VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[Warwick7]

Unless the reasons are made clear, why is it still being discussed? It’s an absolutely horrific mental picture, that serves no purpose in determining RA’s innocence or guilt.

jmo

That's what I was just thinking.
It doesn't matter anyway, I think before Abby's throat was slit she was scared and crying.
I do think he got on top of her and straddled her (or put his knees into her chest) and put his hand over her mouth when he slit her throat. This could be why there was a mark on her face.
I think all of it happened rather quickly. Libby went to run and he sliced the back of her neck then he dropped down on top of Abby slit her neck jumped up and went after Libby. All in a rage.....
M00

 

[Mauig’ma]

Yep, unbelievable that anyone could think that someone tossed those branches on Abby and Libby and they just happened to land the way they did.

How he laid the branches is neither here nor there for me. Makes no difference how he covered the girls with them. Moo And I doubt he tossed them on them. Methodically placed maybe imo

 

[photographer4]

How he laid the branches is neither here nor there for me. Makes no difference how he covered the girls with them. Moo And I doubt he tossed them on them. Methodically placed maybe imo

The difference for me is huge especially knowing Le left the branches there for weeks after they released the scene back to the property owner. Moo.

 

[Mitch1]

How he laid the branches is neither here nor there for me. Makes no difference how he covered the girls with them. Moo And I doubt he tossed them on them. Methodically placed maybe imo

And to me it does as it shows the mental state the person that did this could have been in-I don’t see anxiousness in the deliberate way those branches were placed. Certainly didn’t appear they were in a hurry either

 

[Warwick7]

He didn’t say he would tell them what he did.

He said he would tell them what they wanted to hear.

It is an important difference.

No.
He said he would tell them what they wanted to know. Big difference.

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[RemarkableYou]

No.
He said he would tell them what they wanted to know. Big difference.

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Actually from 2 of the lawyers that were at the trial and taking copious notes and other media he said what the other poster said. Basically anything they want.

 

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[cherrybier]

Actually from 2 of the lawyers that were at the trial and taking copious notes and other media he said what the other poster said. Basically anything they want.

Yep that's what I've seen/read as well.

 

[ClearAhead]

After court testimony regarding the video, this came to mind:
[snips]

"And armchair detectives are even taking their interest in the case a step further by creating YouTube reenactments of the crime.

Holeman: “[The videos] help us know that people don’t know [the true details], because the facts haven’t been released,” Holeman says. “People watch the news and think they are picking up on things, but it’s false. Nothing out there is accurate, which only leads to more false tips.”"

Why Police Have Not Released Details on the Murders of Libby German and Abby Williams from Delphi, Indiana

Since the 2017 murder of Indiana teens Libby German and Abby Williams, local authorities have not released any information about the cause or time of death of either victim, leading to rumors and speculation. We spoke with Indiana State Police First Sgt. Jerry Holeman about why the police are...

www.aetv.com

PUBLISHED: February 12, 2019
UPDATED: October 31, 2022

Yes this was already addressed on a prior thread. Hope the link works. I’m quite sure it’s what LE was referring to because it led to false tips. IMO

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Nov 5, 2024

this is why I do not follow LL. Because they misrepresented even in their rhetorical question posted upthread. LITERALLY nobody had a crime scene photo on their Facebook. Someone had a piece of "art" that depicted something that some moron thought resembled the crime scene. But the rumor machine infected the public and that rumor is what caused Facebook "detectives" to tip certain individuals early, because the art resembled what the public THOUGHT the crime scene looked like. The "sticks" turned out to be branches that depicted nothing save a disorganized chaotic killer's...

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[Cyber sleuth]

Yep, unbelievable that anyone could think that someone tossed those branches on Abby and Libby and they just happened to land the way they did.

No I think RA had plenty of time with two dead teens to do whatever weird thing he wanted to with sticks.
He’s an odd cat. With his collection of box cutters and interest in teen hostage movies.
JMO

 

[cherrybier]

That's what I was just thinking.
It doesn't matter anyway, I think before Abby's throat was slit she was scared and crying.
I do think he got on top of her and straddled her (or put his knees into her chest) and put his hand over her mouth when he slit her throat. This could be why there was a mark on her face.
I think all of it happened rather quickly. Libby went to run and he sliced the back of her neck then he dropped down on top of Abby slit her neck jumped up and went after Libby. All in a rage.....

But no bruises on her chest?

A bigger guy sitting on top of a small frame with his knees digging in would cause some bruising imo.

I'm no medico though.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Funny how the videos ended up becoming the State's theory as to what happened. I think they adopted public perception / online theories because their crap investigation meant they could not solve this. I don't think it will ever be solved. Even on a conviction, I do not believe they got this right. moo

I never really gave it any thought as to how that video came about.
I posted this on July 15, 2023, talking about the BG video.
I'm happy that we finally learned the truth about the video; it wasn't so tinfoilish after all.

"That picture has given me problems since the first time I saw it. Something about it has my brain convinced that image is not grounded. Every time I've ever looked at it, I've pulled the image of Abby on the bridge to compare and my brain says she's grounded; he's not. Then it's time to take off the tinfoil. lol.."

 

[photographer4]

That's what I was just thinking.
It doesn't matter anyway, I think before Abby's throat was slit she was scared and crying.
I do think he got on top of her and straddled her (or put his knees into her chest) and put his hand over her mouth when he slit her throat. This could be why there was a mark on her face.
I think all of it happened rather quickly. Libby went to run and he sliced the back of her neck then he dropped down on top of Abby slit her neck jumped up and went after Libby. All in a rage.....

Did we have testimony to support that Abby had been crying? I know the testimony suggested Libby may have had a tear on her face. I didn’t hear anything much about Abby aside her hands were clean - does anyone happen to know? Thanks in advance.

 

[Warwick7]

The difference for me is huge especially knowing Le left the branches there for weeks after they released the scene back to the property owner. Moo.

No, I believe the witness on the stand said he was ordered 2 days later to retrieve the branches.

 

[cherrybier]

Did we have testimony to support that Abby had been crying? I know the testimony suggested Libby may have had a tear on her face. I didn’t hear anything much about Abby aside her hands were clean - does anyone happen to know? Thanks in advance.

Abby is a mystery. The state did not explain her death at all imo.

 

[kae27]

Hardly solitary confinement was it?
Anyway. I thought he quite enjoyed his own company. Went to the trails for hours on his own didn't he?

As a hiker AND as an attorney, in my opinion a comparison between enjoying the solitude of the beauty of nature and being in solitary confinement in a prison is not apt.

 

[Mitch1]

No I think RA had plenty of time with two dead teens to do whatever weird thing he wanted to with sticks.
He’s an odd cat. With his collection of box cutters and interest in teen hostage movies.
JMO

Hhhmmm, so like I stated in my post -certainly didn’t appear the murderer was anxious or in a hurry.

 

[cherrybier]

Hhhmmm, so like I stated in my post -certainly didn’t appear the murderer was anxious or in a hurry.

Yeah I can't rationalise being spooked by a van and having time to place some sticks in weird positions. Pointless imo.

 

[Dotta]

"Accused killer Richard Allen​

could face 130 years in prison​

as Delphi murder jury begins deliberations."​

Murder case of accused murderer Richard Allen case goes to Delphi jury

Jurors in Delphi, Indiana will deliberate the fate of Richard Allen after hearing closing arguments this morning as he faces 130 years in prison for the murder of Libby German and Abby Williams.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[photographer4]

Abby is a mystery. The state did not explain her death at all imo.

clean hands. In some of Libby’s clothes. Where were her clothes (I know never found). What the h*ll happened to these kids!! The state didn’t clear it up for me. They made it all more confusing imo.