Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[MrJ]

Nokia mobiles (the new versions) are the go-to for 'burner phones' - cheap and simple phones.

Hmmm.... threw the dehydrator at the tip a few days before the SIM was moved. allegedly got a burner phone. very sus IMO

 

[Detechtive]

Hmmm.... threw the dehydrator at the tip a few days before the SIM was moved. allegedly got a burner phone. very sus IMO

It could just be a cheap phone she had for her daughter, or something - I don't know. I have no idea if she bought it specifically as a burner phone, just saying that they are the cheapest simplest on the market for a disposable phone and I know in other cases that they are a go-to as a burner phone for these reasons.

 

[Walk A Mile]

She also bought 1.5kgs of Mashed potato, can't tell if this is 'instant' frozen mashed potato - or was that meant to read "mashing potato"?

Oooh, I read that she bought "1.5kg of mashed potato" and thought it was crazy that she used ready made. I hadn't thought that it might be "mashing potatoes".

I bought some mashing potatoes from Woolies last weekend. The receipt in the rewards app says "Potato mash 1.5kg". It's potatoes, not ready made mash.

 

[MrJ]

It could just be a cheap phone she had for her daughter, or something - I don't know. I have no idea if she bought it specifically as a burner phone, just saying that they are the cheapest simplest on the market for a disposable phone and I know in other cases that they are a go-to as a burner phone for these reasons.

yeah definitely jumped to conclusions too quickly on that one. Will wait for further evidence

 

[Detechtive]

Hmmm.... threw the dehydrator at the tip a few days before the SIM was moved. allegedly got a burner phone. very sus IMO

I can't believe the gall of her to tamper with evidence while the police were searching her house.
She moved that sim to a new phone *during the search*. No wonder she handed the phone over without hesitation at the end of the search on August 5.

 

[drsleuth]

I can't believe the gall of her to tamper with evidence while the police were searching her house.
She moved that sim to a new phone *during the search*. No wonder she handed the phone over without hesitation at the end of the search on August 5.

I wonder if we'll hear if the police asked her if that was the only phone she had & she answered yes?

 

[Detechtive]

Oooh, I read that she bought "1.5kg of mashed potato" and thought it was crazy that she used ready made. I hadn't thought that it might be "mashing potatoes".

I bought some mashing potatoes from Woolies last weekend. The receipt in the rewards app says "Potato mash 1.5kg". It's potatoes, not ready made mash.

Ah, thank you. Yes I think they must be mashing potatoes, rather than 1.5kg of mashed potato.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago

Search for second phone
By Mikaela Ortolan

A further search warrant was executed at Erin Patterson's home on November 22, 2023.

The purpose of that search was to locate several items including the other mobile phone we have been hearing about.

LSC Eppingstall says that phone "has never been located by police".

On that, we break for lunch.

 

[Detechtive]

I wonder if we'll hear if the police asked her if that was the only phone she had & she answered yes?

It seems odd to me that she would discard that phone she only just purchased. You can see in her text messages to friends that she thought $400 was a high price to pay for it, so it makes even less sense that you would get rid of it when you only had it for 6 months.

Also, the sniffer dogs search for the glue on the circuit boards of all devices. Now it makes sense why they sent them in there, to find that phone.

The fact they never found it at the house, shows it was disposed of somewhere else, otherwise the dogs would have detected it on the premises.

So she's disposed of it between the first search in August 2023 and the second search in November 2023.

 

[MrJ]

Why throw out the second phone?

Well, same question as to why you would throw out a dehydrator. IMO there was something there that she must not have wanted anyone to know about. moo

 

[Detechtive]

Why throw out the second phone?

Well, same question as to why you would throw out a dehydrator. IMO there was something there that she must not have wanted anyone to know about. moo

And something really bad, too.

She also remotely reset the other phone (Phone B) after it was in police custody and after locally resetting it 3 times prior! So she must have been paranoid that it showed something too, considering that it was only used since July 11 that year. She was probably concerned they would find her gps/ mobile tower disposing the dehydrator on that one, IMO.

The other phone (Phone A) must have been the one she searched for death caps, etc on, and the one she used for her trips to pick them, IMO.

This is all very premeditated looking behaviour, in my opinion.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

A female Police officer should have searched her before continuing to search her premises.

Then an officer should have sat down with her, watching, while the rest of the police conducted their search and recorded

Silly move by the police

 

[Detechtive]

A female Police officer should have searched her before continuing to search her premises.

Then an officer should have sat down with her, watching, while the rest of the police conducted their search and recorded

Silly move by the police

I think I recall that she went into her bedroom to "make a phone call" and the officer stood outside the bedroom door. This is probably when she did it. How sneaky.

 

[Detechtive]

From the Herald Sun https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecr...01ec22488a41785151bbc694b1fea#/entry/31886146

 

[katydid23]

She was referring to Simon missing bible study to see his son play basketball, I think...

Shocked Simon wasn't at his games, tbh. He was a basketball coach!

I kind of get it. He and his son had some tension/friction.

Young sons often get very upset/frustrated when their Dad's are coaches. It's a lot of pressure.

My nephew purposely played in a Little League the next town over so his Dad, a retired high school Bball coach wouldn't be so involved in his games.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I think I recall that she went into her bedroom to "make a phone call" and the officer stood outside the bedroom door. This is probably when she did it. How sneaky.

She should never have gone to a room; that room might not have been searched at the time.

She should have been sitting down, taking the phone call, and watched

The police could have also put their safety at risk, you wouldn't know if she went crazy and produced a gun or a knife.

That's also why doing a brisk search by an officer is important at the start, before the search is carried out

Just for safety, and what the offender could grab quickly and hide

 

[Detechtive]

I kind of get it. He and his son had some tension/friction.

Young sons often get very upset/frustrated when their Dad's are coaches. It's a lot of pressure.

My nephew purposely played in a Little League the next town over so his Dad, a retired high school Bball coach wouldn't be so involved in his games.

True. That could be it.

I was thinking it was probably more a case that he didn't want to be around Erin, possibly.

 

[Detechtive]

She should never have gone to a room; that room might not have been searched at the time.

She should have been sitting down, taking the phone call, and watched

The police could have also put their safety at risk, you wouldn't know if she went crazy and produced a gun or a knife.

That's also why doing a brisk search by an officer is important at the start, before the search is carried out

Just for safety, and what the offender could grab quickly and hide

Agree 100%.

 

[katydid23]

Erin Patterson murder trial day 21 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

The court hears that on 11 May 2022 the mobile seized from Patterson’s house connected to the Poowong Bay station between 17.25 to 6.29pm.

On the same day, Patterson messaged Simon at 5.49pm, the court hears.

The message reads:

Cool thanks. [our daughter] had a collision with another kid on the bbball court. Went down flat and hurt her knee. She came off crying and had a cuddle then ran back out two mins later. She’s a tough nut.

Simon replies at 10.02pm:

That’s cool. She is a tough nut and keen to play come hell or high water.

Erin replies at 10.04pm:

She’s good at dribbling while running down the court.

The jurors are then shown several Facebook messages sent by Erin to her online friends.

17 December 2022 Erin sends a Facebook message:

My phone screen is broken and it won’t respond to any commands or anything. Everything is on my phone, all my passwords are in my passwords vault and I was trying to log into it on my laptop and it was sending an authorisation email to my emails which I couldn’t access because I didn’t have my password which was inside my password vault.

On the same day Erin messages:

Anyway I’ve been googling everything trying to get into my phone and emails and just couldn’t but then something suggested I could do a hard reboot of my phone and restart it in safe mode...”

On 19 December 2022, Erin messages her online friends to say she has purchased a Samsung Galaxy A23 mobile phone.

The cheapest I could get while not being an absolute piece of phone …

Eppingstall says Patterson provided a Samsung Galaxy A23 to police after officers conducted a search of her Leongatha home on 5 August 2023.

He says the sim card in the phone was connected to a number ending in the digits “835”.

Eppingstall says searches on a database revealed the number was connected from 11 July 2023 – less than three weeks prior to the lunch.

He says the sim card was used in a tablet device until 3 August 2023 before it was put in a mobile phone and handed to police.

Eppingstall says the sim card was placed in a Samsung Galaxy A23 mobile phone.

This is the same mobile phone that the court previously heard had several factory resets performed on it, the jury is told.

Eppingstall says police also found a second mobile phone number attached to Patterson’s name. It ended in the digits “783”

Police found phone records dating back to 2019 for the phone, the court hears. The prosecution calls this “Phone A”.

The jury is then shown call charge records which Eppingstall says show the sim card is switched from “Phone A” into a different phone.

He says this was a Nokia mobile phone.

The records show it occurred at 1.45pm on 5 August 2023. Eppingstall says this was while police were searching Patterson’s house in Leongatha.

Eppingstall tells the court that police have never located Patterson’s “Phone A.”


04.47 BST
The court has adjourned for a lunch break.

The trial will resume at 2.15pm.

 

[Detechtive]

Eppingstall says the sim card was placed in a Samsung Galaxy A23 mobile phone.

This is the same mobile phone that the court previously heard had several factory resets performed on it, the jury is told.

This doesn't make sense. Phone A (The Samsung Galaxy A23) was never found. The Phone B (Nokia) was the one which Erin surrendered to police on August 5, which was remotely reset whilst in police custody, I thought...