how easy it would have been for BW to kidnap girls and take them to his house, I'm not saying BW did it

Given that line of thinking... why then, not investigate the woman who saw both the girls and RA on the bridge? There was no evidence (other than the voice and the video if you believe BG did it), that a woman didn't do it. She was capable of slitting someone's throat. Why wasn't she investigated too.

I know this sounds and rudimentary and silly but police rule in and rule out suspects for a reason.