Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[Jake18]

I was wondering if she had washed the trays, but the residue was on the inside of the walls, I don't think I would have thought to wipe that out....

It goes to show how durable the toxin is. Ridiculous that Erin states that scraping mushrooms off could have been enough for her children to have been unaffected

 

[katydid23]

3.42pm

‘Disagree’: Beef Wellington guests not told about cancer diagnosis, court told​

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Erin Patterson has denied telling her lunch guests on July 29, 2023, that she had a cancer diagnosis.

The jury is being shown a message sent by Patterson to her mother-in-law, Gail Patterson, on July 7, 2023, that read:


The court heard that nine days after that, the accused mother-of-two invited Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson to her home in Leongatha for lunch.

Asked by senior Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers about why she suggested they might talk more about it in person, Patterson responded she hadn’t decided to have lunch on July 29, 2023, at that point.







3.51pm

Language surrounding cancer talk at lunch scrutinised​

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Resuming her cross-examination, senior Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers pressed Erin Patterson on the details of what she communicated to her lunch guests about her health.

Rogers referred Patterson to part of her evidence yesterday, where she said she had misled her lunch guests to believe that she might need medical treatment after disclosing she had experienced health issues that led her to believe she had ovarian cancer.

“I can’t remember the exact words I used, as to whether I said I had or I might need to ... but I was trying to communicate that there might be some treatment coming up, but I really can’t give you any precision about the words I used,” Patterson said.

Patterson agreed that she had wanted her lunch guests to believe that she would be needing treatment for cancer. However, she disagreed that she had told the group that she had a cancer diagnosis.

Erin Patterson murder trial day 27 as it happened: ‘You thought the lunch guests would die’: A rare invitation and a ‘lie about cancer’

It was rare for Erin Patterson to host guests; having four people over for a meal was not an ordinary, casual event for the mother of two.

www.theage.com.au

She's just quibbling and deflecting.

She says she never told the group 'she had a cancer diagnosis'. but yet says she wanted to communicate that 'that there might be some medical treatment coming up.'

Isn't that only possible with a diagnosis?

 

[Detechtive]

If you had a purpose bought dehydrator, do you not think you would use it for dehydrating?

Ever since I've had an air-fryer, there are certain things I don't use the oven for because the air-fryer is better for them.

Not after I used it for death cap dehydrating, no.

 

[katydid23]

It goes to show how durable the toxin is. Ridiculous that Erin states that scraping mushrooms off could have been enough for her children to have been unaffected

Everything I've read about it is that it is very invasive. Mushrooms 'leak' the toxins out with the moisture that comes out during cooking process. If the mushrooms were in a gravy/paste on top of the meat, cooking in the oven, those deadly toxins would be released throughout the entire meal.

That is how we know 2 things for sure:

-----EP did not eat a Wellington with the death caps cooked together inside it.
Hers had to have been put together BEFORE she added the DC's. And she even described it yesterday, that she made the Duxelles and it was bland so she added the Tupperware smelly ones

---EP's children did not eat meat that had mushrooms scraped off---unless it was from EPO's safe BW

 

[MrJ]

She's attempting to gaslight the prosecution and jury. It won't work though because of prosecution witness testimony. Well that and the fact that, and it bears repeating, she has told heaps of lies that are proven lies

 

[JBowie]

She's attempting to gaslight the prosecution and jury. It won't work though because of prosecution witness testimony. Well that and the fact that, and it bears repeating, she has told heaps of lies that are proven lies

If I were the prosecutor in my closing I would number all of the lies that she has told and list them off, slowly, one at a time.

 

[Detechtive]

If I were the prosecutor in my closing I would number all of the lies that she has told and list them off, slowly, one at a time.

Which ironically, Mark Tedeschi did with the Keli Lane trial. The person Erin loathed for being a liar.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

If I were the prosecutor in my closing I would number all of the lies that she has told and list them off, slowly, one at a time.

Exactly this.

Literally the first thing the prosecution should say is that she has admitted lying so that people think better of her, she has admitted lying for attention and she has admitted lying to try and hide evidence of her guilt.

She has had time to consider the facts of this case and you cannot take any of her testimony as the truth, because she could just be doing the same thing and in fact almost certainly is.

 

[BreakingNews]

DBM

 

[Detechtive]

Does anyone else feel angry at this matter?

For so many reasons. Someone mentioned that she’s being legally funded by legal aid - that she wasn’t at first, but she is now due to clever financial manoeuvring. Does anyone know how to check if this is true?

If so I feel it’s a double assault on society that this circus of a trial is costing millions paid for by society, and so is her defence.

I feel we are being manipulated and played with.

IMO only

 

[katydid23]

What is the status of the custody of her children? Does anyone know? (Or have they since come of age.) As this was a key driver in all of this deception.

I'm assuming they are with their father now. That's the only family they have left now other than cousins/Aunts and Uncles, >Simon's siblings.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

"I suggest that you never thought you would have to account for this lie of having cancer, because you thought that the lunch guests would die and your lie would never be found out," Dr Rogers says.

"That's not true," Erin says.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

"My failure to break into the literary world in my 20s was devastating, yet it taught me a vital lesson. That it was not me who was wrong, but literature itself."

I heard this in Severence before. I'm not sure who it reminded me of?

 

[Detechtive]

I'm assuming they are with their father now. That's the only family they have left now other than cousins/Aunts and Uncles, >Simon's siblings.

That’s correct

 

[katydid23]

Pretty brazen of Erin to essentially call Simon and Ian liars and claim she never said she had cancer. Will the jury believe her or will it backfire if they can’t resolve two people testifying under oath with the same recollection?

Why would Simon and Ian lie? What would either of them gain from lying? Only Erin benefits.

Well, she called them liars for saying she said she was diagnosed with cancer.

But then she admits that she 'communicated' to them that she was being investigated for cancer and then may be having treatments for it in the future.

So she goes on to bizarrely imply that she was embarrassed about her plans to have bariatric surgery so she planned to pretend it was cancer treatment so she could get help with childcare etc in the future.

She was planning to pretend to have Ovarian cancer so she could get her stomach stapled? Was she going to shave her head too?

 

[Detechtive]

Well, she called them liars for saying she said she was diagnosed with cancer.

But then she admits that she 'communicated' to them that she was being investigated for cancer and then may be having treatments for it in the future.

So she goes on to bizarrely imply that she was embarrassed about her plans to have bariatric surgery so she planned to pretend it was cancer treatment so she could get help with childcare etc in the future.

She was planning to pretend to have Ovarian cancer so she could get her stomach stapled? Was she going to shave her head too?

Ah yes, ye olde classic prevarication - truth-adjacent but never quite touching it.

I hope the jury and the “Lindy Chamberlain” comparers are taking note.

 

[katydid23]

Leaving residue in the dehydrator actually points to her not knowing there was anything harmful in it.

I think a guilty person would have carefully washed and disposed of all contents much earlier.

If she didn't know there was anything harmful in it, why did she run home to tip it so fast? And then lie about it?

 

[Detechtive]

Some people will think cctv footage of the murder, the entire lead up, and an extensive hand written manifesto from the perpetrator are deep fakes. Thankfully we have juries directed by competent legal minds to adjudicate these matters in Australia.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Plenty of people have more than one phone, more than one device and more than one set of scales.

I don’t

 

[mamamama9873]

I think this case will come down to whether it’s reasonable to assume Erin could have been (almost) unaffected by the death caps given that she (allegedly) vomited her lunch back up after eating 2/3 cake 2 hours or so after the lunch.

I am thinking if the jury accepts that Erin didn’t get sick from eating the same lunch as her guests, she will likely walk as she wriggles her way out of all the evidence.

I have read here and elsewhere that death caps are immediately absorbed into the blood stream and vomiting wouldn’t negate the effects. I hope the prosecution will very clearly be able to highlight this to the jury.