Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[MrJ]

She really isn't above throwing anyone and everyone, her kids, social worker, even her estranged husband Simon, who is now an orphan and Ian, who is now a widow, under the bus to try and claw herself out of this mess. Absolutely disgusting

 

[MrJ]

Adjourned for the day or a meal break?

adjourned for the day, there's the King's Birthday public holiday in Victoria on Monday so we won't get underway until Tuesday next week.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Unbelievable.

Key Event
1m ago
Erin doesn't remember any web searches for death cap mushrooms

By Joseph Dunstan and Judd Boaz

Dr Rogers now asks Erin about her research skills, and Ms Patterson agrees she "can be" a good researcher, as her Facebook friends have suggested to the court.

Erin says she doesn't think finding information quickly online is "particular" to her.

Earlier in the trial, Victoria Police digital forensic expert Shamen Fox-Henry gave evidence about data found on hard drives in a Cooler Master computer in Erin Patterson's house.

Digital analysis showed records of access to the iNaturalist map of death cap mushrooms.

The court is shown a report generated as part of that analysis, which suggests that on May 28, 2022, the Bing search engine was used to look up the iNaturalist site.

"It does look like somebody did that, yes," Erin says. "I don't remember doing it. It's possible it was me. The only thing that gives me pause is I didn't use Internet Explorer or Bing, but I accept that maybe I did this time, I'm not sure."

Dr Rogers suggests she was not "randomly browing the internet" and knew what website she was looking for.

"I can't say that because I don't remember this," Erin says.

Dr Rogers says Erin knew what search term to enter to find iNaturalist because she had used the website before.

"I don't know," Erin says.

One of the worst performance in a witness box I can recall.

Surely every member of that jury must be wishing this could be wrapped up quickly so they can all agree on a guilty verdict and go home.

 

[L_B]

what are you referring to in particular. What do you feel has only come to light now that she's being cross examined?

Her rebuttals of others evidence, what she is claiming her intentions behind the meal, her bulimia, the supposed gastric surgery just to name some things

 

[JBowie]

"It does look like somebody did that, yes," Erin says. "I don't remember doing it. It's possible it was me. The only thing that gives me pause is I didn't use Internet Explorer or Bing, but I accept that maybe I did this time, I'm not sure."

Hey Erin, now is the time to use this:

 

[Yh5r]

Her rebuttals of others evidence, what she is claiming her intentions behind the meal, her bulimia, the supposed gastric surgery just to name some things

The rebuttal of other's evidence I agree with and possibly also the clarification of the intentions behind the meal.

However her alleged bulimia and supposed gastric bypass was brought up willingly by her as a defence witness. If these claims could be substantiated by experts, then it might increase her credibility?

 

[Megnut]

All this word salad reminds me of Letecia S, convicted murderer of little Gannon.

How can anyone swallow this malarkey?

I don't recommend swallowing anything she serves.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder at this point if she is regretting getting on the stand. A lot of this information would not have come to light if she hadn't testified...

I don't think she knows how poorly she's performing.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

Hey Erin, now is the time to use this:

So if it wasn't her, then she's throwing her kids under the bus, unless she's implying that Simon snuck in...

 

[L_B]

The rebuttal of other's evidence I agree with and possibly also the clarification of the intentions behind the meal.

However her alleged bulimia and supposed gastric bypass was brought up willingly by her as a defence witness. If these claims could be substantiated by experts, then it might increase her credibility?

If she had not gone on the stand in the first place would we know this?

 

[LinasK]

I don't recommend swallowing anything she serves.

You mean they wouldn't give her a job in the prison kitchen???

 

[MrJ]

However her alleged bulimia and supposed gastric bypass was brought up willingly by her as a defence witness. If these claims could be substantiated by experts, then it might increase her credibility?

The defence could bring in expert witnesses but the fact that they haven't yet is rather telling I think. Especially since I'm sure she brought all this up with her barristers before the trial. I mean, I hope she did.

 

[LinasK]

The rebuttal of other's evidence I agree with and possibly also the clarification of the intentions behind the meal.

However her alleged bulimia and supposed gastric bypass was brought up willingly by her as a defence witness. If these claims could be substantiated by experts, then it might increase her credibility?

I'm betting that both sides have looked into those potential witnesses by now.

 

[Yh5r]

If she had not gone on the stand in the first place would we know this?

We wouldn't but she offered these pieces of information to help herself - having bulimia and throwing up after the meal could possibly sway jurors to believe it negates the effect of the death cap poison and if she had booked a gastric bypass that she was embarrassed about, then it could come across as believable to some jurors that she disguised this as a cancer diagnosis (already odd in itself but even odder that she then didn't bring the gastric bypass up during the meal)?

I don't know what to think anymore and would love to know how the jurors are feeling. Guess we will find out eventually!

 

[MrJ]

having bulimia and throwing up after the meal could possibly sway jurors to believe it negates the effect of the death cap poison

Did the prosecution have an expert witness saying how long death cap mushrooms take to go through the body? Would’ve thought even if you did throw it up the toxins would still be there?

 

[Megnut]

Did the prosecution have an expert witness saying how long death cap mushrooms take to go through the body? Would’ve thought even if you did throw it up the toxins would still be there?

Maybe that's what the State is doing right now. Bulimia is her defense. Didn't know the mushrooms were toxic, survived only because she ate a small portion and vomited it up at an orange Creamsicle.

First the State has probably heard of this bulimia business. So now they need experts to rebut that. Just guessing.

JMO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

As mentioned, Friday is a shortened day of proceedings.

Justice Beale jumps in and calls an end to proceedings.

Before they leave, he tells the jury that there are still some lengthy legal discussions ahead of them after the long weekend.

Justice Beale also reminds them to not discuss the case with anyone else besides other jurors.

Court is adjourned.

( No wonder it's dragging on...)

 

[Yh5r]

Did the prosecution have an expert witness saying how long death cap mushrooms take to go through the body? Would’ve thought even if you did throw it up the toxins would still be there?

Not so far, I am hoping they will!

I feel the case will come down to this particular fact of why she wasn't sick and if it can be accepted that throwing up would negate the effects of the poison.

 

[L_B]

We wouldn't but she offered these pieces of information to help herself - having bulimia and throwing up after the meal could possibly sway jurors to believe it negates the effect of the death cap poison and if she had booked a gastric bypass that she was embarrassed about, then it could come across as believable to some jurors that she disguised this as a cancer diagnosis (already odd in itself but even odder that she then didn't bring the gastric bypass up during the meal)?

I don't know what to think anymore and would love to know how the jurors are feeling. Guess we will find out eventually!

My original comment "I wonder at this point if she is regretting getting on the stand. A lot of this information would not have come to light if she hadn't testified..." wasn't specific to her being cross examined. If she hadn't got on the stand, whose to know what would have been said and by whom. I was just wondering, based so far on her testimony and her responses to questions, whether that be her own admission or through cross, if she is regretting it now (or maybe she still thinks it was a good decision).

Even if she is found not guilty, the whole world is privvy to things I am sure she never wanted public, plus the general perception the public may form of her based on how she has acted, regardless of guilt. eg Do you think anyone would want her to cook them a meal?

 

[sripey]

A huge thank you to @MrJ and @MsMarple, and others in days past, for the time consuming effort you made to connect goofs like me, on the east coast of the U.S, to this trial. I really appreciate it.