Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

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  • #661
1 hour ago - 12:53 PMMax Corstorphan

‘I chopped them up very small, so they couldn’t pick them out’: Patterson fed wild mushrooms to kids​

Ms Patterson said that as she better learnt to identify some wild mushrooms, she eventually tried some that were growing on her property.

After trying them herself, Ms Patterson said she “put them in meals we all ate”, speaking about meals for her and her children.

“I chopped them up very small, so they couldn’t pick them out.”

After those comments, the prosecution asked to raise a concern, with the jury sent out of the courtroom.

55 minutes ago - 01:02 PMMax Corstorphan

Court adjourned for lunch break after objection​

The court has been adjourned for lunch after an objection was raised over Ms Patterson’s evidence.

 
  • #662
They can't stop her , can only give her advice, which I guess she didn't take
Can't imagine they wouldn't have tried to stop her.

This is isn't a cool, calculated Greg Lynn taking the stand. This is an emotional, already proven serial liar who may very well succeed in eliminating all doubt of her guilt by the time the prosecution are finished with her.
 
  • #663
I actually wondered if Erin’s hypochondria made her fish out a doctor who would finally operate on an otherwise manageable knee issue.

As for her traumatic birth, sounds pretty routine for a c-section situation where they would have previously used forceps and vacuum extraction.

The health anxiety is alarming me when she also includes that she delayed her midwifery and nursing degree because her daughter is sick. Not sick enough she couldn’t go to school full time, though, or to ballet lessons, so what is her illness, I wonder. Hopefully not gastrointestinal issues 😳 Or is it Erin conflating illness for control and attention and sympathy, again…
What strikes me is that anyone with children could also make their medical encounters equally pseudodramatic but most people have a better sense of perspective. The same goes with her social responses, I think. Normal conflictual interactions are elevated by Erin into personal grievances.

Just thinking about some of my children’s hospital encounters :

Child 2 : after 5 days of fevers at about 7 months of age with no obvious other focus she gets taken to children’s ED. Investigations seem fine, we go home and then OMG they missed a UTI and she was just a baby and could have died and we were so worried and we had to go back and stay the night !!!!

In reality: clean catch urine micro seemed ok, not many white cells but later grew a pure growth of Ecoli so we were asked to come back, she had a night of iv antibiotics and went home and had been fine for the last 17 years 😀.

Or :

Child 4 : tripped onto shingle playing sport, sustained a meaty laceration to his knee. OMG sooo much blood!! We were told he needed an operation but then he was just sutured under gas and now he has a terrible scar and I feel terrible whenever he wears shorts!

Reality: he was such a good kid he tolerated a full wash out without a full anaesthetic and none of us care at all about his scar. He’s a very active boy - there will be more, probably,
 
  • #664
6 minutes ago - 12:05 PMMax Corstorphan

Patterson claims ex-partner wanted a ‘mediator’ brought in​

Erin Patterson is now giving “context” around a series of messages between her and Simon Patterson, regarding issues she and her former partner were having over finances and their son.

Ms Patterson told the court she thought Don and Gail Patterson could help the former couple reach an agreement, like they had in the past.

Ms Patterson said that her in-laws came to visit her in the hope of assisting, however, Mr Patterson later said a professional “mediator” should be used.

I don’t understand why they didn’t use a lawyer and accountant in the first place to settle their finances. A lot of aggravation could have been saved as it appears they were arguing over a number of financial matters. Whose idea was it to do it themselves?

I also find it concerning that Erin spent so much time finding doctors to agree with her. Are Australian doctors so incompetent that she had to shop around before finding one who operated on her son? And I wonder what caused her daughter’s fecal impaction?

Of course, it may all have happened as she testified but is she trustworthy?
 
  • #665
45m ago04.09 BST
Patterson recalls a time walking in the Korumburra area when her dog ate some mushrooms.



She says she wanted to work out if the mushrooms would be a “problem” for her dog.

She says she discovered some were edible but she had concerns about one fungi species - inocybe.

37m ago13.17 AEST

Erin Patterson details her first time eating a foraged mushroom​

She says the lead up to it was a “process over several months”.

She says she was confident she knew what the field and horse mushrooms she had picked were.



Patterson said sometimes she would put mushrooms in meals she ate with her children.


I chopped them up very, very small so they couldn’t pick them out.

34m ago13.20 AEST
The court has adjourned until 2.15pm.

If my dog gobbled some wild mushrooms in front of me and I couldn't stop them from swallowing them, I'd be calling my vet asap or poison control, not doing internet research on my own on them.
 
  • #666
1.00pm

How COVID lockdown walks sparked Erin Patterson’s interest in wild mushrooms​

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Erin Patterson has now started talking about mushrooms: how she loved to eat them, cook with them, too.

Patterson told the jury she would use them in curries or pasta dishes, soups and spaghetti. There was something about exotic mushrooms that tasted “more interesting”, she told the jury, and they had more flavour.

Patterson is being questioned about her past use of mushrooms in cooking by her defence barrister, Colin Mandy, SC.

The jury is shown messages sent by Patterson to online friends about her “hiding mushrooms in everything” and images she sent the friends of a dehydrator with mushrooms on the trays.

Patterson told the court she had an interest in wild mushrooms since early 2020. “The first COVID lockdown, when you are allowed [outside] for an hour a day, I would force the children to go out and get away from their devices for an hour,” she said.

The family would go to the Korumburra Gardens or the Rail Trail, and that was where she first spotted wild mushrooms. “It would have been the end of March, early April,” she said.

She said she had always enjoyed eating mushrooms. “They taste good and are very healthy,” she said. “I’d buy all the different types that Woolies would sell.”

Patterson said she would also get different types of mushrooms from farmers’ markets and grocers in Melbourne, including Asian stores she would visit while staying in the city with the children during school holidays.

1.08pm

From garden fork to kitchen fork: How Erin Patterson’s fascination with mushrooms grew​

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Erin Patterson is continuing to tell the jury about her interest in mushrooms, which started with a love of their flavour and widened when she noticed wild mushrooms on the limited walks Victorians were allowed during COVID lockdown periods.

Patterson said mushrooms also grew at her former property in Korumburra, where she moved to in 2017 or 2018. She said she first noticed the mushrooms when her dog was eating them and picked them up to identify them and check if they were poisonous.

“As far as I could see, there were ones that were potentially edible, but there was one species that I was a bit worried about,” she said.

“There’s Facebook groups for mushroom lovers ... where people share what they found and talk about the identify. I scrolled a lot of them.”

Patterson said she was eventually confident the mushrooms growing in the paddocks of her three-acre property were field and horse mushrooms, so she cut a piece of one mushroom, friend it with butter and ate it.

“They tasted good and I didn’t get sick,” she said.

Patterson said that from then on, whenever she would see the same mushrooms growing in the paddocks, she would pick them and eat them.

“Sometimes [I would] put them in meals we all ate,” she said.

Patterson said she chopped mushrooms small so her children wouldn’t pick them.

1.12pm

Erin Patterson stands as the jury leaves for lunch​

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The accused woman stood as the jury left for the lunch break, tapping her right fingers on the bench as she waited for them to leave.

Seated at the bar table are Crown prosecutors Nanette Rogers, SC, and Sarah Lenthall. For the defence, are barristers Colin Mandy, SC, and Sophie Stafford.

On the walls above the jury is Indigenous artwork. The courtroom’s seats are full. In front of the legal teams, the bench is filled with folders of papers, laptops, books and notes.

We will return with more live updates after the lunch break. Follow our live updates.

 
  • #667
I don’t understand why they didn’t use a lawyer and accountant in the first place to settle their finances. A lot of aggravation could have been saved as it appears they were arguing over a number of financial matters. Whose idea was it to do it themselves?

I also find it concerning that Erin spent so much time finding doctors to agree with her. Are Australian doctors so incompetent that she had to shop around before finding one who operated on her son? And I wonder what caused her daughter’s fecal impaction?

Of course, it may all have happened as she testified but is she trustworthy?

There seems to always be ONE doctor who will operate - usually specialists. My sister was told she needed surgery on her knee, but she shopped around to find other opinions and her knee has been fixed with physio and strapping and rehab, avoiding surgery.

My niece had tonsillitis once and the surgeon insisted on an operation, but the parents waited, and she never had tonsillitis again.

It seems like Erin might be the opposite.

There are some cut-happy doctors out there. It's not necessarily incompetence, it's just that they are trained that surgical intervention is king. It is not always necessary, though.

I'm frankly VERY surprised that a surgeon would operate on a pubescent teens knee, given how much their bones rapidly grow in that age group, unless of course, it was a car accident or trauma based injury which was essential.
 
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  • #668
I feel sorry for this jury, endless late starts & delays. I'd love to know what they are thinking. Seems Erin turns on the tears in the court room.
 
  • #669
It's odd that she was a hypochondriac except when her children were suspected to have eaten deadly mushrooms.
Exactly. The “demanding answers” type for her daughter with constipation but suddenly super chilled when they may have ingested deadly mushrooms
 
  • #670
I feel sorry for this jury, endless late starts & delays. I'd love to know what they are thinking. Seems Erin turns on the tears in the court room.

I feel sorry for them having to listen to Erin's irrelevant life journey.
 
  • #671
I hope we'll be hearing about the actual day of the lunch soon.
 
  • #672
None of what Erin has said so far has made me think better of her. Actually it has had the opposite effect. I didn't think I could think worse, but here we are
 
  • #673
None of what Erin has said so far has made me think better of her. Actually it has had the opposite effect. I didn't think I could think worse, but here we are

That's why i'm scratching my head at the defence strategy.
 
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Just out of curiosity, do those like Simon and Ian, or anyone who played a role in the case as a witness or expert, get automatic entry to the public gallery? Surely they're not expected to line up from before dawn to ensure they get to see the entire trial?
 
  • #676
Just out of curiosity, do those like Simon and Ian, or anyone who played a role in the case as a witness or expert, get automatic entry to the public gallery? Surely they're not expected to line up from before dawn to ensure they get to see the entire trial?

They do get auto entry, but only after they have already testified. They aren't allowed to view the court proceedings until they have finished giving evidence.
 
  • #677
now05.35 BST
We’re waiting for the jury to return to the court room in Morwell

Prior to the lunch break, the prosecution asked to raise an issue in the absence of the jury.

We’ll bring you more updates once the Erin Patterson trial resumes.

 
  • #678
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Five things the court heard before the lunch break

By Joseph Dunstan

This morning, Erin Patterson was questioned by her barrister, Colin Mandy SC, for several hours.

These are some of the things the court heard:

Ms Patterson told the court she was "ashamed" by messages she sent to friends making highly disparaging comments about the Patterson family. "I wish I'd never said it," she said. "I feel ashamed for saying it and I wish that the family didn't have to hear that I said that."
She said her Facebook friends formed a supportive "cheer squad" as she and Simon went through a disagreement over finances, and that she played up the emotions of the situation to them to ensure they would "rally" around her.
Ms Patterson said she became interested in wild mushrooms while going on walks during the first COVID lockdowns in 2020.
Erin said as a girl, her mother had weighed her weekly and she had struggled with her body image throughout her life, including periods of eating disorders. (As the evidence turns to the discussion of body image, a reminder you can access the Butterfly Foundation if this raises any issues for you.)
Erin spoke about several experiences, including episodes of poor health with her children, that had eroded her trust in the medical system.
 
  • #679
12 minutes ago - 02:31 PMMax Corstorphan

Court has resumed, however Patterson’s further evidence has been delayed​

The court has returned from lunch, however, Justice Christopher Beale and lead defence lawyer Colin Mandy SC are discussing an objection raised regarding Erin Patterson’s evidence from the prosecution.

 
  • #680
It might be leading up to saying she hardly ate any of the lunch, because she has emotional issues with food and this was a stressful occasion.
and made herself vomit afterwards which protected her from being as sick as she might have been...???
 
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