Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Jess D]

Erin 'anxious' and 'stressed' at hospital presentation​

Dr Rogers puts to Erin Patterson that she was "stressed" during that hospital visit because the doctors had suggested death cap mushroom poisoning had occurred.

"I suggest that you were shocked that the doctors were onto death cap ... so quickly," Dr Rogers says.

"I was anxious at the idea that we might have eaten those things," Erin says.

"And you were worried that you were going to get caught. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Incorrect," Erin replies.

"... You weren't prepared to answer questions about why death cap mushrooms were in the meal. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I'm not sure anyone asked me ... so I'm not sure what you're referring to," Erin replies.

The jury then breaks for lunch.

Even though Dr Webster previously told the court and others told Ms Patterson there was a concern about death cap mushroom poisoning, and he asked her where she got the mushrooms.!

She is Incredible, everyone is lying but her!! .

denialism​

noun​

de·ni·al·ism di-ˈnī(-ə)l-ˌi-zəm
dē-

: the practice of denying the existence, truth, or validity of something despite proof or strong evidence that it is real, true, or valid

 

[Doesitmakesense]

I genuinely think the only way Erin could save herself (at least temporarily) from this dumpster fire of a cross-examination performance would be if she fake-fainted on the witness stand

I've been envisioning a dramatic heart attack

 

[LinasK]

Who's actually believing this on the jury?

1m ago
Car drive to Tyabb

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor's line of questioning then returns to the car trip to Tyabb made by Erin and her children on Sunday for a planned flying lesson for Erin's son.

The court hears Erin's son told police that at no time on the trip did his mother need to go to the toilet.

Last week Ms Patterson told the court her diarrhoea had forced her to stop by the side of the highway and relieve herself in some bushes.

The court briefly focuses on the frustration Erin Patterson expressed to her son's flying instructor when the lesson was cancelled at the last minute after they'd travelled about an hour from Leongatha.

"Pretty sure I did complain, yes ... because I'd had a lot of problems with Tyabb over the months that [my son] was doing his flying lessons," Ms Patterson says.

On the way back, Ms Patterson says they stopped at Koo Wee Rup and her children got out of the car. She says her son bought her a coffee, which she drank a little of. She says she probably threw the rest out.

So she's admitting drinking some coffee. That tells me right there that she lied about having diarrhea. Coffee gives you diarrhea- it's acidic and a diuretic. There's no possible way that you already have diarrhea and then consume coffee.

 

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[Eloise]

Us Americans on this case are grateful for this guidance. I didn't speak much about this trial until it was underway for that reason. American laws aren't so strict on social media. Prospective jurors are weeded out to make sure that they haven't seen what we comment on the guilt/innocence of a suspect

even with subjudice laws the onus is still on the jury members to not look and to not do their own research

 

[katydid23]

Is this all becoming a bit of a farce? Like a really bad episode of Judge Judy?

IMO, the only tactic I can think of here is 'flooding the zone' (which Trump is said to have very successfully employed). Yes, it's applies to politics but some of it is reminiscent here- 'it works not by creating a consensus around any particular narrative but by muddying the waters so that consensus isn’t achievable' It's aims are to overwhelm, disorient and manipulate. Maybe I'm reaching here....just a thought.

There are so many alleged inconsistencies in EP's evidence, how will the prosecution have time to debunk them all? And how will the jury process and disseminate all this information?

I think the prosecution will give a VERY clear cut, simple closing statement. And it will be narrowed down to a finely focused timeline of events and will dismiss all of the extraneous details, and just set forth the relevant facts. IMO

 

[LinasK]

I don’t think she had tylenol, and I don’t even think you can buy tylenol here. Do you mean paracetamol? I don’t think she had that, either. She had Imodium (which stops diahorrea) if you believe what Erin says, which I don’t. IMO

Yes. Isn't Paracetamol the equivalent of Tylenol?

 

[Eloise]

Yes. Isn't Paracetamol the equivalent of Tylenol?

paracetamol aka acetaminophen is Tylenol yep, sold as Panadol (among other brands) in Australia

 

[LinasK]

Oh I see your point. Yes but I believe that all painkiller medication is processed by the liver and has a toxic load. Paracetamol is the worst, I believe.

Yes, I was finding it odd to give her Fentanyl- a heavy duty narcotic- for a headache. I have experience with both. I was given Fentanyl in a hospital for a medical procedure.

 

[katydid23]

Key Event
Just now
Erin 'anxious' and 'stressed' at hospital presentation

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers puts to Erin Patterson that she was "stressed" during that hospital visit because the doctors had suggested death cap mushroom poisoning had occurred.

"I suggest that you were shocked that the doctors were onto death cap ... so quickly," Dr Rogers says.

"I was anxious at the idea that we might have eaten those things," Erin says.

"And you were worried that you were going to get caught. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"Incorrect," Erin replies.

"... You weren't prepared to answer questions about why death cap mushrooms were in the meal. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I'm not sure anyone asked me ... so I'm not sure what you're referring to," Erin replies.

The jury then breaks for lunch.

BBM. Who's 'we'? I know she means her guests. But c'monnnn, Erin, you weren't showing any symptoms of DC poisoning. Be for real!

"... You weren't prepared to answer questions about why death cap mushrooms were in the meal. Correct or incorrect?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I'm not sure anyone asked me ... so I'm not sure what you're referring to," Erin replies."


That is the statement right before lunch break? She is clinging to her claim that NO ONE asked where the mushrooms came from?

That is not believable. Why was the doctor urgently calling her after she left the hospital ?

 

[Bats]

'Disagreeing' with someone's testimony .... is not saying that that person was lying.

 

[LinasK]

Topic/Event	Memory Quality	Helps or Hurts Her Position	Commentary
Describing plating of beef Wellington	Vague	Hurts	Claims she doesn’t remember plating specifics, despite it being the key event.
Colour of plates used (vs Ian Wilkinson’s evidence)	Defensive / Conflicted	Hurts	Denies grey/orange plate claim; later says “maybe it was the kindergarten plate.”
Level of consumption at the lunch	Evasive / Variable	Hurts	Sometimes “half,” sometimes “don’t recall,” varies across audiences.
Recollection of being seen drinking coffee Monday morning	Firm (denial)	Helps	Denies drinking coffee; insists it was lemon and ginger tea.
Recollection of son's quote about skipping church	Detailed & Contradictory	Helps	Rejects son’s memory; provides full alternative version of the exchange.
Her post-lunch vomiting and diarrhoea	Variable / Selective	Mixed	Describes vomiting in some detail; diarrhoea frequency shifts across retellings.
Trip to Tyabb – toilet stop in bushes	Firm (conflicting)	Hurts	Insists on roadside stop; son says she didn’t need the toilet at all.
Doctor Webster asking about mushrooms	Reframed	Mixed	Acknowledges “Woolworths” but disputes context of the question.
Attempting to return calls to the hospital	Vague	Hurts	Can’t recall exact time; insists she tried twice despite 3 voicemails.
Refusing hospital bay admission	Rationalised	Mixed	Admits reluctance, says it was about IVs and anxiety, not non-compliance.
Recollection of son's witness statement details	Detailed	Helps	Eager to provide alternate version—suggests selective clarity.

Good summary- but I disagree that the drinking coffee helps her. To me it hurts her because there's no way that you are drinking coffee if you really have diarrhea. Only if she really WAS drinking Ginger Tea does it help her.

 

[LinasK]

Key Event
1m ago

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By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then walks through other aspects of nurse Kylie Ashton's evidence, including the conversation she had with Erin about being admitted.

The court hears Ms Patterson told her she wasn't prepared to be admitted to hospital and needed to go and look after her animals.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that the nurse had told her about other unwell guests and warned her that her life was at risk.

"She did not say that," Ms Patterson says.

She says that there was "no conversation" about her children at this point, refuting another part of the nurse's evidence being relayed to her by Dr Rogers.

Ms Patterson agrees she signed a "discharge against medical advice" form and then left the hospital.

Good thing the hospital discharged her AMA. If she had really been sick, this would have been their protection.

 

[Gavel Rash]

So directly upon leaving the hospital anfter discharging herself on panic the Death Cap Mushroom reference from doctors and nurses, Erin goes home and proceeds to drive to two other locations.
This is the possible ‘time frame’ she could have disposed of any other items of incrimination re plates, grinding paraphernalia, powder leftovers etc.

 

[MrJ]

More lies incoming, people!

Key Event
1m ago
Jury returns from lunch break

By Joseph Dunstan

The hearing has resumed, and crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC picks up her cross-examination of Erin Patterson.

She's asking her about her visit to Leongatha Hospital on Monday, July 31, 2023 — two days after the Saturday lunch where she served beef Wellingtons to her in-laws.

 

[MsMarple]

now05.21 BST
The jurors have returned to the court room in Morwell.

 

[LinasK]

So despite knowing that she had three critically unwell family members, had supposedly fed leftovers to her children and had also eaten the meal herself, she doesn't think to raise the flag that she has foraged before.

Fascinating

The feed it to her kids lie is part of the "See it couldn't have been the BW's, I fed it to my kids and they weren't sick"

 

[drsleuth]

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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10:43

Patterson accused of lying about weight-loss surgery​

Patterson, who is today wearing a paisley top, was asked if she had a pre-surgery appointment for a gastric bypass at a clinic in Melbourne on September 13, 2023.
'I thought it was different suburb… [the date] sounds about right,' Patterson said.
Patterson said she later cancelled her appointment.
Dr Rogers asked if Patterson was aware the centre didn't provide gastric bypass or gastric sleeve surgeries.
'It was related to weight-loss surgery… I was also looking at liposuction,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was lying about the appointment.
'No it wasn't a lie, that's what my memory was,' Patterson said.

10:52

Patterson claims she can't remember ever using iNaturalist​

Patterson (Patterson's legal team pictured) agreed a visit was made on her computer to a death cap mushroom poisoning sighting post on plant identification website iNaturalist in May 28, 2022.
However, Patterson denied she remembers ever going on iNaturalist.
Dr Rogers noted the post about the death cap mushroom was that they were sighted in Moorabbin which is not in Gippsland.
'I suggest you had an interest in death caps generally which was not limited to growing in Gippsland,' Dr Rogers said.
'Incorrect,' Patterson responded.
'You say you remember asking if death caps grew in South Gippsland?' Dr Rogers asked.
Patterson agreed.


10:58

Patterson was interested in 'toxicity' of death caps​

Patterson told the jury she was interested in the 'toxicity' of death caps.
'My only interest ever was to see if they lived in South Gippsland or not,' Patterson said.
Patterson again said she couldn't remember using the iNaturalist site.
'Somebody did and that somebody could have been me,' she said.
Patterson was asked if she looked up the Korumburra pub website not long after the iNaturalist search was detected.
'It looks like somebody did yes,' Patterson.
'Three minutes after somebody did.'
Dr Rogers asked Patterson if she suggested her son may have looked up the pub page.
'I'm not suggesting anything,' Patterson said.


11:02

Patterson and prosecutor in heated exchange​

Dr Rogers (pictured left) was about to change topics when Patterson interrupted and told her she wanted to go back to a previous line of questioning.
An irate Dr Rogers didn't accept Patterson's proposal.
'Before you do [move on], Dr Rogers, within this record is that second visit to Bricker Reserve that I was talking about…,' Patterson said.
'I'm the person who asks the questions,' Dr Rogers fired back.
'If there's something that needs to be clarified in re-examination then your barrister will do so.'


11:13

Patterson denies she ate a beef Wellington without death caps​

Patterson has denied she served herself a beef Wellington which did not contain death cap mushrooms.
Dr Rogers told Patterson Ian Wilkinson's (pictured left) offer to plate food was 'firmly rejected' but withdrew the question after defence barrister Colin Mandy SC objected.
Patterson then agreed she plated the food and people sat where they liked.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson deliberately served death cap mushrooms to her guests.
'I disagree,' Patterson responded.
Patterson denied she served herself a beef Wellington on a smaller plate.
The accused killer also denied her beef Wellington did not contain death caps.
Patterson said she may have eaten from her daughter's kindergarten plate but couldn't be sure and that plate didn't match the description Mr Wilkinson gave in his evidence.



11:22

Patterson accused of lying to medical staff​

Dr Rogers suggested she ate all her beef Wellington but lied to Dr Rhonda Stuart and said she had only eaten half to try and explain why she wasn't as sick as her guests.
Patterson denied the suggestion and claimed she couldn't remember any conversation with Dr Stuart.
Patterson also denied she told child services officer Katrina Cripps she only ate part of her Wellington to mislead medical staff.
'My memory is I only ate about half,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers then took Patterson to Ms Cripps' evidence.
The court heard Ms Cripps recalled Patterson indicated 'didn't eat it all'.


11:29

Patterson didn't tell anyone she vomited after lunch​

Dr Rogers suggested to Patterson there were no leftovers from the lunch.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson in her evidence she said she only ate a 'quarter to a third' of her beef Wellington and 'sometime that afternoon' she 'caused herself to vomit'.
'I had no idea what was in the vomit,' Patterson said.
'At all?' Dr Rogers asked.
'Well, it's vomit, how can you tell what is in it, unless it's a piece of bean or corn?’ Patterson said.
Patterson agreed she didn't tell anyone between July 29 and August 1 she vomited.
Patterson said she couldn't remember what time she vomited but agreed it was in the 'afternoon sometime'.


11:33

Patterson accused of lying​

Dr Rogers suggested Patterson (pictured) lied about how much she ate and that she vomited after the lunch to give a reason as to why she wasn't as sick as the other guests.
Patterson claimed 'she didn't have a tape measure' about how much she ate.
Dr Rogers said 'it was all lies'.


11:43

Patterson can't recall telling her kids she was feeling sick after the lunch​

Dr Rogers reminded Patterson her son said there was no mention of her being sick on Saturday July 29, 2023.
Patterson was also asked if she told her son or his friend she was sick.
'I don't remember if I did or I didn't but it's more likely I didn't,' Patterson said.
'I definitely wouldn't tell [son's friend I was sick].'
Patterson said she didn't remember telling her daughter she was sick on the Saturday also.
Patterson said she heard her son give evidence she had diarrhoea on Sunday morning.
Patterson agreed she told her son she had diarrhoea on Sunday.


12:03

Prosecutor calls Patterson a 'liar'​

Patterson has denied she lied about needing to go to the toilet frequently on the Sunday morning after the lunch.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson was lying when she said her son said he was first to mention having a 'sore tummy' and not being able to go to church.
'He said that first,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers then called Patterson a liar.
The prosecutor said Patterson's son said he didn't notice his mum going to the toilet.
'No, I don't agree,' Patterson said.
Patterson told the jury she was going to the toilet 'suddenly and frequently'.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson her son said he wouldn't go to flying lessons if she was sick, but that Patterson was 'persistent to go'.
'Yeah I probably was, yes,' Patterson responded.


12:19

Patterson refutes estranged husband's evidence​

Patterson agreed she was 'keen' for her son to attend his scheduled flying lesson in Tyabb on Sunday afternoon.
'I was pretty keen to take him (to the flying lesson),' Patterson said.
Patterson said they allowed about 90 minutes to drive to the lesson.
However, before the scheduled lesson, Patterson also agreed she spoke to Simon (pictured) twice on the phone on Sunday.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson that Simon told her that her lunch guests were sick in hospital.
Patterson agreed she told Simon on Sunday she had diarrhoea.
Patterson disagreed she told Simon she had began getting sick on Saturday afternoon.
The jury previously heard Simon said Patterson told him she was feeling sick and had diarrhoea on Saturday evening and couldn't drive her son's friend home.
'It was loose bowel movements,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers asked Patterson if she agreed she had diarrhoea which started 'mid-afternoon Saturday and throughout the night'.
'I don't recall that...,' Patterson said.
'I did not tell him I was afraid to poo my pants, no.'


12:37

Questions over Patterson's toilet visits​

Dr Rogers suggested when Patterson was told the flying lesson was postponed to 4pm it was 'another opportunity to cancel the lesson'.
Patterson agreed but they pushed on with the lesson and left Leongatha about 2.30pm on Sunday.
Patterson agreed her son said she never needed to stop to use the toilet on the way to the lesson which Patterson said was a 70-minute drive.
Patterson denied saying it was 'unfair' she had to drive an hour before the lesson was cancelled at 3.48pm.
Patterson said she complained about the cancelled lesson.
'That is definitely true,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson of her son's evidence where he said his mum turned the car around and they stopped at a donut van in Koo Wee Rup on the way home.
The jury heard Patterson's children purchased the food while she stayed in the car and her son bought her a coffee.
Patterson was asked what she did with the coffee her son bought.
She said she drank a little bit and might've thrown it out when she got home.
Patterson's son also said his mum never stopped to use a toilet on the way back from the flying lesson.


12:39

Patterson denied doctor's claims he asked her where she bought the mushrooms​

Patterson said she presented at Leongatha Hospital with symptoms of gastro on July 31.
Patterson said Dr Chris Webster (pictured) greeted her at the emergency centre and recognised her as the chef of the meal.
The jury heard Dr Webster gave evidence he said he told Patterson her lunch guests were seriously ill with suspected death cap mushrooms and he asked where she bought the mushrooms.
Patterson denied the doctor asked about the mushrooms.
'Unless he did the second time, but I don't recall him asking me the first time [I presented at hospital],' Patterson said.
Patterson said the doctor told her they needed to give her treatment for suspected death cap mushroom poisoning.
'I told him my name… and he knew I was Erin Patterson… I remember him saying to me "did you make the beef Wellingtons or did you buy pre-made [Wellingtons]?",’ Patterson said.
'That stuck in my mind because I didn't realise you could buy pre-made… he asked me where I bought the ingredients and I said "Woolworths".'
Patterson also denied Dr Webster's evidence she never asked any questions about death cap mushrooms.


12:44

Patterson claims she asked doctor about death caps​

Dr Rogers asked Patterson if she asked Dr Webster any questions about the death caps.
'I definitely tried to ask questions, yes,' Patterson said.
'I asked questions and he didn't answer them… well he may not have heard me.
'I remember saying to him, at the very least, "why do you think we've eaten death cap mushrooms?".'
Dr Webster gave evidence Patterson never asked anything about death caps.
He previously told the jury the triage nurse came over and he walked off.
Patterson then discharged herself against medical advice.
Dr Rogers said Dr Webster attempted to call Patterson three times.
'I tried to (respond),' she said.
Patterson claimed she called the hospital twice but couldn't get through.
She also denied blanking his calls and voice messages
'I did try to respond twice,' she said.


12:49

Patterson denies nurse told her to come in for urgent treatment​

Patterson has refuted the evidence of a nurse who claimed she advised Patterson she required urgent treatment.
Dr Rogers said nurse Kylie Ashton claimed Patterson wouldn't come into the hospital for a formal assessment.
'I wasn't willing to come into a bay to be hooked up to an IV,' Patterson said.
Patterson said she felt anxious because she didn't know what was going on with the other lunch guests.
Patterson also denied Ms Ashton's evidence she advised Patterson to attend because she was known as the fifth member of the lunch.


12:54

Patterson 'can't recall' if she was told she needed treatment​

Patterson couldn't recall if she was told she needed treatment for the mushroom poisoning or that her liver needed to be preserved while at Leongatha Hospital.
Patterson recalled she needed to be transferred to the Monash Medical Centre (pictured).
The jury was reminded Nurse Ashton gave evidence that Patterson told her she was the chef.
'I don't remember saying that to her,' she said.
'It's possible.'
Nurse Ashton also gave evidence Patterson said her kids had eaten the leftovers from lunch.
However, Patterson denied that claim.


13:02

Patterson denies nurse said her 'life was at risk'​

Patterson has denied Nurse Ashton told her her life was at risk.
The jury heard Patterson left the hospital after telling staff she wasn't 'prepared to stay overnight'.
Patterson also claimed she told Nurse Ashton she needed to sort out her children and her animals.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson didn't mention that to the nurse.
'I'm sure I did,' Patterson said.
Dr Roger said Nurse Ashton 'strongly suggested' Patterson stay and get treatment.
'She definitely communicated she wanted me to stay,' Patterson said.
However, Patterson said she didn't recall being told anyone else was unwell.
Dr Rogers suggested the nurse told Patterson her lunch guests were unwell.
'It was communicated to me that I could not be told the condition of other people, that was confidential,' Patterson said.
'She didn't give me the details.'
Patterson then denied Nurse Ashton warned her that her life was at risk.
'She didn't say that to me,' she said.


13:14

Patterson accused of panicking at hospital​

Patterson has denied she panicked at the hospital because she didn't realise doctors 'would be on to death caps' so quickly.
The jury also heard Patterson denied telling hospital staff she would be back in 20 minutes.
'I think she's (Nurse Kylie Ashton, pictured left) confused,' Patterson said.
'We had no conversation about my children.'
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was stressed at hospital the first time because doctors suspected death cap poisonings.
Patterson said she was anxious at the idea she had eaten death cap mushrooms.
'You were worried that you were going to get caught,' Dr Rogers suggested.
'Incorrect,' Patterson replied.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson was in panic mode because she didn't realise the doctors would suspect death caps so soon.
Patterson denied the accusation.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson made no effort to get her kids after leaving hospital.
'I did eventually, that's why they went to hospital,' Patterson said.
The trial is now on a break and will resume at 2.15pm.

 

[MrJ]

bbm

Key Event
Just now
Erin says she wasn't told her life was at risk by hospital staff

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers has jumped back to the start of the Monday, when Erin Patterson first left Leongatha Hospital about 8:10am after staying for just 10 minutes or so.

"Medical staff even went outside with you to stress that you shouldn't leave," Dr Rogers says and Erin agrees that's what happened.

But Ms Patterson says she remembers the "emphasis" was more on her signing the discharge form before leaving.

The examination then turns to what staff told Ms Patterson about her life being in danger and the need to treat her immediately.

"I do remember it being communicated to me that the medication was, like, it was time-critical ... it needed to be done, you know, within a timely manner I suppose," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that you knew that your life was not threatened at this point. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I wouldn't say I knew. I didn't think it was," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that your behaviour at leaving Leongatha Hospital a few minutes after you'd presented there was because you knew that you had not consumed death cap mushrooms. Agree or disagree?" Dr Rogers asks.

"I didn't think any of us had, but that wasn't why I was leaving, no," Ms Patterson replies.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that she was rattled that doctors had "uncovered" the presence of death cap mushrooms in the meal so quickly.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Good summary- but I disagree that the drinking coffee helps her. To me it hurts her because there's no way that you are drinking coffee if you really have diarrhea. Only if she really WAS drinking Ginger Tea does it help her.

Its the Denial that helps her, not the drinking coffee.