Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[MsMarple]

To be fair, a person has to be pretty smart to be an air traffic controller. They also need to be quick thinking, and proactive with solutions to be an air traffic controller.

Erin is showing that she can think quickly, always firing back a quick answer at the prosecutor.

imo

And ironically, air traffic controllers also need a strong working memory.

 

[Brooklyn127]

I disagree with pretty much everyone here and think Erin seems to be handling things quite well, all things considered. I guess we'll see soon enough.

You may have said so before - this is a very long (sequence of) thread(s).
But can you explain, or summarize, your perspective?

 

[Detechtive]

Incorrect

We really need you live commenting on her testimony as it happens, If you could kindly realign your priorities to what is really important, and get up in the middle of the night in your timezone to participate, us thread dwellers would be most appreciative

 

[MrJ]

I respectfully disagree that Erin is coming across well. But, the important caveat: I don't know what's coming across in the courtroom. Still, though, just by words alone and limited description of physical actions, Erin seems arrogant, rude and dismissive. All qualities the jury would just looooooooovvvvveeeeee. Sarcasm, obviously.

 

[SouthAussie]

And ironically, air traffic controllers also need a strong working memory.

She has a strong memory. She is picking and choosing the things she admits to "remembering".

I guess what I am saying is that we can pick apart her testimony, but she is playing it how anyone who wants to get off 3 murder charges would play it. Throwing out as many seeds of reasonable doubt as possible, and hoping some will stick.

I truly think an innocent person would have admitted to foraging right off the bat, because they would not have been prosecuted for accidental deaths. But an innocent person also would have been subject to the toxins and sustained some liver damage.

imo

 

[Detechtive]

I disagree with pretty much everyone here and think Erin seems to be handling things quite well, all things considered. I guess we'll see soon enough.

I’ve read many forums, spoken to people in the media room at the court just last night and also people who are in court over the past few days, and you are literally the only person who has expressed that she’s doing well with her testimony. It’s just that bad.

In fact, allegedly, in person it’s worse. There are no tears, she is very nice to the man swearing her in each day, and then suddenly takes a hostile defensive and deadpan cold demeanour towards Dr Rogers. One person described it like a split personality.

Never have I seen people so unanimous over a case. Even the people who previously thought she may be guilty but that there was reasonable doubt during her defence and who were heavily predicting a hung jury have flipped.

IMO only.

 

[Lisa4]

I respectfully disagree that Erin is coming across well. But, the important caveat: I don't know what's coming across in the courtroom. Still, though, just by words alone and limited description of physical actions, Erin seems arrogant, rude and dismissive. All qualities the jury would just looooooooovvvvveeeeee. Sarcasm, obviously.

I noticed this word usage on abc yesterday. Most of the time their reporting has only used neutral wording so this stood out I thought.

""Are you making this up as you go along, Ms Patterson?" Dr Rogers asks during the exchange on this.

"No," Ms Patterson scoffs."

Prosecution quizzes Erin Patterson on days after deadly mushroom lunch — as it happened

Erin Patterson gave evidence for a sixth day as her triple murder trial resumed in Morwell. Follow the court proceedings as they happened

www.abc.net.au

 

[tmar]

As there now, are very few plates left, not 10, did she throw too many out?
Will she state, she washed between main and desert?
Or, used the same plates?

Why the fuss over plates?
To cause more 'controversy', so jurors, are not able to reasonably follow, as she is trying to act 'scatty': so must be innocent.
Can all be telling lies, except her!!!

BUT, her continually giving 'smart' answers, also shows, she is being so intelligent.
She wants to muddy the waters.
An actress on the stage.

 

[browneyes]

She has disputed everything. If she could, she would even dispute three of her guests are dead.

I can hear her now…
“You can’t handle the truth”…

 

[browneyes]

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Can someone help me with this? The defense objected to her answer on cross?

 

[MrJ]

Can someone help me with this? The defense objected to her answer on cross?

Yeah defence objected and reminded her of an answer she gave earlier. Embarrassing

 

[browneyes]

Yeah defence objected and reminded her of an answer she gave earlier. Embarrassing

Oh yikes! That must have stung. I’m sorry your honor, my client is lying.

 

[browneyes]

Her alleged "panic" at disposing of the dehydrator doesn't fit the air traffic controller mentality. I think she probably calmly drove the kids to school (or to their drop off point to catch a school bus) and calmly took the dehydrator to the e-waste rubbish site. She calmly reset her phone, multiple times. She tried hard to mimic a less-poisoned person.

In other words, she was proactive with her solutions to her problems. She simply miscalculated what all of her problems might be.

Very well said.

 

[Lisa4]

She sure did.
I imagine Erin is must be mentally exhausted after so many days on cross and I get the feeling that she's becoming increasingly desperate and frustrated.
Prosecutor Rogers isn't even close being finished with her yet. Is she leaving the best until last?

How I would love to be in that court room in the coming days!

IMO people like EP feed off drama and those around them learn to back down. It's not worth challenging her version of the facts. And people like EP take that posture as retreating. A win for them. Which they then confuse for being believed.

And IMO she's is accustomed to that, which is why she's on the stand. And she seems fueled by an audience that isn't slapping back, the jury. I think she thinks she is answering quite convincingly.

But wait until the jury gets to speak its truth.

So far it's been a one sided conversation.

But it's coming.

Agree. Given the intense pressure, an extremely dramatic scene in court seems increasingly likely to me.

@Spectrix @Megnut it's my guess we each have known someone like this and we are all holding our breath now. Because we know what inevitably happened if the person we knew was ever backed into a corner and it was... epic to say the least. Am I right?

 

[MsMarple]

She has a strong memory. She is picking and choosing the things she admits to "remembering".

I guess what I am saying is that we can pick apart her testimony, but she is playing it how anyone who wants to get off 3 murder charges would play it. Throwing out as many seeds of reasonable doubt as possible, and hoping some will stick.

I truly think an innocent person would have admitted to foraging right off the bat, because they would not have been prosecuted for accidental deaths. But an innocent person also would have been subject to the toxins and sustained some liver damage.

imo

I have zero doubt that the accused is utilizing selective memory. Will that strategy help her case or will she lose credibility to the point of no return?

I’ve seen cases blow up in both directions so I guess it’s not over till it’s over. But so far I don’t see her doing herself any favors.

 

[Detechtive]

@Spectrix @Megnut it's my guess we each have known someone like this and we are all holding our breath now. Because we know what inevitably happened if the person we knew was ever backed into a corner and it was... epic to say the least. Am I right?

I think you're spot on. There is no place for her to 'slither' at this point, she is backed into a corner. IMO

 

[Bats]

I’ve read many forums, spoken to people in the media room at the court and also people who are in court, and you are literally the only person who has expressed that she’s doing well with her testimony. It’s just that bad.

In fact, in person it’s worse. There are no tears, she is very nice to the man swearing her in each day, and then suddenly takes a hostile defensive and deadpan cold demeanour towards Dr Roger’s. One person described it like a split personality. IMO

Never have I seen people so unanimous over a case.

Yes, that's fine. I really don't care if she is found to be guilty or not guilty tbh. I think the system seems to be working very well in this case.

I am sure there are good examples where everyone thought the defendent was guilty but was found not guilty.

 

[SouthAussie]

I have zero doubt that the accused is utilizing selective memory. Will that strategy help her case or will she lose credibility to the point of no return?

I’ve seen cases blow up in both directions so I guess it’s not over till it’s over. But so far I don’t see her doing herself any favors.

Yeah, I didn't think Greg Lynn did himself any favours either. Burning and smashing the evidence to smithereens. But he walked for the (alleged) murder of Russell Hill.

imo

 

[ch_13]

Ok thank you @Bats. Appreciate your perspective, good explanation.

I was leaning that way too until I caught some snippets that possibly she is not keeping as calm with her answers as I had originally thought.

And it's impressions like that that I feel may stay with the jury... As you say, we shall see.

I think the sheer number of people whose memories differ from Erin's will be noted by the jury. Especially when many of them are medical professionals with no personal stake in this case.

And frankly, often her version of those events don't make a lot of sense. Like she admits when she signed herself out of the hospital they were vehement that she shouldn't leave, yet she says no one told her that her life was at risk. Why did she think they were so insistent that she should stay?

 

[browneyes]

I respectfully disagree that Erin is coming across well. But, the important caveat: I don't know what's coming across in the courtroom. Still, though, just by words alone and limited description of physical actions, Erin seems arrogant, rude and dismissive. All qualities the jury would just looooooooovvvvveeeeee. Sarcasm, obviously.

When your attorney has to object because you lied on cross, it’s not a good look. IMO