Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

Eppingstall tells the court that police have never located Patterson’s “Phone A.”

I find it very hard to follow all of this multiple phone business and, from what has been reported so far, I have no idea what the prosecution is driving at with this evidence.

Is the suggestion/allegation that the missing Phone A is the one from which she initiated all of the resets on Phone B, and is that why it is likely missing?

What is the jury supposed to make of the missing phone?

 

[JBowie]

From the Herald Sun https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecr...01ec22488a41785151bbc694b1fea#/entry/31886146

A bit to digest? Was that a Freudian slip?

 

[Neet_Mc]

I find it very hard to follow all of this multiple phone business and, from what has been reported so far, I have no idea what the prosecution is driving at with this evidence.

Is the suggestion/allegation that the missing Phone A is the one from which she initiated all of the resets on Phone B, and is that why it is likely missing?

What is the jury supposed to make of the missing phone?

Unless something groundbreaking will
come of it, I think it is there to build an overall picture. And the SIM shift during the police visit just notched things up a level!

 

[MrJ]

if thread #11 is made while i'm asleep somebody please message me the link of the new thread, thanks!

 

[PaulaDC]

Through her lies she mentions purchasing the mushrooms at a Asian store. If she bought all her sliced mushrooms when she did her food runs why did she not just say that? Why pull another store into her story? Did she think that there was no oversight on Asian mushrooms verses Woolworths large store food oversight? That alone is suspicious in my opinion. She obviously poisoned everyone and was very careful about how she accomplished this but my only question is did she want to just make them sick or actually kill them. Being her husband more than likely survived past encounters with her wrath I wonder if death was not her endgame. She did kill them in the end so her sentence will be based on that but that question still makes me curious as to her intentions.

 

[SouthAussie]

I find it very hard to follow all of this multiple phone business and, from what has been reported so far, I have no idea what the prosecution is driving at with this evidence.

I think it goes a long way to showing her deceptive and brazen nature.

imo

 

[Megnut]

She didn't buy ingredients for Carbonara. So she already knew her dehydrated mushrooms were too pungent for that recipe. It appears that she built a menu around dried mushrooms she intended to use, without notice.

To serve at a luncheon to discuss a cancer she didn't have.

JMO

 

[JBowie]

I think it goes a long way to showing her deceptive and brazen nature.

imo

I guess.

As I've said here before, with its days of medical witness testimony and now the phone business, this is a tech-heavy case and I hope that the prosecution puts a lot of effort into making a clear and understandable case against her in its summation.

 

[JBowie]

OK, so this (pay-walled) article in The Australian reports that police say that EP swapped out SIM cards while police were searching her house, presumably during a time when she was police say “allowed to use a mobile phone in a room alone without observation”.

Also, EP was in the company of those police except when she went to the bathroom. I have to wonder what got flushed.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/erin-patterson-trial-sim-cards-swapped-during-police-search-court-hears/news-story/970262b25eebf677691240f37c219cf9

 

[bikerchick]

Has anyone done a time line of events listing out when Erin was informed of the illness of her guests - it's all getting a bit convoluted. Surely she would have known her guests had died or severely unwell when the police came knocking?

 

[JBowie]

Has anyone done a time line of events listing out when Erin was informed of the illness of her guests - it's all getting a bit convoluted. Surely she would have known her guests had died or severely unwell when the police came knocking?

Convoluted is the word, certainly for those of us outside the court and relying on media people for reports.

I'm hoping that the prosecution will present to the jury an orderly, clear timeline of events in their summing up.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Erin Patterson told her former in-laws she had a biopsy done on a lump and needed an MRI weeks before the accused triple murderer served them a poisonous lunch, a jury has been told.

When Gail and Don Patterson checked up on how those medical tests went, on July 7, 2023, Patterson replied by text message: "There's a bit to digest with everything that's come out of it all."

"I might talk more about it with you both when I see you in person. Love Erin," the message sent to Gail's phone said

Mushroom murder detective details cook's cancer claims

Prosecutors allege Erin Patterson used a false cancer diagnosis to get members of her estranged husband's family to come to her home for the fatal lunch.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[dalsglen]

Has anyone done a time line of events listing out when Erin was informed of the illness of her guests - it's all getting a bit convoluted. Surely she would have known her guests had died or severely unwell when the police came knocking?

I think the texts from Simon will reveal a lot.

 

[MsMarple]

It boggles the mind that the accused went to such lengths to obstruct the investigation by hiding the contents of her phone. And then to lie about the source of the mushrooms, thus delaying a clear diagnosis.

It’s hard to ignore the probability that her actions were intentional, designed to prevent her guests from receiving treatment for as long as possible. IOW to ensure they’d die.

And much of her previous medical history is self reported with no evidence to support at least some of her claims. Smoke and mirrors blown into the faces of the jury IMO.

How much of the accused’s fairy tales will the jury believe? Hard to tell. She once allegedly wrote about the local community, calling them “illiterate <bad word>’s.”

Mushroom chef's Facebook messages leak

Mushroom chef Erin Patterson lashed out at her local community while putting together the local newspaper, an insider has revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JennieM]

Erin Patterson told her former in-laws she had a biopsy done on a lump and needed an MRI weeks before the accused triple murderer served them a poisonous lunch, a jury has been told.

When Gail and Don Patterson checked up on how those medical tests went, on July 7, 2023, Patterson replied by text message: "There's a bit to digest with everything that's come out of it all."

"I might talk more about it with you both when I see you in person. Love Erin," the message sent to Gail's phone said

Mushroom murder detective details cook's cancer claims

Prosecutors allege Erin Patterson used a false cancer diagnosis to get members of her estranged husband's family to come to her home for the fatal lunch.

www.1news.co.nz

I remember someone saying upthread that maybe she misunderstood something the doctor said and maybe she thought she had cancer when she didn’t, giving her the benefit of the doubt. Confusing an actual biopsy? You don’t confuse that. You know if you had one or not, and she didn’t, and she lied, and she is reprehensible.

 

[Bats]

I cannot wait to hear about any texts between Simon and Erin following the hospitalisations of Don, Gail, Heather and Ian.

I chuckled at her putting her sim in the old Nokia. Must've thought the police were stupid.

I don't expect we'll be seeing those texts. The prosecution have presented all their evidence.
That is unless the defence present them as evidence.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone done a time line of events listing out when Erin was informed of the illness of her guests - it's all getting a bit convoluted. Surely she would have known her guests had died or severely unwell when the police came knocking?

I don't think there is any way that Simon would have called Erin on the Sunday after the lunch at 11:08am and 2:23pm and not spoken about the poisonings and asked how the kids were.

The prosecution had these calls highlighted on their evidence exhibit.

imo

One highlighted call was on 30 July 2023 at 11.08am. Eppingstall says the call records show a phone call from Simon to Patterson.

Another highlighted call at 2.23pm shows a call from Simon to Patterson lasting six minutes and 6 seconds, Eppingstall says.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 21 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[Two SCents]

I find it very hard to follow all of this multiple phone business and, from what has been reported so far, I have no idea what the prosecution is driving at with this evidence.

Is the suggestion/allegation that the missing Phone A is the one from which she initiated all of the resets on Phone B, and is that why it is likely missing?

What is the jury supposed to make of the missing phone?

It would be circumstantial evidence along the lines of "consciousness of guilt lies" which are told to hide the truth. The prosecution will say deleting what was on the phone was done due to a consciousness of guilt and from there inferences will be drawn. Inferences can be bothersome though because they can be assumptions which may or may not be correct imo. Lies can be for more than one reason and deleting what is on the phone could be for more than one reason.

 

[Monstradamus]

It would be circumstantial evidence along the lines of "consciousness of guilt lies" which are told to hide the truth.... I think. The prosecution will say deleting what was on the phone was done due to a consciousness of guilt and from there inferences will be drawn. Inferences can be bothersome though because they can be assumptions which may or may not be correct imo. Lies can be for more than one reason and deleting what is on the phone could be for more than one reason.

A person lies to cover the truth, there appears to be a lot of lies told by the Defendant. Panic, or self preservation?

 

[Two SCents]

A person lies to cover the truth, there appears to be a lot of lies told by the Defendant. Panic, or self preservation?

Both