Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #11 *Arrest*

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10.24am

Members of public arrive at court from 6am​

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Members of the public began to arrive at the Latrobe Valley law courts about 6am today, as TV crews filmed their first live crosses for the morning shows.

By the time doors opened around 9am, there was a crowd of about 25 people lining up outside the building waiting to go through the court’s security check.

The courtroom where the trial is being heard is reasonably smaller than an average Supreme Court courtroom in Melbourne, with only three rows of seats for the public, media representatives and family members.

10.38am

Day 25 in pictures​

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Award-winning Age and Sydney Morning Herald photographer Jason South is in Morwell covering the mushroom lunch trial.

Here are some of his pictures from this morning.

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10.41am

Full courthouse in Morwell​

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Extra police, from the homicide squad, have also arrived – including Detective Senior Constable David Martin-Alcaide and Detective Sergeant Nigel L’Estrange – who are both seated in the front-row of courtroom 4 next to lead Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall.

There are no spare seats in the courtroom, with a guard seated at the door.
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Detective Leading Senior Constable Stephen Eppingstall.Credit: Jason South

10.49am

Erin Patterson unpacks how her inheritance was spent​

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Erin Patterson has returned to the witness box, starting day 25 of her trial by telling the jury about an inheritance she was given from her grandmother after she died in 2006.

Patterson’s defence barrister Colin Mandy, SC, is asking about who received the inheritance.

Next to Patterson in the witness box is a paper cup, a jug of water and a box of tissues. You can also see a pair of dark-coloured glasses resting on the wooden box to her right.

She is speaking into a microphone that records her evidence.
Patterson confirmed she was one many beneficiaries of that estate, which was distributed over a number of years. She said the first of the distributions was in February 2007, and the last was towards the end of 2015.

“There were a number of commercial companies that needed to be sold,” she said.

Patterson said the funds had allowed her to travel internationally and to buy a home to settle in when they were in Quinninup, Western Australia.

“We were able to help out Simon’s siblings with loans as well to help them buy homes,” she said.

The court heard the loans were in the order of $400,000 each.

Tucking her brown hair behind her right ear, she said the payments covered inflation with no interest.

“I started a second-hand bookstore,” Patterson said. “I spent months travelling around south-west Western Australia collecting books.”

That was through estate sales and from libraries getting rid of stock, she said.

“I painted the inside, I brought about 30 or 35 bookshelves from IKEA and put them together. And I got things like internet and phone put on,” she said.

She operated that bookshop for about a year. The jury heard Patterson’s father died in 2011 and her mother in 2019. Patterson said she got access to some of her mother’s estate, which allowed her to buy the Mount Waverley property and a block in Gibson Street, Leongatha.

10.54am

‘Don and Gail were so welcoming’: Patterson details return to Victoria to be close to in-laws​

Erin Patterson smiled and nodded and she told the jury she moved back to Victoria partly because her son wanted to be closer to his “nan and papa”, Don and Gail Patterson.

The accused again smiled when her barrister joked he needed his glasses after getting the year wrong that she went to New Zealand on holiday when they arrived back in Victoria.

Patterson said that they moved back to Victoria from Western Australia, so their son could be closer to family.

She said they first went to New Zealand for six weeks, before returning to Australia and spending six more weeks living in Don and Gail’s spare room.

“It was crammed in that all three of us were in one room, but it didn’t matter because Don and Gail were so welcoming to us,” she said.

“It was a really good experience.″⁣

Patterson said they then moved into a rental in Bena and in 2014 she gave birth to her daughter.

“The day she was born was [my son’s] first day of school,” she said.

10.59am

‘I felt we had no choice’: A couple separate, divide assets and try to remain friends​

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Erin Patterson told the jury that she and Simon formally separated at the end of 2015, but there were at least two occasions where they reconciled.

“We tried to figure out an arrangement for the children. They had different needs,” she said.

She said they tried to figure out an arrangement where the kids could be together with both Simon and her. “We just wrote down what we had. Property, cash, what was owed to us and then just divided it down the middle, that’s the best way to describe it,” she said.

Patterson said no lawyers were involved in dividing the assets, and there was no acrimony.

The court heard that Erin owned the property at the time, Simon lived in Korumburra, and there was another home in town.

Patterson said that in the immediate aftermath of the separation it was difficult as it was in other separations but it only lasted a handful of weeks. ″⁣We went back to being really good friends,” she said.

“I didn’t want to be separated but I felt we had no choice.“

Patterson said the main issues in their relationship stemmed from not being able to talk about their problems in a way they would feel understood. “We really liked each other still. It was just the living together that didn’t work,” she said.

Patterson said that shortly after separating, Simon created his own engineering consulting company, so they arranged the care of the children around his commitment.

She said they continued to holiday as a family after the separation, including to Tasmania a couple of times, Darwin, Queensland, New Zealand, South Africa and to Erin’s mother’s house in Eden, in NSW.

Patterson has sipped water again as her voice grew croaky.

She said she continued to attend Patterson family gatherings after the separation in 2015 and until 2022, and continued to see family members outside of organised group gatherings.
 
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2m ago11.00 AEST

Colin Mandy SC turns to Erin and Simon Patterson’s relationship​

Erin says when they separated permanently in 2015, they wrote down the assets they owned and “divided it down the middle”.

She says no lawyers were involved.

Patterson says at the time the couple owned two properties. She says the couple each took over a remaining loan to Simon’s siblings and their partners.

Patterson reflects on the permanent separation:

In the immediate aftermath ... it was difficult, as it had been in other separations. That only lasted a handful of weeks. We went back to just being really good friends.
I didn’t want to be separated but I felt there was no choice.
Our primary problem was if we had a disagreement or any kind of conflict we didn’t seem to be able to talk about it in a way
It was just the living together that didn’t work.
Patterson says the family continued to go on holidays together after the separation.

She says they went to Queensland, New Zealand, South Africa and “a lot of time” at her mother’s house in Eden, NSW.

Mandy asks about Patterson’s relationship with Simon’s parents, Don and Gail Patterson, after the couple’s permanent separation.

Her voices appears to break as she answers:

It never changed. I was just their daughter in law and they just continued to love me.

 
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Colin Mandy in his cross examination of the police inspector confirmed that she weighed 111kg upon checking into the hospital on the Monday after the lunch.

I don’t know how tall Erin is but she’d basically have to be over 2m to not be considered obese at that weight.

She would 100% be considered obese in medical terms and very likely eligible for gastric bypass surgery.
I stand corrected. I honestly had no idea. My impression of her, I totally missed her size/weight.

Regardless, I feel like she's a complex mix of maladjusted behaviors.

JMO
 
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Key Event
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Erin confirms she is Christian

By Joseph Dunstan

In discussing the church, Erin's religion is again questioned by the defence.

Earlier in the trial, Facebook friends of Erin Patterson told the court that Erin had divulged that she was in fact an atheist.

Mr Mandy asks if Erin Patterson told her Facebook friend Christine Hunt that she was an atheist, and she denies it.

"I was and am a Christian," she says.

"Did you make any comment to your Facebook friends about religion?" Mr Mandy asks.

"They would gently make fun of the fact that I was religious, and I would try to, I don't know, evangelise back to them in a sense. But it was all in good humour," she says.

She admits she told the group that she had previously been an atheist, and expressed unhappiness with some aspects of "organised religion".
 
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7 minutes ago

'Don and Gail were so welcoming': Erin details living with in-laws
Erin said she also started a second hand bookshop in Pemberton, south of Perth, in 2011.
“I spent months traveling around southwest Western Australia, collecting books to sell,” she said.
“I went to a lot of, you know, book fairs and libraries selling their old stock and … selling their books.”
She said she set up the bookshop with shelves she bought from Ikea.
After her mother passed in 2019, Erin said her and her sister she received another inheritance which allowed her to buy a property in Mount Waverley, in Melbourne’s east.
Erin said they “packed up” their life in Western Australia in early 2013, and spent a few months travelling back to Victoria, arriving there in September.
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Erin said Don and Gail Patterson were ‘so welcome’ when she, Simon and the couple’s young son moved into a room in their home. Picture: Supplied

The reason for the move, she said, was that her son was an “extroverted child” and he seemed to struggle without siblings or friends to play with because they lived in “the middle of nowhere”.
“We had gone back to Victoria once or twice while we were in Western Australia, and (our son) just loved being with his cousins and Nana and Papa,” she said.
“So we wanted, firstly, to come back for him, but secondly, I was trying, and ended up being pregnant with (our daughter), and I wanted to be near Don and Gail.”
Erin said the family went to New Zealand for six weeks before moving in a spare room at Simon’s parents’ home.
“It was cramped in that all three of us were in one room. But it didn’t it didn’t matter, because Don and Gail were so welcoming to us, and just loved having (our son) there,” she said.
“Well, I think they loved having all three of us there, but it was a really good experience.”
The family then rented a home in Bena, near Korumburra.

 
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It never changed. I was just their daughter in law and they just continued to love me.

It never changed, until it did. When Simon filed his tax return as "separated", Erin started whinging to the in laws, the in laws started distancing themselves, and then they were poisoned.

imo
 
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4m ago
Father-in-law was 'coding genius', Erin says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy asks Erin about her roles at Korumburra Baptist Church in 2023.

"In 2023 I was helping with the streaming of the live services," Erin says.

She says a website required coding and a YouTube link to sustain a video feed of Pastor Ian Wilkinson's service.

"When COVID began in March of 2020 and churches couldn't meet, Simon and Don, maybe some others, quickly set up an ability to stream the services," she says.

"Don was the one, he was like a coding genius, he … set up the website and made it all happen."

But a few months in, Gail became quite unwell and Don was struggling to maintain that work, Erin says, so she offered to help take some of the load off his shoulders.
 
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Key Event
Just now
Erin confirms she is Christian

By Joseph Dunstan

In discussing the church, Erin's religion is again questioned by the defence.

Earlier in the trial, Facebook friends of Erin Patterson told the court that Erin had divulged that she was in fact an atheist.

Mr Mandy asks if Erin Patterson told her Facebook friend Christine Hunt that she was an atheist, and she denies it.

"I was and am a Christian," she says.

"Did you make any comment to your Facebook friends about religion?" Mr Mandy asks.

"They would gently make fun of the fact that I was religious, and I would try to, I don't know, evangelise back to them in a sense. But it was all in good humour," she says.

She admits she told the group that she had previously been an atheist, and expressed unhappiness with some aspects of "organised religion".
BBM : If she is a christian why did Erin not swear on the bible instead of taking an affirmation...........Hmmmmm?
 
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1m ago
Erin Patterson's property portfolio

By Joseph Dunstan

We're hearing about Erin Patterson's property portfolio.

At one stage, there were three properties under her and Simon's names, two in the Gippsland region and one at Mount Waverley in Melbourne.

She says she did this because she "wanted some way to demonstrate to Simon" that "I see a future for us" and the family being reunited.

Mr Mandy says ultimately, though, those assets were divided up, with Erin's name solely on Leongatha and Mount Waverley homes.
 
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1m ago02.10 BST
Patterson says she continued to attend church after the couple’s separation

It wasn’t like we must go every Sunday thing.
Patterson says she would still go with her two children.

Patterson says Ian Wilkinson (her estranged husband’s uncle) “wouldn’t get mad if they [the kids] made a noise”.

Mandy asks about Patterson’s religious beliefs after the separation.

It remained how it had been since 2005. I was and am a Christian.
Barrister Colin Mandy SC asks if Patterson ever told her Facebook friend Christine Hunt, who previously testified, that she was an atheist.

No, I didn’t.

 
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First bold wording is by me.
I agree. By 50, people have generally accumulated some baggage, through their own doing or otherwise. Deaths, marriage break ups, work drama or unemployment, health issues, family stuff. Nothing Erin has said is startling, in fact it could be considered relatively mild compared to what can happen in childhood and adult life. I'm not sure the "poor Erin" narrative is going to work for her, especially after the prosecution are done with their questioning.



I'm not sure about your conversion there. 200 pounds is 90 odd kilograms - a whole person, and not a small one at that. Yes, she is obese, yes, she can stand to lose a fair amount of weight, but 200 pounds/90 kilograms? No, not in my opinion. Her choice of outfits are not exactly slimming or becoming, but she's just not as obese as you say she is. MOO

***EDIT***
I just noticed that mamamama9873 posted that Erin was 111kg around the time of the meal. Whilst there's a good chance she's put on weight since then, being able to lose 90kg is just not possible.
Yeah, my guessing on stones/pounds was off. 130 pounds she could stand to lose.
 
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Here we go!

Key Event
Just now
Erin Patterson admits she never had cancer

By Joseph Dunstan

Mr Mandy asks Erin Patterson about her claims about having cancer.

"Have you ever had ovarian cancer?" Mr Mandy asks.

"No, I have not," Erin replies.

"Have you ever had a needle biopsy on a lump on your elbow?"

"I've never had a needle biopsy anywhere."

"Were you worried about having ovarian cancer at some stage?"

"Yeah I was."

She says a few years ago, she was worried about ovarian cancer.

"I felt very fatigued, I had ongoing abdominal pain, I had chronic headaches, I put on a lot of weight in quite a short period of time and had, like my feet and my hands seemed to retain a lot of fluid," she says.

"My wedding ring suddenly wouldn't fit, so I took them to the local jeweller to be resized, and only a few weeks later when I went to pick them up ... my hands had outgrown them again.

"So this was a rapid thing that caused me concern ... I consulted Doctor Google."
 
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11.04am

Crying Patterson describes details of separation, enduring bond with in-laws​

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Throughout the separation from husband Simon, and through the division of assets as the couple lived apart, Erin Patterson said one thing remained the same: her relationship with her in-laws.

Crying, Patterson told the jury: “They just continued to love me.”

Patterson said she and her children continued to see Don and Gail Patterson, even without Simon.

She said her in-laws would sometimes drop in and allow the children to stay for sleepovers.

Nodding as she answered questions from her barrister, the tears stopped when Patterson was asked about attending church.

Patterson said that after returning from Western Australia in 2013, she began attending the Korumburra Baptist Church.

She said she remembered sitting in church with her daughter when she was a newborn.

“I’d always have a chat with [Ian and Heather Wilkinson] after church if I could. Ian was very popular as the pastor ... Heather would always make the point to come and talk to me,” she said.

Patterson said she would sometimes see the Wilkinsons at Christmas gatherings. She said Heather would always make a point to sit with her to ensure she had company.

11.10am

‘It wasn’t like we must go every Sunday’: Patterson recalls church life​

As Erin Patterson provides evidence, surviving mushroom lunch guest Ian Wilkinson is seated in the back row with his arms crossed over his chest, listening intently.

Patterson is talking about her life then, back in 2022, and her relationship with the church.

“It wasn’t like we must go [to church] every Sunday thing,” Patterson recalls. But she said the Korumburra Baptist Church was really family-friendly. They had toys for the children, and Ian Wilkinson would not get mad if they made noise.

Patterson said that shortly after moving to Leongatha, around October 2022, she started attending a church there fortnightly with the children, since her son was attending a youth group there with friends.

She said they attended church until they went to New Zealand at the end of the year.

Upon returning, Patterson said they continued to alternate between attending services in Korumburra and Leongatha for a month or two, before deciding they wanted to go back to Korumburra.

Patterson said she never told her online friend Christine Hunt that she was an atheist, but she discussed religion with her friends online. “The kind of conversations that we had were ... sort of making fun of the fact that I was religious and I would try to evangelise them back in a sense but it was all in good humour. But I do think there were a couple of occasions where I might have been maybe unhappy about some aspects of organised religion,” she said.

She said she had told her online friends that she was an atheist.

 
  • #514
Relevance? Did she buy mushroom foraging books?

What's the bet that this long rambling history of her marriage goes on and on, and then the actual poisonings are mentioned as a blip at the end. "Ms Patterson did you intentionally poison your in laws?" "No".

imo
Maybe she'll tell us where she was when David Bowie or Queen Elizabeth died.
 
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1m ago11.13 AEST
Erin Patterson says in 2023, she helped with the streaming of the live services at the Korumburra Baptist Church.

I alternated that with Don.
Patterson says during Covid, Simon and his father, Don Patterson, set up a remote streaming option for the church services.

She says Don was a “coding genius” who “set up the website and made it all happen.”

Within a few months, Don was “struggling” due to wife Gail’s health issues, Patterson says.

She then offered to alternate streaming the live service.

Barrister Colin Mandy SC asks if she made any comments to her Facebook friends about religion.

We did talk about it sometimes.
The kind of conversations that we had.. they would gently make fun of the fact that I was religious and I would try and evangelise back to them in a sense... It was sort of all in good humour.
I do think there were a couple of occasions I might have been unhappy about aspects of organised religion. We talked about that quite a bit.
Patterson says she told her Facebook friends she had been an atheist.

 
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Key Event
1m ago
Discussion of Erin's daughter's health issues

By Joseph Dunstan

She says there was a family history that added to her concern, including some health issues her daughter had experienced in 2014 with an ovarian mass.

"Right from when she was born, I thought there was something wrong," Erin says.

"She cried a lot, for long durations, that I thought demonstrated pain and I took her to a lot of doctors and even the hospital and what they communicated to me was I was an over-anxious mother that should relax and she's just a normal baby."

An emotional Erin says after escalating concerns, she returned to the hospital, but staff there said her daughter probably had a "very full bladder".

She says the whole experience "considerably damaged my faith in the health system".

"I didn't like hospitals before it, like who does, but I didn't trust that these people knew what they were doing and I was just in a heightened state of anxiety ever after about my daughter's health.

"I don't want to lose her."
 
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4m ago
Father-in-law was 'coding genius', Erin says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy asks Erin about her roles at Korumburra Baptist Church in 2023.

"In 2023 I was helping with the streaming of the live services," Erin says.

She says a website required coding and a YouTube link to sustain a video feed of Pastor Ian Wilkinson's service.

"When COVID began in March of 2020 and churches couldn't meet, Simon and Don, maybe some others, quickly set up an ability to stream the services," she says.

"Don was the one, he was like a coding genius, he … set up the website and made it all happen."

But a few months in, Gail became quite unwell and Don was struggling to maintain that work, Erin says, so she offered to help take some of the load off his shoulders.
Sounds like she volunteered to force herself on Simon
 
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24 minutes ago - 10:53 AMMax Corstorphan

Division of assets after 2015 ‘formal separation’​

Ms Patterson confirmed that “end of 2015”, she and Simon Patterson went through a “formal separation”.

She explained that assets and loans were divided down the middle.

She said after a few weeks, the two became “good friends”.

Ms Patterson told the court she “didn’t want to be separated”, but understood it was the only way for the two over their inability to handle conflicts.

“We really liked each other still, it was just the living together that didn’t work,” Ms Patterson said.

18 minutes ago - 10:58 AMMax Corstorphan

Patterson becomes emotional discussing late in-laws​

Ms Patterson told the court how Don and Gail Patterson, her in-laws whom she is accused of murdering, continued to treat her as their “daughter-in-law” after her “formal separation” from Simon Patterson.

“They continued to love me,” Ms Patterson said, becoming audibly emotional.

She explained they remained “very involved” with her and the kids.

13 minutes ago - 11:04 AMMax Corstorphan

Patterson’s role at church with Patterson family​

Ms Patterson told the court that she and her children alternated churches for some time before returning to the church attended by Simon Patterson and his family, which she joined after the couple got together.

“We just wanted to go back to Korumburra” Baptist Church, she told the court.

Ms Patterson told the court she had a role with the church, “helping with the streaming of the live services”, a role she said she alternated with Don Patterson.

She went on to explain that at times, she felt she was made fun of for her religious past and her background as a former atheist.

6 minutes ago - 11:10 AMMax Corstorphan

‘I always thought we would bring the family back together’, Patterson tells court​

Ms Patterson went on to explain a series of property purchases and sales she made, some of which she lived in, some of which were initially put in joint ownership of both her and her former partner, Simon Patterson.

“I always thought that we would bring the family back together. That’s what I wanted,” Ms Patterson told the court.

Ms Patterson said she wanted to “demonstrate” to Mr Patterson that she was committed to getting back together.

“I see a future for us,” she told the court, explaining her feelings from 2019.

Just now - 11:16 AMMax Corstorphan

Patterson tells court she ‘didn’t trust’ health care system​

Ms Patterson has told the court how she “didn’t trust” the health system following an incident with her daughter’s health.

“It considerably damaged my faith in the health system,” she told the court.

“I didn’t love hospitals.

“I didn’t trust that these people knew what they were doing.”

She explained she was in a “heightened sense of anxiety” after an incident with her young daughter.

Ms Patterson emotionally told the court she “didn’t want to lose” her daughter.
 
  • #519
Here we go!

Key Event
Just now
Erin Patterson admits she never had cancer

By Joseph Dunstan

Mr Mandy asks Erin Patterson about her claims about having cancer.

"Have you ever had ovarian cancer?" Mr Mandy asks.

"No, I have not," Erin replies.

"Have you ever had a needle biopsy on a lump on your elbow?"

"I've never had a needle biopsy anywhere."

"Were you worried about having ovarian cancer at some stage?"

"Yeah I was."

She says a few years ago, she was worried about ovarian cancer.

"I felt very fatigued, I had ongoing abdominal pain, I had chronic headaches, I put on a lot of weight in quite a short period of time and had, like my feet and my hands seemed to retain a lot of fluid," she says.

"My wedding ring suddenly wouldn't fit, so I took them to the local jeweller to be resized, and only a few weeks later when I went to pick them up ... my hands had outgrown them again.

"So this was a rapid thing that caused me concern ... I consulted Doctor Google."
why was she even still wearing the wedding ring? She was holding on to these relationships with her estranged husband and ex in laws and they were distancing themselves imo.
 
  • #520
Key Event
1m ago
Hospital experience shook her trust in health system

By Joseph Dunstan

Mr Mandy takes Erin through other experiences she had that damaged her trust in the medical system, including other health episodes with her children.

She recounts another "very traumatic" health episode where her screaming daughter, who was 11 at the time, had a tube put into her nose.

Erin says a "similar issue" occurred with her son, where "no one would listen" to her concern about a knee injury after a bike accident.

"It was this merry-go-round ... [of health specialists] until someone said he needs surgery on his knees," she says.

She says her son was X-rayed on the wrong side of his body and when she pointed it out she was treated with condescension.
 
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