Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

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Right. And if you thought a patient's life was at risk, and her children's lives at possible risk, and she wanted to leave the hospital, wouldn't you make note of those conversations in her chart?

When she says the nurse and the doctor are mistaken and they didnt have that conversation about her children, I am thinking the doctors and nurses would have timed/dated notations about those specific conversations since that is such an important topic. I'm hoping the prosecution brings proof like that forward.

Don't the medical staff need to protect themselves too by making notes about those warning they made?
Yes, 100% to everything above. You must show that you exercised duty of care, that you have advised the patient of their rights, you have advised them of risk, and what you did to address that risk. You must document what education you have provided the patient, and document that the patient has decided to act against the hospital's instructions. You are always aware that notes can be subpoenaed at any time. Of course, quality of notes vary, but I think hospital staff would have very quickly caught on to the fact this is an exceptional and extraordinary situation and would have made sure to document meticulously.
 
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Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.
 
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Key Event
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Erin concedes Melbourne clinic did not offer gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor then turns to Ms Patterson's earlier evidence that she had an appointment in September 2023 at ENRICH Clinic in Melbourne about gastric-bypass surgery.

Ms Patterson had told the court she didn't disclose this to the lunch guests because she was embarrassed, but let them believe there was treatment she might require for cervical cancer in the future, so she knew they'd be there to help with the kids if she underwent a surgery.

Dr Rogers says yesterday, she put to Ms Patterson that the cosmetic clinic does not offer gastric-bypass procedures.

The prosecutor then notes Ms Patterson has been given a statement from ENRICH Clinic dated yesterday, which outlined some records relating to her.

Ms Patterson then says she accepts that the clinic doesn't offer and has never offered gastric-bypass surgery, pre-surgery appointments related to it, and only conducts procedures related to the skin and its appendages, such as hair and nails.

Well done, ENRICH Clinic. (and the prosecution team, if they sought out this statement from them)
 
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Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.
Come on Dr Rogers! Pursue her on WHY she gave that evidence to the jury!!
 
Her son and daughter are liars, according to Erin. Again!

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Erin questioned about her children's absence at the lunch

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecution then moves questioning to the reason why Ms Patterson's children were absent from the deadly beef Wellington lunch.

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson back through her past evidence, where she said she told her daughter about the lunch beforehand and offered for her to come, but her daughter was more excited about seeing a movie without adults present.

The prosecutor suggests that's actually not what she told her daughter.

She takes Ms Patterson to her daughter's account to police of the conversation where her mum told her the lunch was coming up.

"She said, I’m pretty sure she said that she wanted to have lunch with Don, Gail, Heather and Ian and she wanted to talk to them about adult stuff and we were going to go to the movies together," Ms Patterson's daughter told police.

"No, I didn't really put it like that to [my daughter] at all," Ms Patterson says.

Ms Patterson's son gave a similar account, where he recalled his mother telling him she wanted the lunch to be "just the five" adults. Ms Patterson also says that's not what she remembers.

"I suggest your story about [your daughter] wanting to see a movie is a lie ... and the truth is, I suggest, you wanted them out of the way because you did not want them anywhere near what you were going to serve your guests," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees with that.
 
Ms Patterson had told the court she didn't disclose this to the lunch guests because she was embarrassed, but let them believe there was treatment she might require for cervical cancer in the future, so she knew they'd be there to help with the kids if she underwent a surgery.
cervical cancer? wasnt it ovarian?

(I'm guessing an error on the article writer)
 
Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.
and boom, what I said yesterday about needing a referral.
 
11:33

Patterson questioned over Asian grocer mushroom packaging​

Patterson had a second conversation with Ms Atkinson on the phone.
Patterson claimed she can't remember the weight but said the packaging of the mushrooms was labelled with just a white sticker and was in a non-resealable snack-sized bag.
'It was all hand-written,' Patterson said of the label.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson described the packaging in such a way to show the mushrooms weren't commercially packed.
Dr Rogers asked if she told Ms Atkinson she bought the death caps from an Asian grocer.
'I don't think I told anyone I bought death cap mushrooms from an Asian grocer,' the accused said.


11:38

Patterson accused of being 'vague' about Asian grocer because it was a 'deliberate lie'​

Dr Rogers showed Patterson a map of the Monash Council LGA.
Patterson's son said he and his sister stayed in their mum's Mount Waverley apartment in March or April of 2023.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was 'very familiar' with Mount Waverley and its surrounding areas.
Patterson disagreed.
Dr Rogers suggested the accused was 'vague' about the suburb of where the Asian shop was and kept changing her story.
'That's because the Asian grocery store was a deliberate lie, correct or incorrect?' Dr Rogers asked.
'Incorrect,' Patterson replied.


11:42

Patterson accused of lying to health officials​

Dr Rogers has accused Patterson (her legal team is pictured) of sending health officials on a 'wild goose chase' because she knew she had deliberately poisoned her guests.
'I've been very, very helpful with the health department… I've given them as much information as possible,' Patterson told police during an August 5 interview.
'I suggest you weren't "very, very helpful" to the health department,' Dr Rogers said.
Patterson disagreed.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson instead sent the health department on a 'wild goose chase'.
'You lied about the source of the death cap mushrooms because you knew you had deliberately poisoned your lunch guests,' Dr Rogers said.


12:11

Patterson claims she couldn't recall serving her kids 'lunch leftovers'​

Patterson was reminded her son and daughter said they were told they had been served leftovers from the lunch.
'Because mum said it was leftovers,' the son told police.
Patterson agreed with his son that she had served him leftovers.
The daughter also told police 'mum told me' she was served leftovers.
'I only remember telling the kids on the Sunday that it was leftovers,' Patterson said.
'I don't remember telling them anything about it being lunch leftovers.'
Multiple witnesses have told the jury Patterson said she served her children leftovers from the lunch but she had scraped the mushrooms off the meat.


12:20

Prosecution alleges Patterson knew children's lives were not 'at risk'​

Dr Rogers has suggested Patterson (pictured) lied to various medical staff about her children eating leftovers.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was not concerned about her children's welfare because she knew they had not consumed death caps.
'Incorrect,' Patterson responded.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson knew her kids' lives were not 'at risk'.
The prosecutor previously asked Patterson if she asked a medical employee if it is 'really necessary [to bring the kids to hospital] because they don't have symptoms'.
'I probably did,' Patterson said.
'I didn't think they'd eaten a fatal poison because it was made clear to me the issue was mushrooms and they'd not eaten the mushrooms.'
Patterson told the jury she wanted to understand the 'concern and risks to her kids'.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson must have realised the children should come to hospital but 'she didn't take immediate steps'.


12:37

Patterson asked why she would serve her kids the leftovers​

Patterson has been quizzed on why she served her kids leftovers from a lunch despite being aware some guests were sick.
'It was the same lunch yes,' Patterson said.
'Even though you thought you had food poisoning from the same lunch?' Dr Rogers asked.
'I didn't think that,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers has suggested Patterson told various health officials, medical staff and police she served her kids the same meal eaten by her lunch guests.
Patterson said it was minus the mushrooms and pastry so 'it wasn't the same' meal.
Dr Rogers also asked if Patterson knew some lunch guests were sick then why would she serve leftovers to her kids.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson lied about serving her children the leftovers minus mushrooms and pastry.
The jury previously heard evidence Patterson told child services officer Katrina Cripps she cooked two Wellingtons which she put aside for her kids.
Patterson disagreed.


12:39

Prosecution accuses Patterson of lying about leftovers​

The prosecution has alleged Patterson lied about the leftovers to give her 'distance from a deliberate poisoning'.
Dr Rogers asked Patterson why she served the meal to her kids knowing Don and Gail were ill.
Patterson claimed she didn't know that.
Patterson said the kids were 'confused' about why Don and Gail (pictured) were sick.
In his evidence, Patterson's son said she told him on Sunday night his grandparents were unwell.
Patterson agreed she 'may have told him' that.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson lied about the leftovers.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson told several people she scraped mushrooms off and that's why they weren't sick.
'No,' Patterson said.


12:45

Patterson bought dehydrator same day she allegedly picked death caps​

Patterson was reminded that telecommunications expert Dr Matthew Sorell gave evidence her phone pinged near a basestation which meant a possible visit to Loch on April 28.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was in Loch on that date.
'I don't know [if I was in Loch that day],' she said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson went to a death cap sighting zone previously posted on iNaturalist.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson read the iNaturalist post put up on April 18.
'Disagree,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson drove specifically to Loch to find death caps on April 28.
'Disagree,' Patterson said.
'And I suggest you found some, then within two hours went and bought the dehydrator,' Dr Rogers said.
'I did buy that that day yes,' Patterson said, but denied she bought it to dry death caps.


12:55

Patterson 'can't remember' visiting death cap hotspot​

Patterson agreed it 'looks likely' she drove to Loch South on May 22 or 23, 2023.
But she denied visiting Loch South to forage for death caps.
Dr Sorell gave evidence a phone ping also possibly put Patterson in Outtrim on May 22.
The jury heard Dr May – under the handle Funkey Tom – posted a death cap sighting onto iNaturalist in May 2023.
Dr Rogers (pictured) suggested Patterson read Dr May's iNaturalist post and went to Outtrim looking for death caps.
Patterson disagreed and said she can't remember ever going to Outtrim in May 2023.
Dr Rogers also suggested phone records show Patterson 'didn't traditionally travel to Loch and Outtrim'.
'I don't know,' Patterson replied.


12:56

Patterson accused of hiding death caps in food​

Dr Rogers suggested Patterson didn't chop up the death caps but blitzed the lethal mushrooms into a powder.
'I disagree,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested she powdered the death caps to hide them in food.
'I disagree,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson she had previously ground non-lethal mushrooms into a powder and hid them in muffins which she fed to her daughter.
'I did do that once yes,' Patterson said.
The trial is on a break and will resume at 2.15pm.


14:31

Patterson quizzed on who she told about foraging for mushrooms​

Dr Rogers asked Patterson (pictured) about her 'new' claims about foraging for edible mushrooms.
'I suggest that we've heard a number of things that you've never said before to this jury about foraging for mushrooms, do you agree with that?' Dr Rogers asked.
Dr Rogers then rephrased the question to suggest there's no evidence Patterson told any other witnesses she foraged for mushrooms.
Dr Rogers listed police and multiple medical witnesses.
'You said to police "I've never foraged for mushrooms",' Dr Rogers said.
Patterson agreed she told police but denied she told medical staff she never foraged.
Patterson said she told medical staff she never put foraged mushrooms in the meal.
The jury was then asked to leave the room.


14:37

Patterson asked about data from seized PC​

Patterson agreed three large PCs were seized during the police search at her Leongatha home on August 5.
Dr Rogers asked Patterson about the Cooler Master PC seized from her son's room.
Patterson was shown a document titled 'evidence overview' which contained data located on the Cooler Master.
Dr Rogers said there was 2.6 million pieces of data located on PC.
Dr Rogers asked Patterson if any of the data records located on the computer were related to searches for edible and non-toxic mushrooms.
The jury was then asked to leave the room.


15:22

Patterson admits police found no books at her home about edible mushrooms​

Dr Rogers asked if Patterson (her lawyer is pictured) accepted there were no records found on the Cooler Master PC related to edible or non-toxic mushrooms.
'No,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers then asked Patterson about books found at her house and logged by police.
Patterson said she wasn't aware police located and logged more than 400 books.
The accused added she also didn't know if any of her books related to mushrooms or foraging.
Patterson said she may have some books about gardening.
Dr Rogers offered to show Patterson the log of books police found and examined but Patterson said the 'log' was incomplete.
'That would be right,' Patterson said when asked if police did not find a book related to mushrooms.


15:24

Prosecution: 'I suggest this is a story you made up'​

Patterson was reminded about evidence she gave where she went foraging for mushrooms with her children.
'I think they even found a couple [of mushrooms] for me at one point,' Patterson previously told the jury.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson of her son's evidence where he said he'd never been foraging or searching for mushrooms with his mum or dad.
The son said he remembered seeing mushrooms growing while on walks with his mum and sister in 2020 and 2021 but didn't remember picking any.
The son said his mum took a photo of a wild mushroom but he said 'he never knew' his mum to go foraging or picking wild mushrooms.
Patterson's daughter also said she'd never gone picking mushrooms and had never seen one while with her mum.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson's children never knew her mum to forage for wild mushrooms.
'I suggest this is a story you have made up for this jury, agree or disagree?' Dr Rogers said.
'Disagree,' Patterson replied.


15:29

Prosecution suggests Patterson learned about certain edible mushrooms after charges laid​

Patterson (pictured) has been accused of learning about edible mushrooms she claimed to be interested in only after she had been charged.
Dr Rogers reminded Patterson she said in her evidence she foraged for field, horse, honey and Slippery Jack mushrooms.
Dr Rogers suggested the four mushrooms were in a research document which the prosecution had included in the disclosure brief of evidence.
Dr Rogers also suggested Patterson learned about field, horse, honey and Slippery Jack mushrooms in the research document given to her by the prosecution.
The jury was then asked to leave the room.


15:40

Patterson grilled on dehydrating mushrooms​

Patterson has been asked about dehydrating various mushrooms including ones bought from Woolworths.
Dr Rogers suggested Woolworths' mushrooms are available all year and there is no need to dehydrate the mushroom for preservation.
Patterson said there's different reasons to dehydrate a mushroom.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson never dehydrated a Woolworths mushroom to eat.
'Disagree,' Patterson said.


15:43

Patterson denies she practised dehydrating edible mushrooms​

Dr Rogers suggested Patterson practised dehydrating button mushrooms and then dehydrated mushrooms depicted in another picture which Dr Tom May said he was 'confident' were death caps.
Patterson said it was 'incorrect' the mushrooms in the image were death caps and she had wanted to make sure she didn't lose any when dehydrating.


15:59

Patterson lied about weight loss pre-surgery, court hears​

Patterson was reminded she had previously told the jury she had 'come to the conclusion that she wanted to do something once and for all about her weight loss and eating habits'.
The jury heard Patterson claimed she had a scheduled pre-gastric bypass surgery appointment at the ENRICH Dermatology & Cosmetic Clinic in South Yarra.
Patterson confirmed she read the records of the clinic.
The clinic was in Armadale in 2023, the jury was told.
Patterson then admitted the clinic has never offered any gastric bypass medical procedures but only has ever offered appointments for examinations for skin and appendages such as hair and nails.
The jury also heard there was no records Patterson searched or obtained information or a referral for gastric bypass and other weight loss procedures.
Patterson agreed.


16:03

Patterson accused of keeping her kids away from lunch​

The prosecution has alleged Patterson didn't want her kids at the lunch because she wanted to keep them away from the toxic meal.
Patterson has denied telling her daughter she can't be at the lunch.
The jury was also reminded of Patterson's son's evidence.
Patterson's son said his mum didn't invite him or his sister to the lunch.
'No, mum said she just wanted it to be the five of them,' he said.
'She wanted to talk about personal stuff.'
Patterson said her son was incorrect.
'I don't remember saying I just wanted it to be the five of us,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson didn't want her kids anywhere near the lunch because she knew she'd be serving up a toxic meal.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.

 
A computer issue brings today's hearing to an end

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then turns to the topic of Ms Patterson describing eating two-thirds of an orange cake left behind after the lunch, and then vomiting.

When asked if she's telling the jury she vomited up the beef Wellington, Ms Patterson says she was asked this yesterday and her evidence remains that she "couldn't be sure what was in the vomit".

A computer issue is identified and the hearing comes to an end early for today.

If this evidence on disordered eating is raising any issues for you, you can reach out to the Butterfly Foundation.
 
Sorry to be argumentative, but actually, her friends are sending her colouring in meditation books in there.

I can't wait to!
Is this fact, or what EP is saying...? [sarcasm]

Damn, because I have a friend currently in remand in WA on an M charge, and outside books are a big NO for Casuarina.
 
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