Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Sillybilly]

Oh, and of course, I will include a timely reminder that this case is under sub judice.

SB

 

[Detechtive]

Is this fact, or what EP is saying...? [sarcasm]

Damn, because I have a friend currently in remand in WA on an M charge, and outside books are a big NO for Casuarina.

I think it depends on the facility and the nature of the crime. Also behaviour. On remand, I believe they are a bit more lax generally, but, I do know that she is allowed books in there.

She is in isolation. That could change things.

 

[katydid23]

back with the semantics, unpleasant <> strong smell according to erin.

If they didn't have an unpleasant smell, why didn't she go ahead and use them as she had planned, in the Pasta Carbonara? I think, IIRC, she said they had a funny, pungent smell....that seems like the same thing as unpleasant to me.

Plus, it came out in earlier testimony, that the dried Asian funny smelling mushrooms were originally put in a kitchen cabinet in her old house. And they were eventually moved to her new house.

You have to really want something if you bother taking it with you in a move. I can't imagine packing up a Tupperware full of pungent funny smelling dried mushrooms to take to my new house.

 

[JennieM]

If they didn't have an unpleasant smell, why didn't she go ahead and use them as she had planned, in the Pasta Carbonara? I think, IIRC, she said they had a funny, pungent smell....that seems like the same thing as unpleasant to me.

Plus, it came out in earlier testimony, that the dried Asian funny smelling mushrooms were originally put in a kitchen cabinet in her old house. And they were eventually moved to her new house.

You have to really want something if you bother taking it with you in a move. I can't imagine packing up a Tupperware full of pungent funny smelling dried mushrooms to take to my new house.

Why would she risk spoiling her expensive steak with mushrooms that have a pungent smell, and ruining a dish like beef wellington that is so difficult to make?

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Why would she risk spoiling her expensive steak with mushrooms that have a pungent smell, and ruining a dish like beef wellington that is so difficult to make?

When cooking, who tastes something, determines it is bland, adds a funky ingredient, and then doesn't re-taste it for balance?

 

[JBowie]

Dr Rogers also suggested phone records show Patterson 'didn't traditionally travel to Loch and Outtrim'.
'I don't know,' Patterson replied.

What sort of an answer is that?

 

[JennieM]

Erin Patterson accepts the Enrich clinic 'never offered gastric bypass surgery'​

Australia mushroom trial live: Erin Patterson denies foraging death caps two hours before buying dehydrator

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder after a fatal beef wellington lunch in Leongatha in 2023. Follow live

www.theguardian.com

Her strategy is to lie and make up stories, to not remember, to not recall and then to accept when evidence is presented to her.

 

[katydid23]

11:08

Questions over what Patterson told doctors about mushrooms​

Patterson (pictured) agreed she told child services officer Dr Katrina Cripps she used dried mushrooms which were 'quite pungent'.
Dr Rogers then reminded Patterson of the evidence of fungi expert Dr Tom May who said dried death caps had an 'unpleasant' smell.
'I don't remember them being unpleasant,' Patterson said before admitting they had a 'strong smell'.
Dr Rogers asked Patterson if she mentioned using dried mushrooms to her lunch guests.
Patterson said there was no discussion about the ingredients of the meal.
Patterson denied she told Dr Chris Webster at Leongatha hospital about dried mushrooms or an Asian grocer.
Patterson said the doctor was mistaken.
Patterson agreed she told her brother-in-law on July 31 that she bought the fresh sliced mushrooms from Woolworths and dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer in Oakleigh.
'Yeah I did (tell him those things),' Patterson said.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

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Ok Erin, explain this please...Are you seriously saying Dr Webster never asked where you sourced the mushrooms?

He has 4 dying patients and he isn't urgently trying to find out the source of their illness?

 

[L_B]

If they didn't have an unpleasant smell, why didn't she go ahead and use them as she had planned, in the Pasta Carbonara? I think, IIRC, she said they had a funny, pungent smell....that seems like the same thing as unpleasant to me.

Plus, it came out in earlier testimony, that the dried Asian funny smelling mushrooms were originally put in a kitchen cabinet in her old house. And they were eventually moved to her new house.

You have to really want something if you bother taking it with you in a move. I can't imagine packing up a Tupperware full of pungent funny smelling dried mushrooms to take to my new house.

So she claimed that "unpleasant" doesn't mean strong smell, but this article says she said they did have a strong smell to a witness.

But I am pretty sure Erin has said Ms Cripps is a liar liar pants on fire so....

One juror dismissed, 14 remain in mushroom murder trial

A juror has been discharged from the Erin Patterson trial, after reports emerged that he had been discussing the case with family and friends.

www.abc.net.au

"She read that the ones she got from the Asian grocer would add a nice flavour to the beef Wellington," Ms Cripps testified.

Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson was unable to find any bank records detailing the Asian grocer purchase, and told her it might have been paid for with cash around April 2023.

Ms Patterson described the mushrooms from the Asian grocers as being in packaging that couldn't be re-sealed and that it had a white label, Ms Cripps said.

"She said she was going to use them in a carbonara but when she opened them they had a very strong smell. She put them in a Tupperware container," Ms Cripps said.

 

[JBowie]

The jury was then asked to leave the room.

Wow, that's happened 3 or 4 times today, without any context given. I wish the reporter would say what triggered the removals!

 

[JennieM]

3m ago
Rogers says Patterson told the jury she told her daughter about the lunch beforehand, but her daughter was excited about going to the movies with her brother and his friend.

Rogers says in pre-recorded video evidence, Patterson’s daughter recalled her mother saying she wanted to talk about “adult stuff” with the lunch guests and the children would go to the movies.

Patterson says this is not what she told her daughter. Patterson also rejects her son’s evidence that his mother said she only wanted adults at the lunch.

Rogers suggests Patterson’s evidence her daughter wanted to see a movie is a lie, and she didn’t want them near what she was planning to serve her lunch guests.

Patterson rejects this.

 

[JennieM]

now
The court has adjourned for the day.

Patterson’s cross-examination will continue tomorrow from 10.30am.

 

[JBowie]

Is she now admitting she lied to the doctor while he was trying to figure out how to save his dying patients?

I submit that she's so tied up in lies that she doesn't know what she's admitting to, or not.

 

[L_B]

Why would she risk spoiling her expensive steak with mushrooms that have a pungent smell, and ruining a dish like beef wellington that is so difficult to make?

remember it was bland, this would have taken the flavour up a notch!

 

[L_B]

Wow, that's happened 3 or 4 times today, without any context given. I wish the reporter would say what triggered the removals!

I think when there is an objection to a question/line of questioning, but then they can't report it I guess cos it's up for debate if the jury should hear or not?

 

[Detechtive]

When cooking, who tastes something, determines it is bland, adds a funky ingredient, and then doesn't re-taste it for balance?

Who claims to put ammonia / cat pee smelling mushrooms in a meal and claims they ate it and fed it to their kids.

 

[loreet]

Nobody can send her books in there...

Totally irrelevant to EP’s guilt or innocence but generally I think imprisoned individuals are allowed to receive books in prisons — both ordered on their own and also sent from their family and friends ‘outside.’

 

[JennieM]

remember it was bland, this would have taken the flavour up a notch!

Yes, but if the mushrooms were too pungent they could ruin her beef wellington, that’s a lot of wasted money and risking ruining a special meal she went in so much effort to make.

 

[JBowie]

I think when there is an objection to a question/line of questioning, but then they can't report it I guess cos it's up for debate if the jury should hear or not?

The jury is present when the event occurs, so no secret there. Of course they cannot hear what is then discussed, but IMO we should be told who did what to cause these interruptions.

 

[L_B]

Yes, but if the mushrooms were too pungent they could ruin her beef wellington, that’s a lot of wasted money and risking ruining a special meal she went in so much effort to make.

I don't think anyone would disagree, however I think a lot of us suspect the asian mushrooms didn't exist in the first place.