Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[JLZ]

EP is continually changing facts, when questioned.
Perhaps she didn't think she would be questioned, and had not thought of answers beforehand.

You would think, if she was telling the truth, her story wouldn't be changing: she is not remembering, what she had previously stated, while trying to cover lies.

I'm actually wondering if she's ever told the truth in her life.

 

[mamamama9873]

Yes, it appears the Health Officer, Sally Ann Atkinson, was already starting to notice some inconsistencies in EP’s answers to her questions about the mushrooms.

It would have been very frustrating that EP was not answering or returning calls and taking up to 24 hours to reply to text messages when Ms Atkinson believed potentially deadly mushrooms might have been on grocery store shelves in Victoria.

There is more detail about communications between EP and Ms Atkinson in the Daily Mail article.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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Ms Atkinson texted Patterson at 3.50pm on August 1.
'Hi Erin, Sally from the Department of Health here,' the message started.
Ms Atkinson asked in the text for specific information including other ingredients and what drinks were served.
'I need to know what drinks were served, I need to know what shallots were used.'
Ms Atkinson also told Patterson that she needed 'more precise information about the packaging' and 'any roads you were parked on or (were) near those stores' and other landmarks.
'Just things to think about when I need to speak to you again,' Ms Atkinson ended her message.
Patterson responded at 4.08pm on August 2:
'Hi Sally I will try to get that information all to you as soon as possible,' she wrote.
'I’m just dealing with trying to manage and look after the kids in hospital here and a bit snowed under trying to manage that.
'I’ll get this info to you as soon as I can but I've just been in a couple of meetings with people at the hospital when you’ve been trying to call.'
Ms Atkinson texted Patterson back barely a minute later and asked about the kids
'Yeah they're fine thank you,' Patterson responded at 4.11pm.
'Very glad to hear that,' Ms Atkinson immediately replied.

BBM: I thought August 2nd was dehydrator dumping and phone factory reset day. Children were checked out in hospital on July 31st and EP was discharged from hospital on August 1st at 1pm.

Great sleuthing! Would be good to have a definite timeline to verify if EP was actually in the hospital when she texted she was

 

[Old Soul]

Great sleuthing! Would be good to have a definite timeline to verify if EP was actually in the hospital when she texted she was

The timeline prosecutors allege in the mushroom murder trial

The six-week murder trial of Erin Patterson is underway in the regional Victorian town of Morwell. Here's what we know so far about the case, based on material put to the jury.

www.abc.net.au

I have been referring to the ABC news timeline.

 

[Jess D]

Yes, it appears the Health Officer, Sally Ann Atkinson, was already starting to notice some inconsistencies in EP’s answers to her questions about the mushrooms.

It would have been very frustrating that EP was not answering or returning calls and taking up to 24 hours to reply to text messages when Ms Atkinson believed potentially deadly mushrooms might have been on grocery store shelves in Victoria.

There is more detail about communications between EP and Ms Atkinson in the Daily Mail article.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ms Atkinson texted Patterson at 3.50pm on August 1.
'Hi Erin, Sally from the Department of Health here,' the message started.
Ms Atkinson asked in the text for specific information including other ingredients and what drinks were served.
'I need to know what drinks were served, I need to know what shallots were used.'
Ms Atkinson also told Patterson that she needed 'more precise information about the packaging' and 'any roads you were parked on or (were) near those stores' and other landmarks.
'Just things to think about when I need to speak to you again,' Ms Atkinson ended her message.
Patterson responded at 4.08pm on August 2:
'Hi Sally I will try to get that information all to you as soon as possible,' she wrote.
'I’m just dealing with trying to manage and look after the kids in hospital here and a bit snowed under trying to manage that.
'I’ll get this info to you as soon as I can but I've just been in a couple of meetings with people at the hospital when you’ve been trying to call.'
Ms Atkinson texted Patterson back barely a minute later and asked about the kids
'Yeah they're fine thank you,' Patterson responded at 4.11pm.
'Very glad to hear that,' Ms Atkinson immediately replied.

BBM: I thought August 2nd was dehydrator dumping and phone factory reset day. Children were checked out in hospital on July 31st and EP was discharged from hospital on August 1st at 1pm.

It's actually good that Ms Atkinson has the texts between her and Erin Patterson.

 

[Jess D]

Well, either she did forage or she didn't (my strong feeling given her keen interest in mushrooms is that she did) and it surprises me that SP would not be aware of this.

I would have expected the prosecution to make this point, unless maybe they cannot locate a reliable witness.

Yes, Simon's response was odd.

 

[Scuffy35]

The timeline prosecutors allege in the mushroom murder trial

The six-week murder trial of Erin Patterson is underway in the regional Victorian town of Morwell. Here's what we know so far about the case, based on material put to the jury.

www.abc.net.au

I have been referring to the ABC news timeline.

Does anyone have a more up-to-date detailed timeline that includes what has been learned from the trial?

This ABC one doesn't seem to have even key events such as the disposal of the dehydrator or the journey for the flying lessons etc.

 

[JBowie]

I'm actually wondering if she's ever told the truth in her life.

Her stated contempt for SP and his family is likely true.

 

[JLZ]

Her stated contempt for SP and his family is likely true.

Only sort of, because she couldn't let go of wanting his family's validation. I suspect she's transferring family-of-origin issues to them--unresolved sibling rivalry.

 

[Jake18]

Yes, it appears the Health Officer, Sally Ann Atkinson, was already starting to notice some inconsistencies in EP’s answers to her questions about the mushrooms.

It would have been very frustrating that EP was not answering or returning calls and taking up to 24 hours to reply to text messages when Ms Atkinson believed potentially deadly mushrooms might have been on grocery store shelves in Victoria.

There is more detail about communications between EP and Ms Atkinson in the Daily Mail article.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ms Atkinson texted Patterson at 3.50pm on August 1.
'Hi Erin, Sally from the Department of Health here,' the message started.
Ms Atkinson asked in the text for specific information including other ingredients and what drinks were served.
'I need to know what drinks were served, I need to know what shallots were used.'
Ms Atkinson also told Patterson that she needed 'more precise information about the packaging' and 'any roads you were parked on or (were) near those stores' and other landmarks.
'Just things to think about when I need to speak to you again,' Ms Atkinson ended her message.
Patterson responded at 4.08pm on August 2:
'Hi Sally I will try to get that information all to you as soon as possible,' she wrote.
'I’m just dealing with trying to manage and look after the kids in hospital here and a bit snowed under trying to manage that.
'I’ll get this info to you as soon as I can but I've just been in a couple of meetings with people at the hospital when you’ve been trying to call.'
Ms Atkinson texted Patterson back barely a minute later and asked about the kids
'Yeah they're fine thank you,' Patterson responded at 4.11pm.
'Very glad to hear that,' Ms Atkinson immediately replied.

BBM: I thought August 2nd was dehydrator dumping and phone factory reset day. Children were checked out in hospital on July 31st and EP was discharged from hospital on August 1st at 1pm.

Good pick up. I think you’re right.

Monday the 31st EP went to hospital and then left and came back . Her children went to school but she was convinced by the local doctor to bring them in too - “better scared and alive than dead”.

They all - EP and the children - stayed one night in hospital, not because they were unwell but because the other guests were extremely unwell and they were discharged home on the 1st August.

 

[Kemug]

Yes, Simon's response was odd.

Perhaps he was trying to protect Erin, by saying she didnt forage?

 

[mamamama9873]

Perhaps he was trying to protect Erin, by saying she didnt forage?

the source saying that she was a regular forager was a friend quoted in the Daily Mail, not generally a trustworthy media outlet.
So I would go with Simon’s statement and believe that she wasn’t known to forage.

She specifically sought out death caps and didn’t encounter them as part of a “foraging spree” JMO

 

[Kemug]

2m ago

The questions the health department asked Erin Patterson​

By Melissa Brown​

Ms Atkinson says she tried to contact Erin again on Wednesday, Aug 2, leaving a voice message saying she had further questions.

She says she didn't hear back from Erin so sent another text message with the following questions at 9.29am:

Like getting blood from a stone.

 

[L_B]

Like getting blood from a stone.

If she is innocent and truly bought deadly mushrooms wouldn’t you be trying to assist and provide information asap? Your in laws are dying but it’s fine to take several days to assist the health department in their investigation.

 

[SouthAussie]

Like getting blood from a stone.

Seriously. There was no sense of urgency at all in trying to help authorities track down the source of the poison. While her in-laws were dying terrible deaths. It is so obvious that she knew this was not a public health concern.

imo

 

[MrJ]

If she is innocent and truly bought deadly mushrooms wouldn’t you be trying to assist and provide information asap? Your in laws are dying but it’s fine to take several days to assist the health department in their investigation.

Not only that, but wouldn't you go back or contact the shop to let them know too? I mean there were so many options that EP could have taken, but that she took the slowest options is very telling. JMO

 

[Warshawski]

I just had a look at the Recipe Tin recipe (which Erin referred to) for making beef wellington. There is a step-by-step video.

There are a few things (besides the pastry coating) that might help conceal 'a very unpleasant smell'.

Basically:
First, a dijon mustard coating on the entire beef.
Second, a duxelle made with many eschalots (and the chopped mushrooms)
Third, a crepe that has been lined with prosciutto or ham.
Fourth, the puff pastry coating
Lastly, dijon mustard to seal the pastry closed.

The duxelle effectively has 3 layers on top of it - prosciutto, crepe, pastry. Then is "glued" together with mustard keeping it airtight.

Beef Wellington

It took loads of attempts but I’m proud to say I’ve finally cracked one of the trickiest of haute cuisine classics, the grand Beef Wellington. The result is incredibly juicy, edge-to-edge rose pink beef encased

www.recipetineats.com

I’m not convinced that EP put all those layers in the ‘Beef Wellington’ that she served for that deadly lunch. .
Why go to all that trouble when seemingly she produced a delicious lunch consisting of individual fillet steak & mushroom pies, accompanied by mashed potatoes, green beans .
There was no mention of prosciutto or ham and no mention of crepes found in any of the ‘left overs’ as far as I’m aware.

Oh, we later heard of packet gravy appearing for testing, however I’m a bit confused about when it suddenly came into the mix as it was in a jug, not the garbage bin.

 

[Warshawski]

2m ago

Defence finishes questioning Mr Fox-Henry​

By Kristian Silva​

The final reset from August 6 is of particular note, given prosecutors allege it occurred after the phone had been taken by police.

Prosecutors allege it was remote-wiped.

Mr Fox-Henry confirms there's no evidence that the phone contained any data when it was reset for the final time.

Mr Mandy finishes his cross-examination.

Umm .. I found it interesting, the somewhat ‘technical sounding’ questions asked by the Defence were questions Mr Fox-Henry was unable to answers.

Most likely that was because they were out of his investigation brief, or inapplicable, however I’m concerned his ‘one word answers’ may lead some to a lack of trust / confidence in his evidence.

EP pushed hard for the Trial to be held in Morwell, maybe she thought jury members drawn from those surroundings would be easier ‘fooled’. …

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m not convinced that EP put all those layers in the ‘Beef Wellington’ that she served for that deadly lunch. .
Why go to all that trouble when seemingly she produced a delicious lunch consisting of individual fillet steak & mushroom pies, accompanied by mashed potatoes, green beans .
There was no mention of prosciutto or ham and no mention of crepes found in any of the ‘left overs’ as far as I’m aware.

Oh, we later heard of packet gravy appearing for testing, however I’m a bit confused about when it suddenly came into the mix as it was in a jug, not the garbage bin.

A Recipe Tin photo showed a slice of beef wellington with gravy poured on it.

Erin referred to using the Recipe Tin recipe to her online friends.

Ian said, in his testimony, that there might have been a jug of gravy on the table.

If you watch the video, you will see that there probably isn't any way to make the duxelle stick uniformly to the beef unless it is spread on the crepe and the beef is rolled up in the crepe. First lining the crepe with prosciutto or ham would stop the mushroom mix making the crepe soggy, and making the pastry soggy - and would make the crepe a big stronger for the rolling process.

Beef Wellington

It took loads of attempts but I’m proud to say I’ve finally cracked one of the trickiest of haute cuisine classics, the grand Beef Wellington. The result is incredibly juicy, edge-to-edge rose pink beef encased

www.recipetineats.com

 

[Monstradamus]

Are we getting contradictory testimony? Didn't we get some previous info that said Erin and Simon
enjoyed foraging for shrooms?

I wish they would nail down 'what time' it was that Erin learned about her lunch guests being in the hospital.

Yes, it would be good to see a detailed timeline of events.

 

[katydid23]

And more lies. The next day while she had "explosive diarrhoea", she took a 3 hour round trip to her son's flying lessons, bought coffee and unhealthy food (although all of it could have been for her son/ children) and spent a whole 9 seconds in the toilet.

The net is closing IMO.

While battling 'explosive diarrhoea' she picked out a nice pair of cream pants to put on, for her 3 hour car trip. And later that day she served up those same leftovers for her children to eat.