Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

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10.41am

Erin Patterson denies lying in her evidence​

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Accused killer Erin Patterson, dressed in a paisley top and black pants, has returned to the Supreme Court witness box to continue her evidence.

Crown prosecutor Dr Nanette Rogers, SC, has resumed her cross-examination by asking Patterson about evidence she gave on Friday about a pre-surgery appointment for a gastric bypass booked in for September 2023 at the Enrich Clinic in Melbourne.

Rogers has put to Patterson that the clinic she booked an appointment at does not offer bypass surgery.

“I don’t know, I am a bit puzzled,” Patterson replied.

“Well, that was ... I had an appointment with that and that’s what my memory was that the appointment was for.”

Patterson said the appointment was for weight-related reasons. She said she had also been looking at liposuction.

Asked by Rogers whether she had lied in her evidence on Friday, Patterson responded: “That was not a lie, that’s what my memory was.”

10.56am

Patterson says she can’t recall visiting website that logged death caps​

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Erin Patterson’s demeanour appears flat as she sits in the witness box at the start of week seven of her murder trial. She is wearing reading glasses as the prosecution shows her records from the iNaturalist website.

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is asking Patterson about a series of searches of the iNaturalist website in May 2022 retrieved from a computer seized by police from her home in Leongatha in 2023.

Among those, the court has heard, was one for an observation of death cap mushrooms in a reserve in Moorabbin, posted by another user on May 18, 2022 and accessed on Patterson’s computer 10 days later, on May 28, 2022.

Asked by Rogers about her use and familiarity with the website, Patterson said she could not remember ever visiting the site.

Patterson said her interest in death cap mushrooms was about whether they “lived” in South Gippsland.

11.03am

Prosecutor asks accused about accessing website while in pub​

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Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is asking Erin Patterson whether she accessed the iNaturalist website while the accused was in a pub in Korumburra. Here is part of their exchange:


Rogers said there were receipts from the Korumburra Middle Pub for an order, and links to Patterson’s name and phone number.

Asked by Rogers whether she had purchased the order, Patterson said: “The food was paid for.”

“I don’t remember if it was me,” Patterson added.

11.11am

How Patterson says she served the beef Wellington to her lunch guests​

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Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is asking accused killer Erin Patterson about the fatal lunch on July 29, 2023, and the allocation of meals at the time.

Patterson’s evidence is that she plated the individual beef Wellingtons on the island bench on five separate plates, while two of her guests, Don Patterson and Ian Wilkinson, were at the side of the table near a bookshelf.

From left: Don Patterson, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson died after ingesting poisonous mushrooms. Ian Wilkinson (right) survived after spending months in hospital.

From left: Don Patterson, Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson died after ingesting poisonous mushrooms. Ian Wilkinson (right) survived after spending months in hospital.

Rogers has reminded Patterson of evidence given earlier by the trial by Wilkinson, when he described Patterson serving the food to her four guests on four large grey dinner plates. Wilkinson told the court Patterson ate from a smaller orange-tan plate.

The prosecutor has today suggested to Patterson that she lied during her evidence about her dinner plates, which she said comprised two white plates, two black plates, a red and black plate, and a plate with kindergarten drawings.



















12.29pm

The bathroom visits and how much information the accused shared with estranged husband​

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Following a brief mid-morning break, prosecutor Dr Nanette Rogers, SC, has resumed her cross-examination of Erin Patterson by asking the accused about her son’s evidence earlier in the trial.

In his evidence, the boy said that about 11am or 11.30am on July 30, 2023 – the day after the fatal lunch – he stopped playing computer games and told Patterson they did not have to go to his flying lesson, but Patterson insisted they go.

“I was pretty keen to take him, yeah,” Patterson told the court.

“There was no usual time of the lesson, but we would usually leave 90 minutes before the lesson.”

Patterson said it would usually take about 70 minutes to get to the location of the flying lessons, but the children would usually ask to stop along the way for food so she allowed 90 minutes to drive there.

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, on Tuesday.

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, on Tuesday.Credit: Jason South

Rogers has taken Patterson to evidence by her estranged husband Simon Patterson, that the accused reported experiencing diarrhoea symptoms on the Saturday evening in the hours after the lunch, which made it difficult to drive her son’s friend back to his home.

Patterson said that at that point she had experienced some “loose bowel movements”.

She said she could not remember telling Simon that she was worried about getting out of the car when she drove her son’s friend home, and took her son to a Subway store that night in case she had an accident.

Asked by Rogers whether she had told Simon she needed to go to the bathroom every 20 minutes or so, Patterson said she could not remember specifically sharing that information, but she might have.

“I might have said that was happening at its worst. But I can’t remember specifically,” Patterson told the jury.

Patterson said she couldn’t remember telling Simon her diarrhoea began in the afternoon after the lunch.

“I would have said that the diarrhoea continued through the night,” Patterson said.

“I did not tell him I was afraid I’d poo my pants.”


12.46pm

‘I definitely was grumpy’: Patterson’s frustration with flying instructor on day after lunch​

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Erin Patterson is being asked by prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, about evidence her son gave earlier in the trial, in which he said that his mother didn’t need to stop to use the toilet during their drive to the boy’s flying lesson on the day after the fatal lunch.

Rogers is asking Patterson about a phone conversation on July 30, 2023 that the accused had with her son’s flying instructor as the mother and son drove to his flying lesson. The instructor rang to say the lesson would be cancelled due to bad weather, the trial heard.

“I definitely was grumpy,” Patterson told the jury.

She said she had experienced similar issues over the preceding months, where she would get a phone call from the instructor cancelling a lesson about five or 10 minutes before it was scheduled, when she and her son were already an hour into the drive to Tyabb.

“They had been doing that for a while,” Patterson said.

A court sketch of Erin Patterson last week.

A court sketch of Erin Patterson last week.Credit: Anita Lester

Patterson said that she told the instructor in an earlier phone call that Sunday – the day after the lunch – to please call the lesson off as early as possible.

“I got a call 10 minutes before the lesson, so I was a bit frustrated,” Patterson said.

She said she probably shared that frustration with the flying instructor.

Asked about evidence from her son that they stopped at a doughnut van for a coffee during the return trip to Leongatha, Patterson said she stayed in the car while both her children got out.

Patterson told the jury she thought she had “a little bit” of the coffee and likely threw the rest out when she arrived home.

12.58pm

‘Were you the chef?’ Seeing the doctor in the days after the lunch​

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Erin Patterson attended Leongatha Hospital on a Monday morning on July 31, 2023 – two days after the lunch – and prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is now asking the accused woman about that visit.

Patterson agreed she presented to the urgent care centre shortly after 8am and Dr Chris Webster came to the door.

She told the jury she did not remember ringing the doorbell before being led inside and “squatting against the wall”.

Dr Chris Webster outside court on May 7.

Dr Chris Webster outside court on May 7.Credit: Jason South

Patterson agreed with Webster’s evidence from earlier in the trial that he apologised for keeping her waiting and asked for her name. But she said she couldn’t remember the doctor asking where she had purchased the mushrooms from.


Patterson said her recollection was that when she told Webster her name, he “immediately communicated that it meant something” to him.

“He recognised who Erin Patterson is and brought me through the doors. I remember him saying to me something like, ‘Were you the chef? Were you the host?’ And he either asked me what I’d made or asked me ... I remember him saying to me, ‘Did you make the beef Wellingtons or buy them pre-made?’” Patterson said.

“And that stuck in my memory because I didn’t know you could buy them pre-made, and I said I’d made them. My memory is he asked, ‘Where did you get the ingredients from for the beef Wellington?’ And my answer was Woolworths.”

Rogers asked the accused about evidence Webster gave that Patterson did not ask any questions after he communicated he was concerned the lunch attendees had ingested death cap mushrooms. Patterson told the jury she had asked a couple of questions, but the doctor hadn’t answered them.

“I asked him a question or two and he was very busy, and he walked off to do other things, left me with the nurse. I remember saying to him at the very least, ‘Why do you think we’ve eaten death cap mushrooms?’” she said.

Patterson said that after she discharged herself from the hospital, she tried to return three phone calls from Webster at least twice but could not get through to the hospital.

“I tried to respond twice. Sometime after his last phone call to me and before I went back to the hospital,” she said.


1.11pm

An eye roll and a shrug when questions turn to nurse’s evidence​

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Erin Patterson rolled her eyes while seated in the witness box when prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, said she would read to the court evidence from Leongatha Hospital nurse Kylie Ashton.

Patterson then closed her eyes and huffed when pressed if she said she told Ashton she wasn’t prepared to be admitted to hospital soon after she arrived.

Moments later, Patterson shrugged when asked if Ashton told her she wanted the mother of two to stay in hospital for her own health and safety.



“I don’t remember her using those words,” Patterson told the jury.

Patterson told the court she remembered feeling “a little bit anxious” because medical staff were communicating to her that they couldn’t tell her what was going on with the other people who had been at the lunch.


Patterson said no one had advised her to attend the hospital. She agreed she had told Ashton she didn’t want to go into a bay because she had not come prepared to stay overnight.

The accused said she was told that medical staff wanted to transfer her to Monash Medical Centre. But she said she didn’t know whether it was Ashton or Dr Chris Webster who told her.

Patterson told the jury she couldn’t remember having a conversation with Ashton about her children.

She agreed she had told the nurse that she would return to the hospital, but said she did not give Ashton a specific time as to when she would return.

Patterson told the court she remembered feeling “a little bit anxious” because medical staff were communicating to her that they couldn’t tell her what was going on with the other people who had been at the lunch.
This will be what the ABC podcast goes with. “Erin was anxiously waiting for news about the other guests but the medical staff were ignoring her”
 
How common is it, for a homeowner (not necessarily a short-term renter or student), to not have a set of matching dishes in Australia? (Seriously asking.)
In the U.S., I believe, we normally have at least six. Sometimes eight, ten, or even twelve. (Especially if recently married!)
Allowing for breakage, over time, of course.
I'd say having at least one matching set would be the norm. I'm not great with plates (I'm pretty clumsy and they get chipped/broken a fair bit) so I stick with plain white from the same store. Been buying the same set and matching plain pieces for like, 15 years. I can't think of anyone I know that just has multiple individual plates; multiple sets, yes. While I certainly don't think mismatched plates = murderer, I do think living with that kind of chaos as a well-off middle aged homeowner (I wouldn't think twice about a uni student having mismatched plates) is indicative perhaps of a messy, careless way of thinking about things
 
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Dr Rogers puts to Erin Patterson that she was "stressed" during that hospital visit because the doctors had suggested death cap mushroom poisoning had occurred.

"I suggest that you were shocked that the doctors were onto death cap ... so quickly," Dr Rogers says.

"I was anxious at the idea that we might have eaten those things," Erin says.

"And you were worried that you were going to get caught. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Incorrect," Erin replies.

"... You weren't prepared to answer questions about why death cap mushrooms were in the meal. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I'm not sure anyone asked me ... so I'm not sure what you're referring to," Erin replies.

The jury then breaks for lunch.

BBM. Who's 'we'? I know she means her guests. But c'monnnn, Erin, you weren't showing any symptoms of DC poisoning. Be for real!
"I was anxious at the idea that we might have eaten those things," Erin says.


Distancing language right there from Erin...
 
I'd say having at least one matching set would be the norm. I'm not great with plates (I'm pretty clumsy and they get chipped/broken a fair bit) so I stick with plain white from the same store. Been buying the same set and matching plain pieces for like, 15 years. I can't think of anyone I know that just has multiple individual plates; multiple sets, yes. While I certainly don't think mismatched plates = murderer, I do think living with that kind of chaos as a well-off middle aged homeowner (I wouldn't think twice about a uni student having mismatched plates) is indicative perhaps of a messy, careless way of thinking about things
Even mis-matched plates are usually the result of a depleted set - breakage usually the culprit. I've got two sets, each with one or two missing, a couple of different sets of bowls, again with one or two missing, same with sideplates. On top of that, I have some unique "plating" plates/bowls, bought for presenting, or "plating" specific dishes, but I'm bougee like that.
 
" Q-Manday: Do you accept that there were death caps in the lunch you served? "
" A- EP : Yes, I do accept that."


That container of smelly asian mushrooms bought in area of her old home in Melbourne was then moved to her new home? <<<I never realised that before.

Not only did she not toss those funny smelling mushrooms out, she actually moved them from her old house to her new house? ;according to the guardian u-tube---



And then she added other mushrooms she had picked to that Tupperware.
{ her story ignored the fact that she had powdered those mushrooms---in her version of the story they were dried mushrooms, not powdered mushrooms. ----but tests later confirmed that the only mushrooms pieces found in the leftovers were regular non-toxic button mushrooms]


Also that you-tube described something I hadn't put together before-----apparently the prosecution laid out the timeline with those pictures on her phone of the death caps drying on th dehydrator trays, and then on the scales were she was weighing them out.

Those pictures, identified by the fungi expert as being Death Caps----they were dated just days after the alleged visit to Outrim to the Death Capo sightings. ]
To me that implies that she took the photos to know what to pick- not what to avoid.
 
Why is every witness' testimony different to Erin's recollection.... 🤔


Patterson rejects doctor’s claims that she ‘did not ask any questions’ after death cap mushroom revelation​

Patterson is being questioned about her trip to Leongatha Hospital on 31 July.

The court has previously heard from Dr Christopher Webster that he was busy tending to Ian and Heather Wilkinson when Patterson arrived at the emergency room.

He told the court, that after realising Patterson was a fifth member of the lunch, he expressed to her that there was a concern about death cap mushrooms being in the meal.

Asked by Rogers if she remembered his evidence, Patterson said she did.

Rogers: “His evidence is that you did not ask him any questions after he told you there was a concern of death cap mushroom poisoning.

“Did he ask you where you got the mushrooms?”

Patterson: “He did not ask me where I got the mushrooms... Unless if he did the second time. But I do not remember him asking me then.”

Patterson said her recollection of her encounter with Dr Webster was different to his.

Patterson: “What I remember is, when I told him my name, he immediately communicated that that meant something - like he recognised who Erin Patterson is - and he brought me through the doors and asked me if I was the chef.

“I remember him saying to me ‘did you make the beef wellingtons or buy them pre-made’. That stuck with me because I didn’t know you could buy them pre-made.
I also don't believe her when she says she didn't know you could buy them pre-made. Maybe it is unfair as I don't know about Australian markets, but I know in the US and in the UK, it is quite common to see Beef Wellingtons for sale in shops, especially during the holidays.

She has already said she goes to markets to shop quite frequently---it's hard for me to believe she has never seen BWs pre-made for sale.

I think it is one of her quick off the cuff lies she uses as cover----just like ' internet showed her there are no death caps in Gippsland', and 'she did ask Dr Webster questions but he just walked away" etc
“Then he said ‘where did you get the ingredients?” and I said Woolworths.”

Rogers put it to Patterson that Dr Webster said Patterson did not ask any questions.

Patterson said that was not the case.

Patterson: “I remember saying to him at the very least ‘why do you think we have eaten death cap mushrooms?’ but he walked away, so maybe he didn’t hear me.”
 
Even mis-matched plates are usually the result of a depleted set - breakage usually the culprit. I've got two sets, each with one or two missing, a couple of different sets of bowls, again with one or two missing, same with sideplates. On top of that, I have some unique "plating" plates/bowls, bought for presenting, or "plating" specific dishes, but I'm bougee like that.
Yep, that's why I don't bother with a matching set for day to day, but if I have guests I am whipping out the "nice" plates!
 
I also don't believe her when she says she didn't know you could buy them pre-made. Maybe it is unfair as I don't know about Australian markets, but I know in the US and in the UK, it is quite common to see Beef Wellingtons for sale in shops, especially during the holidays.

She has already said she goes to markets to shop quite frequently---it's hard for me to believe she has never seen BWs pre-made for sale.

I think it is one of her quick off the cuff lies she uses as cover----just like ' internet showed her there are no death caps in Gippsland', and 'she did ask Dr Webster questions but he just walked away" etc
The UK supermarkets do have more of those sort of pre-made meals for sale than here in Australia to be fair.
 
Erin’s son didn’t notice her stopping the car and running off into the bush to poo? Is this another lie?
My teens would have ABSOLUTELY noticed if I ever did that. They'd never let me live it down. lol How does a teen boy not notice if the driver of the car, his mom, runs into the bush to poop.
 
More on sub judice:

From AI: If you strongly believe someone is innocent or guilty, but the case is still sub judice (i.e., ongoing trial), you must be extremely careful not to prejudice the legal process. However, it’s still possible to express your views responsibly and legally by focusing on:
  • Your emotional reaction, not judgment.
  • The process, not the outcome.
  • The need for justice, not a presumption of guilt.

Also my own research from AI resource
Sub judice example
  • "I saw the video — there’s no way he’s innocent.
Reframed example
  • "That video is disturbing, but I know the court will examine all the evidence properly. We have to let the process play out."

Summary tips again from an AI resource:

Replace “He is guilty/He is innocent” with “If found guilty/If found innocent”

Replace “He should go to jail” with “If the evidence proves guilt, the court should sentence appropriately.”

Use words like “alleged,” “accused,” “awaiting trial,” “under investigation”.

Center your comments on due process, the impact on victims, or the need for fair trials, not personal judgment.



I would be grateful for tips and comments from others who have been here longer. 🙂
Us Americans on this case are grateful for this guidance. I didn't speak much about this trial until it was underway for that reason. American laws aren't so strict on social media. Prospective jurors are weeded out to make sure that they haven't seen what we comment on the guilt/innocence of a suspect
 
I imagine/hope that the jurors are listening very carefully to EP’s answers. I do believe she’s coming undone with her numerous lies and inability to keep her story straight replacing old lies with new ones. It’s honestly a terrible look. The reasonable doubt doesn’t seem that way now imo
 
1m ago10.54 AEST

Erin Patterson says she does not remember ever visiting website iNaturalist​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC takes ErinPatterson to a digital report of a computer that police seized from her house a week after the lunch.

The court previously heard that electronic records from the computer showed it had been used to visit webpages listing sightings of death cap mushrooms on the citizen science website iNaturalist in May 2022.

Patterson says she does not remember ever visiting iNaturalist.

Rogers says Patterson was familiar with the website because she entered it as the search term on the search engine.

“I would have to disagree,” Patterson says.

Asked about her interest in death cap mushrooms, Patterson says she only wanted to know whether they grew in South Gippsland.

The court has previously heard that a URL visited minutes afterwards on the same computer on 28 May 2022 appeared to show an order for food had been placed at the Korumburra Middle Hotel.

Rogers says Patterson placed this order.

Patterson says “I don’t know.”
Between today's lies about the gastric bypass surgery/liposuction and visiting the INauralist website- who else does she think could have done those things? Is she trying to suggest that one of her kids did those things or that Simon snuck in and did it? No one else used her computer. No one else took the mushroom photos on her phone. We aren't stupid!
 
We also need to remember that EP 'lost faith' in the medical system partly bc her son's knee was scanned incorrectly. She told staff they had scanned the wrong knee, and requested a scan of the other side. But now she is unable to recall whether her surgery was for a gastric band or liposuction?
There is so much lead up to any surgery- multiple consultations, scans, medical history review....IMO it is 99.9% improbable to confuse the two.

As someone mentioned earlier, the most bizarre thing is who does EP think will believe all of this?? It's verging on comedic at this point.
Yes, why is someone who "lost faith in the medical system" going to book invasive voluntary weight-loss procedures?
 
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