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Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*
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Bingo!
Key Event
Just now
Erin says she would have served husband same meal
By Joseph Dunstan
Erin Patterson makes a point about the placement of the prosecutor's microphone and asks it be adjusted, as she cannot see Dr Roger's face and says that she "lip-reads". The microphone's position is fixed.
"You intended to serve one of those beef Wellingtons to Simon Patterson, had he turned up at the lunch?" Dr Rogers asks.
"If he'd come, I would have given him a beef Wellington too ... but not one with death cap mushrooms intentionally," Erin says.
Key Event
Just now
Erin says she would have served husband same meal
By Joseph Dunstan
Erin Patterson makes a point about the placement of the prosecutor's microphone and asks it be adjusted, as she cannot see Dr Roger's face and says that she "lip-reads". The microphone's position is fixed.
"You intended to serve one of those beef Wellingtons to Simon Patterson, had he turned up at the lunch?" Dr Rogers asks.
"If he'd come, I would have given him a beef Wellington too ... but not one with death cap mushrooms intentionally," Erin says.
Just now - 12:44 PMMax Corstorphan
The prosecution suggested that Ms Patterson would have fed the sixth beef Wellington to her ex-partner, Simon Patterson, if he had turned up to lunch.
“If he had come, I would have given him a beef welling too,” Ms Patterson said.
“Not one with death cap mushrooms in it intentionally,” she added.
thenightly.com.au
'Would have given him a beef welling too‘: Ex-partner could have been fed fatal Wellington
Ms Patterson said it was “probably true” that if she told police about her dehydrator, she would become a suspect in a “poisoning bid”.The prosecution suggested that Ms Patterson would have fed the sixth beef Wellington to her ex-partner, Simon Patterson, if he had turned up to lunch.
“If he had come, I would have given him a beef welling too,” Ms Patterson said.
“Not one with death cap mushrooms in it intentionally,” she added.
Ex ‘would have had beef Wellington too’ if he’d come
LIVE UPDATES: Erin Patterson says she would have served ex-husband Simon Patterson a beef Wellington, too, if he had turned up to the deadly lunch.
thenightly.com.au
now03.45 BST
Rogers says Patterson saw retired pharmacist Christine Mckenzie‘s post on the citizen science iNaturalist on 18 April 2023 about death cap mushrooms in Loch.
“I disagree,” Patterson says.
Rogers says the accused then went to Loch on 28 April 2023.
Patterson says: “I don’t know if I did go to Loch that day.”
Patterson denies that she went to Loch on that day to find death cap mushrooms.
She denies that the photo of mushroom caps are the death caps she found at Loch on 28 April 2023. Paterson also denies that the photo shows death cap mushrooms.
Patterson denies she was weighing the mushrooms to determine the fatal amount to administer.
Rogers says Patterson saw retired pharmacist Christine Mckenzie‘s post on the citizen science iNaturalist on 18 April 2023 about death cap mushrooms in Loch.
“I disagree,” Patterson says.
Rogers says the accused then went to Loch on 28 April 2023.
Patterson says: “I don’t know if I did go to Loch that day.”
Patterson denies that she went to Loch on that day to find death cap mushrooms.
She denies that the photo of mushroom caps are the death caps she found at Loch on 28 April 2023. Paterson also denies that the photo shows death cap mushrooms.
Patterson denies she was weighing the mushrooms to determine the fatal amount to administer.
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Just now
Erin's discussions with Facebook friends revisited
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers then pivots to asking Erin Patterson about the messages she shared with her Facebook friends about her children, how she felt about Simon, and that she was an atheist.
Erin says "no" to the final point.
She then agrees with a series of propositions, including that she spoke to her friends about mushrooms and about her daughter not liking mushrooms.
Erin says she doesn't know whether she told her Facebook friends about foraging mushrooms. Dr Rogers suggests to her she did not.
"Did you discuss with your friends cooking mushrooms?" Dr Rogers asks.
Erin says she's not sure.
"There was a group chat for four years. I can't remember everything we talked about," she responds.
Erin's discussions with Facebook friends revisited
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers then pivots to asking Erin Patterson about the messages she shared with her Facebook friends about her children, how she felt about Simon, and that she was an atheist.
Erin says "no" to the final point.
She then agrees with a series of propositions, including that she spoke to her friends about mushrooms and about her daughter not liking mushrooms.
Erin says she doesn't know whether she told her Facebook friends about foraging mushrooms. Dr Rogers suggests to her she did not.
"Did you discuss with your friends cooking mushrooms?" Dr Rogers asks.
Erin says she's not sure.
"There was a group chat for four years. I can't remember everything we talked about," she responds.
12.41pm
To begin, Rogers takes Patterson back to the images of mushrooms she was shown earlier, which mycologist Tom May said were consistent with death cap mushrooms during his evidence earlier in the trial.
“You deny that there are death cap mushrooms,” Rogers said.
“That’s correct. I don’t think they are,” Patterson responded.
Rogers is suggesting to Patterson that she saw the post Christine McKenzie had posted on iNaturalist about death cap mushrooms growing in Loch.
“I disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers suggests to Patterson that she went to Loch on April 28, 2023.
“I don’t know if I did go to Loch that day or not,” Patterson said.
Rogers is suggesting to Patterson that she went to Loch that day to find death cap mushrooms.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers is suggesting the mushrooms in the image are the death cap mushrooms that she found in Loch on April 28, 2023.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Now, Rogers is suggesting Patterson weighed the mushrooms so she could calculate the weight required for the administration of a fatal dose for one person, and for five fatal doses for five people.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers asked if she had taken an image of mushrooms atop a dehydrator tray placed on electronic scales. Patterson said she did not recall taking the photograph, but it was possible she could have.
When questioned by Rogers whether she was suggesting that one of her children could have taken that image, Patterson said: “I’m not suggesting anything”.
www.theage.com.au
‘Disagree’: Accused denies foraging for death caps, measuring fatal dose
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After a short morning break, senior Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers has resumed her cross-examination of Erin Patterson, this time speaking a bit slower than during her first questions.To begin, Rogers takes Patterson back to the images of mushrooms she was shown earlier, which mycologist Tom May said were consistent with death cap mushrooms during his evidence earlier in the trial.
“You deny that there are death cap mushrooms,” Rogers said.
“That’s correct. I don’t think they are,” Patterson responded.
Rogers is suggesting to Patterson that she saw the post Christine McKenzie had posted on iNaturalist about death cap mushrooms growing in Loch.
“I disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers suggests to Patterson that she went to Loch on April 28, 2023.
“I don’t know if I did go to Loch that day or not,” Patterson said.
Rogers is suggesting to Patterson that she went to Loch that day to find death cap mushrooms.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers is suggesting the mushrooms in the image are the death cap mushrooms that she found in Loch on April 28, 2023.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Now, Rogers is suggesting Patterson weighed the mushrooms so she could calculate the weight required for the administration of a fatal dose for one person, and for five fatal doses for five people.
“Disagree,” Patterson said.
Rogers asked if she had taken an image of mushrooms atop a dehydrator tray placed on electronic scales. Patterson said she did not recall taking the photograph, but it was possible she could have.
When questioned by Rogers whether she was suggesting that one of her children could have taken that image, Patterson said: “I’m not suggesting anything”.
Erin Patterson murder trial day 27 as it happened: ‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’
It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.
It infuriates me how evasive/sneaky she is being. In her "opinion" they may not be death caps, but factually could be true.
I hope the jury can see through this BS!!
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BBM wow....
Just now
Erin says she did not intentionally lie to Monash doctor
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers goes to the evidence of a doctor from Monash hospital, who previously told the court about a conversation she had with Erin about foraged or wild mushrooms.
The prosecutor says the doctor gave evidence that she asked Erin whether she'd used wild mushrooms in the preparations of the meal and Erin denied using foraged or wild mushrooms.
"Yes, she did say that," Erin says. She says she "didn't think that was a lie at the time" she told the doctor.
Just now
Erin says she did not intentionally lie to Monash doctor
By Joseph Dunstan
Dr Rogers goes to the evidence of a doctor from Monash hospital, who previously told the court about a conversation she had with Erin about foraged or wild mushrooms.
The prosecutor says the doctor gave evidence that she asked Erin whether she'd used wild mushrooms in the preparations of the meal and Erin denied using foraged or wild mushrooms.
"Yes, she did say that," Erin says. She says she "didn't think that was a lie at the time" she told the doctor.
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We don't know anything about the lighting either. Or the glaze of the ceramics. Were they glossy, matt, earthen, rustic? Did they have a tint?Regarding the lunch plates, I’m prone to believe that white plates could be confused with grey ones, especially if they’re light grey. Three people believed there were four of same colored plates, except for Erin…
What happened to the lunch plates?
According to Erin:
She says she used "just the dinner plates I had" to serve.
"I think there's a couple of black, a couple of white, one that's red on top and black underneath, and then I've got one that [my daughter] made at kindergarten," she says.
She says she didn't own any other dinner plates and didn't own any grey plates.
This conflicts with testimony from lunch guest Ian Wilkinson, who claimed lunch was served on four grey plates and one tan-orange plate.
Erin Patterson says estranged husband asked her about poisoning his parents — as it happened
Erin Patterson is giving evidence for a third day in her triple-murder trial in Morwell. She's accused of murdering three relatives by serving them a meal that contained poisonous mushrooms. Look back at how Wednesday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.www.abc.net.au
According to her son:
After they said their goodbyes, the boy said he helped Patterson clean up from lunch.
“I remember taking some plates up to the sink and putting them in the dishwasher,” he said.
“I collected all the plates put them in a pile next to the sink... I collected all the glasses put them near the sink.”
He said he did not recall any remnants of food on the plates, which he believed were “plain white” dinner plates about 15cm in diameter.
Asked if he thought they were all the same, the boy agreed.
'Very negative': Son of alleged mushroom poisoner shares claims about parents in court
He found her building Lego hours after serving the deadly meal.www.nzherald.co.nz
According to Ian:
The church pastor said the guests ate off grey plates, but Ms Patterson's plate was an orange, tan colour.
Mr Wilkinson said each plate had a serving of mashed potatoes, green beans and an individually-cased beef Wellington, which resembled a pasty.
Surviving lunch guest describes how sickness set in after deadly mushroom meal
Pastor Ian Wilkinson, the sole surviving guest of a lunch containing death cap mushrooms, has given evidence in Erin Patterson's triple-murder trial.
According to Heather:
Heather Wilkinson, who died after a July 2023 lunch at Patterson's Leongatha home, asked questions about the meal as she started to become ill in the subsequent hours, prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC told a jury of 15.
"I noticed that Erin put her food on a different plate to us, her plate had colours on it, I wondered why that was," Wilkinson allegedly said before her death.
I have no reason to disbelieve a woman who died a horrible death from a meal served by her relative about her recollections about the plates. Unfortunately its now only alleged that she said this about the plates the meals were served on. Who said four plates were grey? Was it Heather or Ian? Some people notice colours, some don't. My other half and I disagree about what colour things are often. The difference between aqua and turquoise is a long running family joke.
I would hazard a guess that Heather did indeed notice the plates not matching. Can we 100% state without doubt that what has been relayed to us 2nd and third hand is a dictation verbatim?
These are likely questions the jurors will be faced with. Just what is presented in court, not us here theorising and placing our own personal lens over the 2nd hand summary transcripts.
Being a juror is a massive responsibility with very strict rules. One juror has already been dismissed. Its a heavy burden and the pressure of this particular trial is gigantic.
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Key Event
1m ago
Erin says she foraged for mushrooms in months before lunch
By Joseph Dunstan
"On or after 28 April, 2023, and before the lunch, did you pick wild mushrooms?" Dr Rogers asks Erin Patterson.
"I did," Erin says.
She says that was from her own Leongatha property, from the Korumburra Botanic Gardens and from the rail trail coming out of Leongatha.
"They might not all be after the 28th of April [2023]," she says.
"There's a period of time when mushrooms grow and I cannot say particularly what was done before or after 28th of April. But in that period."
Dr Rogers confirms that Erin picked wild mushrooms after April 28 but before the lunch, and Erin says this is correct.
Dr Rogers then asks if it meant that she had knowingly lied to doctors at Monash when asked about foraging for mushrooms, but Erin says that is not what she was asked by doctors.
Erin says she was simply asked if she had used foraged mushrooms in the meal, to which she replied she had not.
1m ago
Erin says she foraged for mushrooms in months before lunch
By Joseph Dunstan
"On or after 28 April, 2023, and before the lunch, did you pick wild mushrooms?" Dr Rogers asks Erin Patterson.
"I did," Erin says.
She says that was from her own Leongatha property, from the Korumburra Botanic Gardens and from the rail trail coming out of Leongatha.
"They might not all be after the 28th of April [2023]," she says.
"There's a period of time when mushrooms grow and I cannot say particularly what was done before or after 28th of April. But in that period."
Dr Rogers confirms that Erin picked wild mushrooms after April 28 but before the lunch, and Erin says this is correct.
Dr Rogers then asks if it meant that she had knowingly lied to doctors at Monash when asked about foraging for mushrooms, but Erin says that is not what she was asked by doctors.
Erin says she was simply asked if she had used foraged mushrooms in the meal, to which she replied she had not.
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'A poisoning event': Crown grills Erin on her lies
Dr Rogers puts it to Erin that she lied about dehydrating food, including mushrooms, because the truth would implaciate her in the poisoned lunch.
“Agree or disagree?” she asks.
“I agree that I lied because I was afraid I would be held responsible,” Erin replies.
Dr Rogers repeats her question.
Mr Mandy objects, taking issue with the word “implicate” in the question.
Justice Beale asks Dr Rogers to use a different word.
Dr Rogers: “You knew that if you told police the truth then you would be immediately suspected by police of being involved in a poisoning event?”
Erin: “That’s probably true, yes.”
Erin interrupts during one of Dr Rogers’ questions, asking her to move her microphone because she couldn’t see her face.
“It covers your face and it makes it hard for me to fully lip read a little bit,” she says.
Dr Rogers moves the mic and continues her questions.
Dr Rogers: “You intended to serve one of those beef wellingtons to Simon Patterson, had he turned up at the lunch?”
Erin: “If he’d come, I would have given him a beef wellington too, yes, but not one with death cap mushrooms in it intentionally.”
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It feels like she was on the cusp of the perfect murder. If she just, from day 1, announced "OMG I FED THEM FORAGED MUSHROOMS! YOU DON'T SUPPOSE I MISIDENTIFIED THEM??", then the cops would have had the darndest time proving she intended harm. She could have handed over the contaminated dehydrator, self-submitted all the photos and chats about her experiments with dried mushrooms ("If I intended to kill them, why would I discuss it with my true crime friends?"), seemingly entirely cooperative with the investigation, and I think it would have gone down as a tragic accident (although SP and others may have suspected otherwise).
Foiled by her own deceptive nature.
Foiled by her own deceptive nature.
7m ago12.50 AEST
“No, that’s not correct,” Patterson says.
Rogers put to Patterson:
3m ago03.54 BST
Rogers returns to Patterson’s formal police interview. She takes Patterson to her answer where she denied she had foraged for mushrooms or “anything like that”.
Patterson says this was a lie.
Rogers takes Patterson to conversations she had with her Facebook friends in a group chat, including the wide-ranging topics they messaged about.
Rogers says: “Do you agree you never told any of these Facebook friends you had foraged for mushrooms?”
“I don’t know if I did or I didn’t,” Patterson says. “I don’t know if I told them or not.”
Rogers asks if Patterson discussed cooking wild mushrooms with her Facebook friends.
“I don’t know,” she says. Patterson says it was a group chat for four years and she cannot remember everything the women talked about.
Rogers says one of the Facebook friends Jenny Hay has testified that Patterson never discussed foraging for wild mushrooms in the group chat.
Patterson says Hay “might be right”.
Patterson: ‘I lied because I was afraid I would be held responsible’
Rogers says Patterson dehydrated mushrooms, including ones she knew to be death cap mushrooms.“No, that’s not correct,” Patterson says.
Rogers put to Patterson:
Patterson says:
Rogers says to Patterson:
“That’s not correct,” Patterson replies.
3m ago03.54 BST
Rogers returns to Patterson’s formal police interview. She takes Patterson to her answer where she denied she had foraged for mushrooms or “anything like that”.
Patterson says this was a lie.
Rogers takes Patterson to conversations she had with her Facebook friends in a group chat, including the wide-ranging topics they messaged about.
Rogers says: “Do you agree you never told any of these Facebook friends you had foraged for mushrooms?”
“I don’t know if I did or I didn’t,” Patterson says. “I don’t know if I told them or not.”
Rogers asks if Patterson discussed cooking wild mushrooms with her Facebook friends.
“I don’t know,” she says. Patterson says it was a group chat for four years and she cannot remember everything the women talked about.
Rogers says one of the Facebook friends Jenny Hay has testified that Patterson never discussed foraging for wild mushrooms in the group chat.
Patterson says Hay “might be right”.
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It just keeps getting worse.
Key Event
Just now
Erin says she doesn't recall denying foraging mushrooms
By Joseph Dunstan
Erin's asked about previous evidence from another senior doctor at Monash Health, Rhonda Stuart, who saw Ms Patterson days after the lunch.
The doctor previously told the court she asked Erin where she had bought the mushrooms in the meal from but Erin was unable to tell her specifically.
Professor Stuart previously told the court she had asked Erin "if she'd been mushrooming and if she'd used any other mushrooms" but Erin told her no, she'd only used the two types of mushrooms described, from Woolworths and the Asian grocer.
"Do you accept that Professor Stuart asked you if you'd been mushrooming?" Dr Rogers asks.
"I accept that that's what she said," Ms Patterson says.
"Did you, in effect, say no to Professor Stuart?"
"To which question?"
"If you'd been mushrooming."
"I don't remember that conversation."
Dr Rogers suggests that in that conversation, Ms Patterson denied going mushrooming to Professor Stuart.
"I don't remember the conversation," Erin repeats.
Key Event
Just now
Erin says she doesn't recall denying foraging mushrooms
By Joseph Dunstan
Erin's asked about previous evidence from another senior doctor at Monash Health, Rhonda Stuart, who saw Ms Patterson days after the lunch.
The doctor previously told the court she asked Erin where she had bought the mushrooms in the meal from but Erin was unable to tell her specifically.
Professor Stuart previously told the court she had asked Erin "if she'd been mushrooming and if she'd used any other mushrooms" but Erin told her no, she'd only used the two types of mushrooms described, from Woolworths and the Asian grocer.
"Do you accept that Professor Stuart asked you if you'd been mushrooming?" Dr Rogers asks.
"I accept that that's what she said," Ms Patterson says.
"Did you, in effect, say no to Professor Stuart?"
"To which question?"
"If you'd been mushrooming."
"I don't remember that conversation."
Dr Rogers suggests that in that conversation, Ms Patterson denied going mushrooming to Professor Stuart.
"I don't remember the conversation," Erin repeats.
1 minute ago - 12:59 PMMax Corstorphan
She admitted to picking wild mushrooms between April 28 and the fateful lunch.
This evidence came despite Ms Patterson allegedly telling police and health authorities that she didn’t.
Those mushrooms were foraged from Ms Patterson’s property, the “botanical gardens” and potentially a rail track, the accused told the court.
thenightly.com.au
Erin Patterson ‘did pick wild mushrooms’ before fatal lunch
Ms Patterson told the court: “I did pick wild mushrooms.”She admitted to picking wild mushrooms between April 28 and the fateful lunch.
This evidence came despite Ms Patterson allegedly telling police and health authorities that she didn’t.
Those mushrooms were foraged from Ms Patterson’s property, the “botanical gardens” and potentially a rail track, the accused told the court.
Ex ‘would have had beef Wellington too’ if he’d come
LIVE UPDATES: Erin Patterson says she would have served ex-husband Simon Patterson a beef Wellington, too, if he had turned up to the deadly lunch.
thenightly.com.au
2m ago03.58 BST
Rogers takes Patterson to evidence by Dr Laura Muldoon that in a conversation with Patterson on 31 July while at Monash hospital, Patterson denied using wild mushrooms in the beef wellington.
Patterson says: “I think I did say that.” She says she did not think it was a lie at the time.
Under cross-examination, Patterson says she did pick wild mushrooms prior to 29 July 2023 - the day of the fateful lunch.
She says she did pick wild mushrooms on or after 28 April 2023 and prior to the lunch.
She says she did so at her Leongatha home, at Korumburra botanic gardens and from the “rail trail coming out of Leongatha”.
Rogers suggests Patterson lied to Muldoon. Patterson says she was only asked if she put wild mushrooms in the beef wellington meal.
Rogers takes Patterson to evidence by Dr Laura Muldoon that in a conversation with Patterson on 31 July while at Monash hospital, Patterson denied using wild mushrooms in the beef wellington.
Patterson says: “I think I did say that.” She says she did not think it was a lie at the time.
Under cross-examination, Patterson says she did pick wild mushrooms prior to 29 July 2023 - the day of the fateful lunch.
She says she did pick wild mushrooms on or after 28 April 2023 and prior to the lunch.
She says she did so at her Leongatha home, at Korumburra botanic gardens and from the “rail trail coming out of Leongatha”.
Rogers suggests Patterson lied to Muldoon. Patterson says she was only asked if she put wild mushrooms in the beef wellington meal.
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