Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

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  • #681
Mandy and Patterson should be apologizing for wasting the court's time.

It's like Mandy is putting off the inevitable for as long as he possibly can but no matter how long he prolongs this, the prosecution are going to get their shot at Patterson.
 
  • #682
Mandy and Patterson should be apologizing for wasting the court's time.

It's like Mandy is putting off the inevitable for as long as he possibly can but no matter how long he prolongs this, the prosecution are going to get their shot at Patterson.
If they are trying to prolong that, then why did EP get on the stand in the first place? They would all know the prosecution would cross-examine her.
 
  • #683
Mandy and Patterson should be apologizing for wasting the court's time.

It's like Mandy is putting off the inevitable for as long as he possibly can but no matter how long he prolongs this, the prosecution are going to get their shot at Patterson.
The prosecution made the objection
 
  • #684
1m ago
Another 15 minute break

By Joseph Dunstan

There's a bit of a delay in the public hearing resuming, with Justice Beale calling for another 15 minute break.

We'll bring you updates when they come to hand.
 
  • #685
The prosecution made the objection
I'm referring to the endless irrelevance that continues to be served up.

Hopefully that is the basis of their objection. It ought to be.
 
  • #686
I'm referring to the endless irrelevance that continues to be served up.

Hopefully that is the basis of their objection. It ought to be.
If she wants to share her life story, she can write a memoir... although hopefully from a place where laws prevent profiting from the story...
 
  • #687
I think that Erin's brain works very differently to how 'normal' people think and if you read her testimony so far without bias, she reads as someone who has hypochondria and bulimia. Many personality disorders can be associated with these eg BPD and she definitely seems narcissistic, but TBH I think she is coming across very well so far. For the most part, other than the ranting to her Fbook friends, she communicates in a reasonable way albeit passive aggressive. Even Simon downplayed what she called shouting.
It is really easy to let bias influence what you read. Her personality, life experiences and perceptions are what influences how she thinks, feels and behaves. It is only the evidenced behaviours that we are privy to. Nothing else should be up for judgement.
I am really interested to see how the rest of her story unfolds.
So much of what we (yes me too) have thought about why she behaved how she did could be quite wrong, only time will tell......
 
  • #688
I think that Erin's brain works very differently to how 'normal' people think and if you read her testimony so far without bias, she reads as someone who has hypochondria and bulimia. Many personality disorders can be associated with these eg BPD and she definitely seems narcissistic, but TBH I think she is coming across very well so far. For the most part, other than the ranting to her Fbook friends, she communicates in a reasonable way albeit passive aggressive. Even Simon downplayed what she called shouting.
It is really easy to let bias influence what you read. Her personality, life experiences and perceptions are what influences how she thinks, feels and behaves. It is only the evidenced behaviours that we are privy to. Nothing else should be up for judgement.
I am really interested to see how the rest of her story unfolds.
So much of what we (yes me too) have thought about why she behaved how she did could be quite wrong, only time will tell......
A Passive-Aggressive personality is exactly the type to be a poisoner. They want revenge, but don't want it to be obvious.
 
  • #689
OH MY! I think that the 'eating disorder' narrative might be included so that Erin can claim she vomited up her Beef Wellington?
 
  • #690
1.00pm

How COVID lockdown walks sparked Erin Patterson’s interest in wild mushrooms​

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Erin Patterson has now started talking about mushrooms: how she loved to eat them, cook with them, too.

Patterson told the jury she would use them in curries or pasta dishes, soups and spaghetti. There was something about exotic mushrooms that tasted “more interesting”, she told the jury, and they had more flavour.

Patterson is being questioned about her past use of mushrooms in cooking by her defence barrister, Colin Mandy, SC.

The jury is shown messages sent by Patterson to online friends about her “hiding mushrooms in everything” and images she sent the friends of a dehydrator with mushrooms on the trays.

Patterson told the court she had an interest in wild mushrooms since early 2020. “The first COVID lockdown, when you are allowed [outside] for an hour a day, I would force the children to go out and get away from their devices for an hour,” she said.

The family would go to the Korumburra Gardens or the Rail Trail, and that was where she first spotted wild mushrooms. “It would have been the end of March, early April,” she said.

She said she had always enjoyed eating mushrooms. “They taste good and are very healthy,” she said. “I’d buy all the different types that Woolies would sell.”

Patterson said she would also get different types of mushrooms from farmers’ markets and grocers in Melbourne, including Asian stores she would visit while staying in the city with the children during school holidays.

1.08pm

From garden fork to kitchen fork: How Erin Patterson’s fascination with mushrooms grew​

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Erin Patterson is continuing to tell the jury about her interest in mushrooms, which started with a love of their flavour and widened when she noticed wild mushrooms on the limited walks Victorians were allowed during COVID lockdown periods.

Patterson said mushrooms also grew at her former property in Korumburra, where she moved to in 2017 or 2018. She said she first noticed the mushrooms when her dog was eating them and picked them up to identify them and check if they were poisonous.

“As far as I could see, there were ones that were potentially edible, but there was one species that I was a bit worried about,” she said.

“There’s Facebook groups for mushroom lovers ... where people share what they found and talk about the identify. I scrolled a lot of them.”

Patterson said she was eventually confident the mushrooms growing in the paddocks of her three-acre property were field and horse mushrooms, so she cut a piece of one mushroom, friend it with butter and ate it.

“They tasted good and I didn’t get sick,” she said.

Patterson said that from then on, whenever she would see the same mushrooms growing in the paddocks, she would pick them and eat them.

“Sometimes [I would] put them in meals we all ate,” she said.

Patterson said she chopped mushrooms small so her children wouldn’t pick them.

1.12pm

Erin Patterson stands as the jury leaves for lunch​

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The accused woman stood as the jury left for the lunch break, tapping her right fingers on the bench as she waited for them to leave.

Seated at the bar table are Crown prosecutors Nanette Rogers, SC, and Sarah Lenthall. For the defence, are barristers Colin Mandy, SC, and Sophie Stafford.

On the walls above the jury is Indigenous artwork. The courtroom’s seats are full. In front of the legal teams, the bench is filled with folders of papers, laptops, books and notes.

We will return with more live updates after the lunch break. Follow our live updates.

I just don’t get it; here’s Erin singing the praises of wild mushrooms, so healthy and delicious.

My goodness, if mushrooms I fed to my family ended up killing all but one I’d never want to ever see another mushroom. Yet she sits in the witness box, completely tone deaf.

I wonder what Ian thinks about her testimony?
 
  • #691
A Passive-Aggressive personality is exactly the type to be poisoner. They want revenge, but don't want it to be obvious.
I was just describing her communication style as being passive aggressive (at times) but in saying that even if that is her personality type it doesn't automatically make her a murderer, same for many other personality disorders...
 
  • #692
I was just describing her communication style as being passive aggressive (at times) but in saying that even if that is her personality type it doesn't automatically make her a murderer, same for many other personality disorders...
To me it makes her more likely to have done it, not less. On top of the rage she expressed for her in-laws.
 
  • #693
IMO, Simon only being required to pay $40 per month to Erin in child support is really unfair, no matter what her financial situation was. Yes, he covered costs for the children's school fees up until the beginning of 2023 (i think), but $20 per month per child is a pittance! It would barely cover snacks for one weekend and It certainly doesn't paint him as a doting, dedicated and supportive father. Not that this is any sort of excuse for the crimes committed against his family, but objectively speaking, its pretty horrible.

I think that he definitely was trying to extract himself from the toxic relationship and i wonder if he had told his parents to put distance between them and her for the sake of the separation and needing to move on... and she didnt (obviously) take it well.
 
  • #694
I think that Erin's brain works very differently to how 'normal' people think and if you read her testimony so far without bias, she reads as someone who has hypochondria and bulimia. Many personality disorders can be associated with these eg BPD and she definitely seems narcissistic, but TBH I think she is coming across very well so far. For the most part, other than the ranting to her Fbook friends, she communicates in a reasonable way albeit passive aggressive. Even Simon downplayed what she called shouting.
It is really easy to let bias influence what you read. Her personality, life experiences and perceptions are what influences how she thinks, feels and behaves. It is only the evidenced behaviours that we are privy to. Nothing else should be up for judgement.
I am really interested to see how the rest of her story unfolds.
So much of what we (yes me too) have thought about why she behaved how she did could be quite wrong, only time will tell......
But alot of what Erin says can't be verified. Is it the truth or a story to explain away her actions??

I just can't get over her lying when asked by medical staff & the Public Health unit if she foraged mushrooms & she flat out refused to say she did, all the while 4 or her much loved relatives are dying a truly agonising death, that she could have maybe prevented. 3 died & 1 survived ( miraculously )

Instead she choose to deceive & cry foul that "nobody was telling me anything"
 
  • #695
To me it makes her more likely to have done it, not less. On top of the rage she expressed for her in-laws.
Again respectfully, I think a lot of emphasis has been put on those comments. Her description of the group and their familiarity made it seem highly likely that she was just having a rant, something that a lot of people do over a drink with a friend that isn't then enshrined 'in ink' for all to see.
 
  • #696
They do get auto entry, but only after they have already testified. They aren't allowed to view the court proceedings until they have finished giving evidence.
Thanks for clarifying. Makes sense really.
 
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  • #697
i also think its quite telling that as someone who overshared her medical anxieties with her ex-husband ad-nauseam and seemly most minute day-to-day interests or activities with him/the family, that she failed to mention this "hobby" of mushroom foraging with them...
 
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The public hearing is yet to resume
By Joseph Dunstan

There's a bit of a delay in the public hearing resuming.

We'll bring you updates when they come to hand.
 
  • #699
Bingo! Now the whole world gets to see the real Erin on display- weight issues and everything.
Someone's weight should not be relevant, nor discussed. IMO
 
  • #700
Again respectfully, I think a lot of emphasis has been put on those comments. Her description of the group and their familiarity made it seem highly likely that she was just having a rant, something that a lot of people do over a drink with a friend that isn't then enshrined 'in ink' for all to see.

I disagree. Having a rant would be saying "my mother in-law got on my nerves today! I'm feeling frustrated that she goes against what I want for my daughter". Or "Simon is P***ing me off lately. I wish he would understand my side of the story!"

As opposed to: "This family OH MY F*** GOD!", "I don't want anything to do with them", "They're lost causes". "Simon is a deadbeat father", "My son hates him!!"

The latter shows rage/contempt and complete disrespect.
 
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