Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

[JBowie]

Maybe Simon stayed the duration of the planned trip? I mean, why leave a trip early to go back to a wife you're fighting with and an uncomfortable home life?

If she flew back to Perth alone, as he said she did, then Simon had a 4 month old child with him. I'm thinking he may have returned to the relatives that they visited up there in QLD for assistance with that.

Who knows? I guess if the question isn't asked then the witness doesn't provide all of the details.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

My thoughts on this move by the defence is the exact opposite to this...

To me this is a sign of a defence team that is very confident their client will be acquitted of the charges.

It will not work in her favour, no amount of crocodile tears will restore her lost credit.

Cross-examination is gonna be riveting

 

[MrJ]

My thoughts on this move by the defence is the exact opposite to this...

To me this is a sign of a defence team that is very confident their client will be acquitted of the charges.

Interesting. Will have to wait and see more for that to eventuate. I'm a layperson after all but I'm not so sure she'll be acquitted.

 

[Kemug]

She sighs afterwards, appearing distressed. Mr Mandy says there must have been "some tension" to cause the separations and asks what that was.

"Primarily what we struggled with over the entire course of our relationship ... it was, we just couldn't communicate well when we disagreed about something," she says.

"We could never communicate in a way that would make each of us feel heard and understood."

What she really means is that she could never admit that she might be wrong.

 

[JBowie]

Cross-examination is gonna be riveting

We'd hope so, but I guess that depends on what the judge will allow under the rules of cross examination.

 

[Kemug]

He drove himself and their baby back to the west coast.

RSBM
No wonder they had a blazing row and separated when he and the baby finally arrived back in Perth.

 

[Old Soul]

That's what I have been led to understand, too. The baby was around 4 months old at the time, so the feeding regime must have been difficult for Simon. In his shoes I'd be on a plane back to Perth quick smart.

I believe the baby was between 9 and 10 months old when Simon drove him back to Perth, he was born in January 2009, the trip commenced in April and they returned in November. Certainly a long camping trip.

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[JBowie]

RSBM
No wonder they had a blazing row and separated when he and the baby finally arrived back in Perth.

Yep. As I said, IMO not an event that either could claim to misremember the details of now.

 

[JBowie]

I believe the baby was between 9 and 10 months old when Simon drove him back to Perth, he was born in January 2009, the trip commenced in April and they returned in November. Certainly a long camping trip.

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IMO, nine or ten months old would be a slightly better proposition care-wise for a solo father that 4 months old.

Here we have yet another version:

Four months after their first child was born, Erin and Simon Patterson packed all their belongings into a 4WD and drove across the northern half of Australia.

Mushroom cook's husband on rocky marriage, $2m windfall

Four months after their first child was born, Erin and Simon Patterson packed all their belongings into a 4WD and drove across the northern half of Australia.

www.sheppnews.com.au

 

[Kemug]

I'm not diagnosing here but a narcissist is all about controlling the narrative. As is the defence's job too, but only a narcissist too wants to share all the details. Sure, a traumatic birth is definitely sad, but... why? What purpose does it serve? I hope the poor son isn't embarrassed by that detail being shared to the general public.

Plenty of women have traumatic or somewhat traumatic births. That's nature. It's place in a murder trial confuses me.

 

[Kemug]

The BABY DROVE back ALONE and left his parents for dead

Ah, no wonder the son was having flying lessons at 14, he had conquered driving years ago!

 

[Detechtive]

Why do you think she was going to move from Leongatha?

She said she was buying a property at Phillip Island near her kids school

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She said she was buying a property at Phillip Island near her kids school

Oh, I didn't realise that her kids went to a school in Phillip Island. She could have just moved there and made a new life for herself. I was watching the 7.30 Report tonight about the frequent lockdowns at the Dame Phyllis Frost prison due to staff shortages & I was thinking what an awful future she has in store for herself if she's found guilty. I don't have any sympathy for her though. At least she has a future, unlike her 3 poor victims...

 

[MrJ]

Tomorrow is going to be either the best move the defence has made this entire trial (doubtful) or the most shambolic attempt yet to try and acquit EP (possible). I can't wait.

 

[Detechtive]

2009: Back then, the couple and their newborn were living in a small unit in the inner city, so when Simon’s parents, Gail and Don Patterson, visited shortly after the birth, they stayed in an Airbnb.​

Airbnb only launched in Australia in 2012.

 

[Poirot's niece]

Good point.

I've been trying to think on that.

We know that this trip was the very first time that EP was in a vehicle and away from her home since the lunch ended, earlier that day.

So IF she had some things she wanted to toss out this would be her first and best chance. But I'm not sure what those things are.

I'm wondering if during Closings, the P will throw a possible scenario out there---like ' she smashed phone A and tossed it nto a dumpster'. Or she threw out the remaining BW she had reserved for Simon' ???

Grey plates, cutlery?

 

[Megnut]

It appears that Erin Erin Erin is an estrangement maker.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I wonder how many times Erin pursued a career move or course of study that then a new "illness" paused it.

JMO

 

[Parker Knoll]

I expected her to take the stand. She cannot tell 'her version' of events without taking the stand.

We will now hear why she went to Outrim area. We will hear why she didn't want her kids to go to the hospital at first. We will hear how dizzy and nauseous she was the night of the luncheon. And that she didn't know the 4 guests were seriously ill because no one told her so. etc

This is a critical decision. It will either be a brilliant decision and she will clear up all the questions and explain some of the incriminating bad facts, or it won't.

I am naturally a pessimist but I’m guessing “ won’t “ here Katy !

 

[Megnut]

Erin identifies communication as the stumbling block in their relationship.

General question: ever try communicating with a liar?

Perhaps what Erin meant is that Simon may have been skeptical of her answers.

Loose observations

Erin wanted to hurry up and have babies.

Erin fell pregnant (maybe that's an Aussie phrase?) but then didn't know how to care for a baby?

Had plans but had to change them for another child with medical needs.

Is atheist, then suddenly has a full conversion experience. Loved the in-laws, but then it was distant.

She seems to create drama wherever she goes.

JMO