Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.

 

[SouthAussie]

<modsnip: sub judice>

Key Event
1m ago
Erin concedes Melbourne clinic did not offer gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor then turns to Ms Patterson's earlier evidence that she had an appointment in September 2023 at ENRICH Clinic in Melbourne about gastric-bypass surgery.

Ms Patterson had told the court she didn't disclose this to the lunch guests because she was embarrassed, but let them believe there was treatment she might require for cervical cancer in the future, so she knew they'd be there to help with the kids if she underwent a surgery.

Dr Rogers says yesterday, she put to Ms Patterson that the cosmetic clinic does not offer gastric-bypass procedures.

The prosecutor then notes Ms Patterson has been given a statement from ENRICH Clinic dated yesterday, which outlined some records relating to her.

Ms Patterson then says she accepts that the clinic doesn't offer and has never offered gastric-bypass surgery, pre-surgery appointments related to it, and only conducts procedures related to the skin and its appendages, such as hair and nails.

Well done, ENRICH Clinic. (and the prosecution team, if they sought out this statement from them)

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Thank you. I would like to emphasise that I am a former friend

Haha. I was biting my tongue.

 

[drsleuth]

Thank you. I would like to emphasise that I am a former friend

Thanks for going thru the process to be verified as a former friend!

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank you. I would like to emphasise that I am a former friend

We are very lucky to have a VI on this thread. Thank you!

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.

Come on Dr Rogers! Pursue her on WHY she gave that evidence to the jury!!

 

[MrJ]

Her son and daughter are liars, according to Erin. Again!

Key Event
1m ago
Erin questioned about her children's absence at the lunch

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecution then moves questioning to the reason why Ms Patterson's children were absent from the deadly beef Wellington lunch.

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson back through her past evidence, where she said she told her daughter about the lunch beforehand and offered for her to come, but her daughter was more excited about seeing a movie without adults present.

The prosecutor suggests that's actually not what she told her daughter.

She takes Ms Patterson to her daughter's account to police of the conversation where her mum told her the lunch was coming up.

"She said, I’m pretty sure she said that she wanted to have lunch with Don, Gail, Heather and Ian and she wanted to talk to them about adult stuff and we were going to go to the movies together," Ms Patterson's daughter told police.

"No, I didn't really put it like that to [my daughter] at all," Ms Patterson says.

Ms Patterson's son gave a similar account, where he recalled his mother telling him she wanted the lunch to be "just the five" adults. Ms Patterson also says that's not what she remembers.

"I suggest your story about [your daughter] wanting to see a movie is a lie ... and the truth is, I suggest, you wanted them out of the way because you did not want them anywhere near what you were going to serve your guests," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees with that.

 

[L_B]

Ms Patterson had told the court she didn't disclose this to the lunch guests because she was embarrassed, but let them believe there was treatment she might require for cervical cancer in the future, so she knew they'd be there to help with the kids if she underwent a surgery.

cervical cancer? wasnt it ovarian?

(I'm guessing an error on the article writer)

 

[L_B]

Key Event
1m ago
No GP referral sought for gastric-bypass surgery

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then takes Ms Patterson to the medical records obtained by police for the trial, which had no mention of weight-loss surgery or treatments.

The prosecutor suggests Ms Patterson never sought or obtained a referral to a specialist who could perform a gastric bypass.

"Yes, I never got anything like that from a GP, no," Ms Patterson says.

and boom, what I said yesterday about needing a referral.

 

[L_B]

Well done, ENRICH Clinic. (and the prosecution team, if they sought out this statement from them)

someone yesterday said the prosecution would be off fact checking this ... good call out!

 

[L_B]

Thank you. I would like to emphasise that I am a former friend

Thanks for getting verified... now spill all the beans now please

 

[MrJ]

A computer issue brings today's hearing to an end

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then turns to the topic of Ms Patterson describing eating two-thirds of an orange cake left behind after the lunch, and then vomiting.

When asked if she's telling the jury she vomited up the beef Wellington, Ms Patterson says she was asked this yesterday and her evidence remains that she "couldn't be sure what was in the vomit".

A computer issue is identified and the hearing comes to an end early for today.

If this evidence on disordered eating is raising any issues for you, you can reach out to the Butterfly Foundation.

 

[L_B]

Sorry to be argumentative, but actually, her friends are sending her colouring in meditation books in there.

I can't wait to!

she still has friends?!

 

[JennieM]

@Detechtive thanks for getting verified!

 

[Sillybilly]

Oh, and of course, I will include a timely reminder that this case is under sub judice.

SB

 

[katydid23]

back with the semantics, unpleasant <> strong smell according to erin.

If they didn't have an unpleasant smell, why didn't she go ahead and use them as she had planned, in the Pasta Carbonara? I think, IIRC, she said they had a funny, pungent smell....that seems like the same thing as unpleasant to me.

Plus, it came out in earlier testimony, that the dried Asian funny smelling mushrooms were originally put in a kitchen cabinet in her old house. And they were eventually moved to her new house.

You have to really want something if you bother taking it with you in a move. I can't imagine packing up a Tupperware full of pungent funny smelling dried mushrooms to take to my new house.

 

[JennieM]

If they didn't have an unpleasant smell, why didn't she go ahead and use them as she had planned, in the Pasta Carbonara? I think, IIRC, she said they had a funny, pungent smell....that seems like the same thing as unpleasant to me.

Plus, it came out in earlier testimony, that the dried Asian funny smelling mushrooms were originally put in a kitchen cabinet in her old house. And they were eventually moved to her new house.

You have to really want something if you bother taking it with you in a move. I can't imagine packing up a Tupperware full of pungent funny smelling dried mushrooms to take to my new house.

Why would she risk spoiling her expensive steak with mushrooms that have a pungent smell, and ruining a dish like beef wellington that is so difficult to make?

 

[Shortfusepsb]

Why would she risk spoiling her expensive steak with mushrooms that have a pungent smell, and ruining a dish like beef wellington that is so difficult to make?

When cooking, who tastes something, determines it is bland, adds a funky ingredient, and then doesn't re-taste it for balance?

 

[JBowie]

Dr Rogers also suggested phone records show Patterson 'didn't traditionally travel to Loch and Outtrim'.
'I don't know,' Patterson replied.

What sort of an answer is that?

 

[JennieM]

Erin Patterson accepts the Enrich clinic 'never offered gastric bypass surgery'​

Australia mushroom trial live: Erin Patterson denies foraging death caps two hours before buying dehydrator

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder after a fatal beef wellington lunch in Leongatha in 2023. Follow live

www.theguardian.com

Her strategy is to lie and make up stories, to not remember, to not recall and then to accept when evidence is presented to her.