Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

This, if true, satisfies my question.

I was also thinking she had an option to not allow police to search her home without a search warrant, but this would automatically make her look guilty, and secondly, would police need a search warrant for her outside bin (which is still within the boundary of her property though)?

I'm not sure about in AUS, but I think in the US there are emergency situations where LE is allowed to enter a property. Like if they have reason to believe someone is injured or unwell, needs emergency help, OR if someone's medicine or vital thing is in that property and needs to be retrieved to save a life, etc.

I think they could make a case that the 4 hospitalised guests needed the leftovers retrieved for emergency medical testing.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

This, if true, satisfies my question.

I was also thinking she had an option to not allow police to search her home without a search warrant, but this would automatically make her look guilty, and secondly, would police need a search warrant for her outside bin (which is still within the boundary of her property though)?

They would have produced a search warrant, and yes, that includes around the property.
The only time they don't need to produce a search warrant is

• You allow them to
• They think a major crime is about to happen.
• They think a major crime has happened.
• They think drugs are on the property or in the car.
• If there is a fight going on.
• If an intervention order has been broken.

With Erin, they came twice to do another search

 

[MaxDecimus13]

As someone else said, she did sadly seem to live in a bubble. Ie out of touch with real friends and people.

So I do think there's every possibility that she really thought it was a watertight and plausible scenario in their circles for all 4-5 people to go down (in varying stages and severity) with gastro and later die, due to their age and poor health.

They live in different towns. She may have also thought no professionals would ever connect the dots (in time)?

AMOO

It's not that I'm defending her, and think she is innocent etc.

The reality is that if she is innocent there are some really implausible aspects of the case that need accounting for but the exact same is true if she is guilty.

Maybe that's what has made this such an interesting case, there are so many bizarre details that none of it appears to make sense!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

As someone else said, she did sadly seem to live in a bubble. Ie out of touch with real friends and people.

So I do think there's every possibility that she really thought it was a watertight and plausible scenario in their circles for all 4-5 people to go down (in varying stages and severity) with gastro and later die, due to their age and poor health.

They live in different towns. She may have also thought no professionals would ever connect the dots (in time)?

AMOO

Where else did they all eat the same food at the same time though?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

100% agree. I have also thought about this - I could always narrow it down to one or in worst case 2 different shops at least. We have to consider that Erin was very capable of dealing with her everyday life - things like cooking an elaborate meal and getting children to activities on time was not a problem to her.
Yet she supposedly couldn’t remember which shop she bought the mushrooms from only a few months ago? We also have to keep in mind that she grew up in the area of Melbourne (Glen Waverley) she bought the mushrooms from. She had an investment property there and I think it had been mentioned that she went there every couple of months. So it’s certainly not a new and unfamiliar area to her which makes it even more unlikely that she couldn’t remember.

IMO Erin saying she can’t remember is a very obvious lie based on my thoughts above.

 

[MrJ]

If she is innocent… why lie? Why withhold crucial info from authorities involved?

 

[Scuffy35]

If she is innocent… why lie? Why withhold crucial info from authorities involved?

If she admitted to begin with that it was an accident (and we assume for the sake of the argument this was true) that her foraging resulted in DCs ending up in the lunch, it would still be regarded as manslaughter?

 

[L_B]

I am pretty sure it came out in evidence she gave police code to her gate to get in to retrieve the leftovers?

 

[Lisa4]

Where else did they all eat the same food at the same time though?

Gastro as in an infectious tummy bug, not food poisoning

 

[JBowie]

I am pretty sure it came out in evidence she gave police code to her gate to get in to retrieve the leftovers?

Mandy asks Patterson about a phone conversation with police, facilitated by Webster, about where the leftovers from the meal were.

She says she spoke directly to police at one point and told them the gate code to the property. She said she told police the beef wellington leftovers were in a bin, but could not remember if it was an outside bin or a kitchen bin.

Erin Patterson trial day 26 – as it happened

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www.theguardian.com

 

[Detechtive]

I think Lindy and Erin have about ZERO things in common. IMO

Oh not this old chestnut.

People drag it out whenever a woman is charged with anything. Poor Lindy, she’s been through enough already. It’s so abusive to continually compare her to these heinous alleged murderers (I’m including Kathleen Folbigg here too).
Appalling and I wish it would stop.

 

[Detechtive]

I think Lindy and Erin have about ZERO things in common. IMO

I have got to give it you Katie, you seem well versed on Aussie crimes

 

[MrJ]

Oh not this old chestnut.

People drag it out whenever a woman is charged with anything. Poor Lindy, she’s been through enough already. It’s so abusive to continually compare her to these heinous alleged murderers (I’m including Kathleen Folbigg here too).
Appalling and I wish it would stop.

Agreed. It’s downright disgusting. Plus she wasn’t self-centred and DIDN’T TAKE THE STAND.

 

[Detechtive]

If she is innocent… why lie? Why withhold crucial info from authorities involved?

“Being a liar doesn’t make you a murderer”

Welllll actually it does. If you’re lying around the events of a homicide you are more than likely the perpetrator. IMO

 

[Detechtive]

Agreed. It’s downright disgusting. Plus she wasn’t self-centred and DIDN’T TAKE THE STAND.

Not to mention, she was a victim of losing her child and not once did her story change.

It makes me furious that people continue to abuse her with these continual comparisons. It’s disgusting.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she had been slowly poisoning Simon ,for a few weeks, last year. And it never came back to her. She got away with it even though he was in a coma for months.

So I believe she was emboldened by that experience. And I think that she believed that there was no clear cut way to medically test for Death Cap toxins in patients, which was true until very recently.

So with all the pandemics, and airborne illnesses going around, I think she was vainly confident that they would be tested for all kinds of other possible infections before they would consider her any kind of threat. After all, Simon wasn't even there. What possible motive could she have to harm her pastor and his wife and her beloved in-laws?

I don't think she was careless but do think she was stupid, or perhaps blinded by anger/resentment for perceived disrespect from Simon's family and from Simon.

And I think you nailed it with 'arrogant in the extreme.' I see that with her on the stand---mocking the Dr for using the term 'mushrooming' and mocking the 'silly' police for allowing her to talk on her phone in private during the search, and for daring to leave her seized phone on wifi long enough for her to wipe it clean.

Extremely arrogant enough to pose as an ovarian cancer victim and allow her kind relatives to pray for her health, all the while she secretly revels in her dark secret of their imminent deaths. Allegedly, IMO.

I agree with you that she'd possibly been poisoning Simon for some time, but re her poisoning his family, air born illnesses or pandemics wouldn't cause your liver and kidneys to close down...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Now starting to think her intent was make them ill, and conceited enough to think the case would be attributed elsewhere than her eg the pub that served mushrooms or another unsuspecting host

She threw in too much powder and the panicked she would be charged w murder n lied lied and lied some more

Did she want one of those four to die… very possibly but she stuffed up and dosed them all.

She weighed the Death Caps.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I think Lindy and Erin have about ZERO things in common. IMO

Both famous/infamous is about all I can come up with.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Exactly . She wanted Simon n His siblings to get the money so she would t have to share hers

But Simon was invited to her 'special' lunch, remember?

 

[JBowie]