Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

What about her sister?

She is estranged from her sister and may not even be able to give contact details for a next of kin reference.

 

[MrJ]

I'm not diagnosing here but a narcissist is all about controlling the narrative. As is the defence's job too, but only a narcissist too wants to share all the details. Sure, a traumatic birth is definitely sad, but... why? What purpose does it serve? I hope the poor son isn't embarrassed by that detail being shared to the general public.

 

[Detechtive]

I'm not diagnosing here but a narcissist is all about controlling the narrative. As is the defence's job too, but only a narcissist too wants to share all the details. Sure, a traumatic birth is definitely sad, but... why? What purpose does it serve? I hope the poor son isn't embarrassed by that detail being shared to the general public.

In my opinion narcissism is the least of the issues. A very rare combination of Sociopathy and bpd are more likely, in my non psychological and non medical opinion.

 

[MrJ]

sorry that was a stuff up

but yes, BPD by itself can be treated and not everyone with it is violent. but the sociopathy makes it more dangerous. pretty scary

 

[JBowie]

I'm not diagnosing here but a narcissist is all about controlling the narrative. As is the defence's job too, but only a narcissist too wants to share all the details. Sure, a traumatic birth is definitely sad, but... why? What purpose does it serve? I hope the poor son isn't embarrassed by that detail being shared to the general public.

Reminds me of a dear little dog I had many years ago. Any time she was 'in trouble' she would lie on her back and lick her tummy where the stitches were when she was desexed years before.

 

[Detechtive]

sorry that was a stuff up

but yes, BPD by itself can be treated and not everyone with it is violent. but the sociopathy makes it more dangerous. pretty scary

The bpd is the “I hate you, don’t leave me” and hysteria. The sociopathy is lack of empathy and emotions. They’re at odds, as far as I know and a very rare dual diagnosis. The only person I have seen similar is Jodi Arias in the USA.

 

[Detechtive]

Putting aside the fact that this was important to do on the defence's side, if I was a proven and repeated liar throughout my own criminal trial, and I decided to give evidence on the witness stand, would that enhance my credibility given the background evidence already presented at my trial?

They don’t have anyone to give good character references, imo. They are desperate and Erin as we have seen in her lies to the media when she released that statement full of lies after failing to cooperate with police, etc is her only chance at redemption.

I don’t think it will go well for her. There’s a reason the vast majority of defence barristers will highly advocate not taking the stand. But at the end of the day, they probably don’t have much to lose and the decision is hers alone. She instructs her barristers, not the reverse.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She’s Simon’s family’s PR

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

In my opinion narcissism is the least of the issues. A very rare combination of Sociopathy and bpd are more likely, in my non psychological and non medical opinion.

You would have to have sociopathic traits to do what she did...

 

[katydid23]

I’m shocked, I didn’t expect this.

I expected her to take the stand. She cannot tell 'her version' of events without taking the stand.

We will now hear why she went to Outrim area. We will hear why she didn't want her kids to go to the hospital at first. We will hear how dizzy and nauseous she was the night of the luncheon. And that she didn't know the 4 guests were seriously ill because no one told her so. etc

This is a critical decision. It will either be a brilliant decision and she will clear up all the questions and explain some of the incriminating bad facts, or it won't.

 

[drsleuth]

12m ago08.02 BST

What the jury heard today​

Here’s a recap of what the jury heard on day 24 of Patterson’s trial.

1. Patterson entered the witness box to begin testifying in her triple murder trial. Members of the Patterson and Wilkinson families, including Ian Wilkinson, were in the court.
2. The accused said in the months prior to the July 2023 lunch she felt her relationship with the Patterson family, particularly her in-laws Don and Gail, had “a bit more distance”. She said from the start of 2023 her relationship with her estranged husband, Simon, was “functional” and the pair communicated mainly about logistical matters.
3. Patterson had a “never-ending battle of low self-esteem” for most of her adult life, she told the court. She said around the time of the lunch she was planning to have gastric bypass surgery for weight loss.
4. Defence lawyer Colin Mandy SC asked his client about the tension in her relationship with Simon, which involved multiple separations between 2009 and 2015. She said the pair “just couldn’t communicate well” when they had a disagreement. “We would just feel hurt,” she said.
5. The prosecution closed its case on Monday afternoon before Patterson entered the witness box. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 24 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

 

[drsleuth]

12m ago08.02 BST

What the jury heard today​

Here’s a recap of what the jury heard on day 24 of Patterson’s trial.

1. Patterson entered the witness box to begin testifying in her triple murder trial. Members of the Patterson and Wilkinson families, including Ian Wilkinson, were in the court.
2. The accused said in the months prior to the July 2023 lunch she felt her relationship with the Patterson family, particularly her in-laws Don and Gail, had “a bit more distance”. She said from the start of 2023 her relationship with her estranged husband, Simon, was “functional” and the pair communicated mainly about logistical matters.
3. Patterson had a “never-ending battle of low self-esteem” for most of her adult life, she told the court. She said around the time of the lunch she was planning to have gastric bypass surgery for weight loss.
4. Defence lawyer Colin Mandy SC asked his client about the tension in her relationship with Simon, which involved multiple separations between 2009 and 2015. She said the pair “just couldn’t communicate well” when they had a disagreement. “We would just feel hurt,” she said.
5. The prosecution closed its case on Monday afternoon before Patterson entered the witness box. She has pleaded not guilty to all charges.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 24 – as it happened

This blog is now closed

www.theguardian.com

BBM : I wonder if there is any evidence of this.

Had she tried other methods of weight loss??

Did she see her GP & get a referral to a bariatric surgeon?

Did she meet the criteria?

Gastric bypass surgery

Gastric bypass surgery helps you lose weight by changing how your stomach and small intestine absorb food. It is usually very effective.

www.healthdirect.gov.au

 

[katydid23]

Oh, to be a fly on the wall. This will be interesting!! I can not wait to hear her answers to everything the prosecution puts forth. Every. Last. Question.

The prosecution only gets to ask her about the questions the defense already asked---Am I correct?

That's how US works but not sure about in Victoria courts. I assume it is similar.

 

[MrJ]

I want to read her answer to why she threw out the dehydrator.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder whose idea it was that Erin will testify?

HERS, imo. lol

 

[Bats]

But at the end of the day, they probably don’t have much to lose and the decision is hers alone

Do you really think so? The defence just throw their hands in the air and say, "well, we've got nothing to lose. Go for it Erin. Its your decision".

I wouldn't have thought so, personally.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Let the prosecutors get her away from her sob story, which is what she wants... Poor me.!

And hit her with the tough questions, out of her comfort zone

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I want to read her answer to why she threw out the dehydrator.

And all the lies, where is the other phone etc

 

[Old Soul]

Let the prosecutors get her away from her sob story, which is what she wants... Poor me.!

And hit her with the tough questions, out of her comfort zone

Exactly, this part is very much within her control. Cross-examination maybe not so much. I’m definitely expecting tears!

Remember her “revised statement” in August 2023?
“I am now wanting to clear up the record because I have become extremely stressed and overwhelmed by the deaths of my loved ones,” Erin said in a written statement to police obtained by the ABC.

“I am hoping this statement might help in some way. I believe if people understood the background more, they would not be so quick to rush to judgment.”

In light of it being accepted by both sides that she foraged, I guess her current testimony will be yet another “revised statement”??

 

[Scooby-Doo]

In her own words: Erin Patterson speaks in murder trial

www.9news.com.au