Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[Detechtive]

Sub Judice is in place so it limits what people can and can’t say.

I think it’s more than that. Some people are just die hard oppositional, and some can’t look beyond their own experiences to imagine that what they’re seeing is true. It’s like conspiracy theorists. There’s always some complex theory for why the obvious can’t be true, they’re the special smart ones with a special insight that the rest of us don’t have. It’s very narcissistic. IMO

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Bariatric surgery is not a cure for bulimia, neither is weight loss.
IF, she had seen a doctor for gastric bypass, a big IF, and she revealed bulimia, she would likely be declined until she resolved the ED.

Any evidence she saw a Dr about bypass .. and revealed her bulimia?

 

[Detechtive]

Bariatric surgery is not a cure for bulimia, neither is weight loss.
IF, she had seen a doctor for gastric bypass, a big IF, and she revealed bulimia, she would likely be declined until she resolved the ED.

Any evidence she saw a Dr about bypass .. and revealed her bulimia?

She wasn’t arrested until November so why didn’t her September 2023 appointment go ahead? I call BS on this too.

 

[Kemug]

I do believe that Gail Patterson was a very discreet person who would have regarded it as unthinkable to share other people's personal health details without their permission.

EP would have known that.

All the Pattersons (bar one) were/are good and trustworthy people IMO.

 

[JBowie]

Erin Patterson: If he'd come, I would have given him a beef Wellington too ... but not one with death cap mushrooms intentionally."

Why the qualifier? Who the hell says that? It makes me think that she unintentionally shared part of her alleged motive imo

"... but not one with death cap mushroom intentionally"

IMO, the prosecutor should have repeated that bit for the attention of the jury.

 

[JBowie]

Any evidence she saw a Dr about bypass .. and revealed her bulimia?

And more than one!

Pre-operative evaluation:
A thorough assessment by a team of health professionals, including internists, dietitians, psychiatrists or psychologists, and bariatric surgeons, is essential. -- Dr Google.

 

[Kemug]

1m ago06.31 BST

Patterson denies telling lunch guests she had ovarian cancer​

Rogers asks Patterson about Ian Wilkinson‘s evidence that she told her lunch guests she had cancer.
“Did you announce at the lunch you had cancer? Rogers asks.
“I didn’t say that I had received a diagnosis,” Patterson says.
Rogers repeats the question.
“Isn’t that what … diagnosed means?” Patterson says.
Rogers asks the questions again. “Did you tell people at the lunch you had cancer?” she asks.
“No,” says Patterson. She says she cannot remember the precise words she used.
Rogers asks Patterson again if she told the lunch guests she had cancer.
“I did not,” Patterson says.
Rogers says Ian’s evidence was that she mentioned a diagnostic test at the lunch.
Patterson says: “I think I talked about that I had been undergoing some testing.”
Rogers says Ian recalled Patterson mentioning a spot on a scan.
Patterson says she doesn’t think she said that.

OMG, no wonder the marital arguments never ended well!

 

[JBowie]

OMG, no wonder the marital arguments never ended well!

Reminds me of the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch.

Customer: This isn't an argument.

Mr Barnard: Yes it is.

 

[Kemug]

1m ago06.31 BST

Patterson denies telling lunch guests she had ovarian cancer​

Rogers asks Patterson about Ian Wilkinson‘s evidence that she told her lunch guests she had cancer.

“Did you announce at the lunch you had cancer? Rogers asks.

“I didn’t say that I had received a diagnosis,” Patterson says.

Rogers repeats the question.

“Isn’t that what … diagnosed means?” Patterson says.

Rogers asks the questions again. “Did you tell people at the lunch you had cancer?” she asks.

“No,” says Patterson. She says she cannot remember the precise words she used. She says:



Rogers asks Patterson again if she told the lunch guests she had cancer.

“I did not,” Patterson says.

Rogers says Ian’s evidence was that she mentioned a diagnostic test at the lunch.

Patterson says: “I think I talked about that I had been undergoing some testing.”

Rogers says Ian recalled Patterson mentioning a spot on a scan.

Patterson says she doesn’t think she said that.

Australia mushroom trial live: Erin Patterson ‘lied because I was afraid I would be held responsible’, court hears

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder over a fatal 2023 beef wellington lunch. Follow live updates

www.theguardian.com

Like anyone would believe her, a nasty proven multi-liar, over the grieving, widowed, kindly Pastor.

 

[Kemug]

Asked if she agrees she told her lunch guests she had upcoming treatment for cancer, Patterson says: “I can’t remember the exact words I used.”

“I was trying to communicate that there might be some treatment coming up,” Patterson said.

RSBM
Yes, she has a real problem with communication, it keeps coming out as a lie.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’​

ByMarta Pascual Juanola and Erin Pearson​

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‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’​

ByMarta Pascual Juanola​

It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.
Patterson told a jury in her murder trial that her beef Wellington lunch – to which she invited her estranged husband’s parents, Don and Gail Patterson, and Gail’s sister and her husband – Heather and Ian Wilkinson – was not a casual gathering she frequently put on.
After a full day in the witness box, Patterson, 50, confirmed that before that July 29, 2023, lunch she had never hosted the Wilkinsons before.

Erin Patterson, her in-laws, Don and Gail Patterson (bottom right), and Gail’s sister, Heather Wilkinson (top right).CREDIT:MATTHEW ABSALOM-WONG
During cross-examination, Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers asked questions focused on the purpose of the lunch and why those guests were invited.
She then put to Patterson, who is on trial for the murder of Don, Gail, and Heather, and the attempted murder of Ian, whether she had lied about her health to ensure the guests would attend and to explain the children’s absence.
Patterson, her long brown hair out in the witness box for a fourth consecutive day, told the court that this was incorrect.
“I suggest you never thought you’d have to account for this lie about having cancer because you thought the lunch guests would die,” Rogers said.
“That’s not true,” Erin responded.
Today’s evidence has now concluded.

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The questions came thick and fast. The denials did, too.​

ByErin Pearson and Marta Pascual Juanola​

The questions came thick and fast. The denials did, too.
After three days and 30 minutes of softly spoken, slow questioning from defence lawyer Colin Mandy, SC, accused killer cook Erin Patterson was now under cross-examination.

Crown Prosecutor Dr Nanette Rogers, SC, leaves court on Thursday.CREDIT:JASON SOUTH
Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, rose to her feet quickly, on her lectern a blue binder folder filled with A4 notes.
In quick succession she took Erin Patterson through a string of exhibits. More than a dozen flicked across screens in the courtroom – invoices, photographs.
With about five metres between them, Rogers’ voice carried easily across the room. The accused, on the other hand, was asked to speak up.
Rogers cut to the chase in the first 10 minutes.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 27 as it happened: ‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’

It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.

www.theage.com.au

 

[L_B]

One slight inconsistency I haven't heard anyone mention is that she had a huge problem with binge eating etc, but only claimed to finish 1/3rd of her Beef Wellington? One thing all partied agreed was that the food was very nice, and by her own admission she has the ability to finish a large portion, so why didn't she? She has never implied that she saved it for later or anything.

I don't see this as an inconsistency, this is the one (and probably only) thing I do believe about her - she has internalised shame around her weight and eating. You can be self conscious eating in front of others as you think you are being judged for what you eat and in turn your weight, so you wouldn't eat large portions or choose anything too "fatty" "sugary" etc. You do the binge eating in private, a lot of the time binging is done cos it's a learned response by the brain to make yourself feel "better" as you briefly enjoy the food, but then after are met with more regret and shame for having scarfed down a whole cake for example....

However I think she is leveraging her binge eating, and supposed bulima as a way to excuse her not being more sick, this is where I call BS.

Or she only wanted a nibble of the deathly wellington to only get a bit sick (I jest, I know not possible with how the toxins work)

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I have two. An iPhone and an ipad, oh, and an Apple Watch.

But it’s irrelevant what we have. We aren’t accused of murdering people, factory resetting phones while in police custody, being compulsive liars and being so grandiose and obnoxious to tamper with evidence in a homicide investigation

I probably should have explained. I have one personal mobile phone and one set of scales. Why would someone like EP need more?

 

[Porky1]

I think she wanted attention. Simon was supposed to choose her. Call her an ambulance, be by her side, she was supposed to be the miracle survivor, not Ian.

JMO

I think that description fits Simon more than Erin, the lovesick ex. She left him multiple times, she was empowered. I don’t think she needed him ‘to chose her’ at all. I sense she was keen to keep his family close, I think she merely tolerated him.

 

[Montrealaise]

OMG, no wonder the marital arguments never ended well!

Sure Erin, accuse the sole survivor of your fatal lunch of lying. That will go over really well, along with bad-mouthing your estranged husband who declined your lunch invitation.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Reading about EP in the stand today only reminded me of the comedy series Blackadder when in the episode he was on trial and Baldrick is called as a witness;

Edmund: (to Baldrick) Deny everything, Baldrick.

George: Are you Private Baldrick?

Baldrick: NO!

George: Um, but you are Captain Balckadder's batman?

Baldrick: NO!

 

[Porky1]

Yeah I've noticed how some people seem to brush aside the facts and bad things about her because they want her to be innocent. I don't understand it but it happens in lots of cases.

I am not sure yet, it has nothing to do with her sex. I haven’t ’brushed aside facts’, Iam just not sure the prosecution’s case is as strong as I expected. Much can be explained, more than I expected.

 

[Camp Chair 2.0]

Can someone explain to Erin that obesity is not cancer? Like I know she’s not been to nursing school yet, but surely she knows the difference?

What a chilling prospect & poorly aligned match with character that career path would be - nursing/midwifery!

Ps. Hi everyone

 

[JBowie]

I doubt she is capable of genuine relationships.

A recognized aspect of the narcissistic personality.

Those with NPD or narcissistic traits often struggle with relationships because their arrogance and lack of empathy make it difficult to form meaningful and respectful connections. -- Thriveworks (clinician-founded mental health provider of therapy and psychiatry)

 

[Kemug]

I'm assuming they are with their father now. That's the only family they have left now other than cousins/Aunts and Uncles, >Simon's siblings.

That won't please her.