Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[drsleuth]

14:57

Patterson recalls doctor's dire warning to get kids to hospital was 'bizarre'​

Patterson said on her return to hospital, Dr Webster told her to get the kids from school and bring them in.
Patterson was initially reluctant.
Dr Webster said they can be 'scared and alive or dead'.
The jury heard Dr Webster 'made it clear they were at risk'.
Patterson recalled she thought Dr Webster's comment was 'bizarre'.
Patterson also claimed Dr Webster yelled at her.
'I've since learnt this was his inside voice,' Patterson said.

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[MrJ]

I would suggest even the concept of truth baffles EP.

Key Event
1m ago
Health worker's evidence 'baffles' Ms Patterson

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers says about this time, Erin Patterson was feeling "stressed" about people "figuring out" that she had included death cap mushrooms in the meal.

Ms Patterson says this is incorrect.

She's then asked about a conversation with another nurse during that morning, when they told the trial they'd expressed concern to her about her children's health if they'd eaten leftovers from the meal.

Ms Patterson says she doesn't recall the conversation at all and the evidence of the health worker "baffles me a little bit ... I think her times are out a little bit".

The nurse gave evidence that Ms Patterson became teary while discussing her children and the health risk and was telling the nurse she didn't want to involve them.

Ms Patterson says that doesn't make sense because her estranged husband would have been on the way to pick up the children by this point in time.

The nurse told the trial that a doctor then joined the conversation and reassured Ms Patterson that the treatment would help her and her children.

"I dispute the timing of that conversation," Ms Patterson says.

 

[L_B]

Dr Rogers said telecommunications expert Dr Matthew Sorell's analysis of phone records suggest within 20 minutes of leaving hospital, Patterson was in Leongatha about 8.55am and then her phone moved to Outtrim.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson lied about where she went and what she did after leaving hospital.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson spent her hour and 40 minutes out of hospital thinking about 'covering your tracks'.
Patterson denied this.
She also said she never left her house in time between her hospital visits.

oooh I wonder what are the extact timings on her phone pinging the various towers during this time frame.

 

[MsMarple]

3m ago05.59 BST

Erin Patterson denies she was thinking of ways to ‘cover her tracks’ between hospital visits​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC says Patterson used the more than 90 minutes she was away from the Leongatha hospital to work out what to do next week after she realised medical authorities were aware of the death cap mushroom poisoning.

She says tending to her animals and packing her daughter’s ballet bag did not take up the full period she was away from the hospital.

Erin says: “What are you saying I was doing?”

Rogers replies: “Thinking about ways to cover your tracks.”

Patterson says: “I’m sure I did some thinking during that time but it wasn’t about covering my tracks.”

The sharp exchange is one of several during day 29, which appears to have taken a more tense tone than days past.

Rogers shows the court a bowel chart for Patterson, previously tendered, which shows five documented bowel motions on 31 July 2023 while at Leongatha hospital.

The consistency for each says “liquid.”

Mairim Cespon, a registered nurse at the hospital, previously told the trial that after the first bowel movement Patterson told her “it does look like a wee but it’s a bowel motion.”

Patterson says she “didn’t want to think I was an idiot” so explained it was a stool.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin refutes more evidence given by hospital staff

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then recounts how a nurse, Cindy Munro, gave evidence that while she was cannulating Ms Patterson the accused said she didn't want any interventions.

Ms Patterson says she never said she didn't want the treatment, and "that's what I was in hospital for".

She then refutes more details of the nurse's evidence to the jury.

"I remember the conversation with Cindy Munro and I was very upset during that conversation, but she's taken a different angle on what happened than is my memory," Ms Patterson says.

 

[Gavel Rash]

Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality, is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, along with bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits. These traits are often masked by superficial charm and immunity to stress, which create an outward appearance of apparent normalcy.

 

[Yh5r]

How common is it, for a homeowner (not necessarily a short-term renter or student), to not have a set of matching dishes in Australia? (Seriously asking.)
In the U.S., I believe, we normally have at least six. Sometimes eight, ten, or even twelve. (Especially if recently married!)
Allowing for breakage, over time, of course.

I'm in Australia and I would say quite unlikely. Especially for a middle aged woman in her newly built 'forever' house. As others have said Erin didn't entertain frequently and yes plates do come in sets of 4 at times but most people that I know then buy 2 sets to account for breakages over time too.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin refutes more evidence given by hospital staff

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers then recounts how a nurse, Cindy Munro, gave evidence that while she was cannulating Ms Patterson the accused said she didn't want any interventions.

Ms Patterson says she never said she didn't want the treatment, and "that's what I was in hospital for".

She then refutes more details of the nurse's evidence to the jury.

"I remember the conversation with Cindy Munro and I was very upset during that conversation, but she's taken a different angle on what happened than is my memory," Ms Patterson says.

What memory? The accused can’t seem to remember anything. Sheesh!

 

[Old Soul]

I don’t think she had tylenol, and I don’t even think you can buy tylenol here. Do you mean paracetamol? I don’t think she had that, either. She had Imodium (which stops diahorrea) if you believe what Erin says, which I don’t. IMO

If anything, I think she had laxatives.

 

[MsMarple]

now15.07 AEST

Erin Patterson rejects nurse’s evidence about mushroom cook not wanting children involved​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC turns to question Patterson about Dr Chris Websterwarning her about the risk to her children who she said had eaten leftovers of the beef wellington.

The court has previously heard Patterson told medical staff she scraped the mushrooms and pastry off the leftovers she gave to her children.

Patterson says Webster was “yelling” but has since discovered that is his “inside voice.”

Patterson rejects the evidence given by CindyMunro, a nurse at Leongatha hospital, that Patterson said she didn’t want the children involved when she told her the children needed to undergo testing because they had eaten the leftovers of the meal.

Patterson agrees she told Munro she didn’t want to worry her children.

“I definitely would have said that,” Patterson says.

 

[L_B]

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Actually, Erin is giving Amy's baking company level delusion if you think about it

 

[Yh5r]

I'd say having at least one matching set would be the norm. I'm not great with plates (I'm pretty clumsy and they get chipped/broken a fair bit) so I stick with plain white from the same store. Been buying the same set and matching plain pieces for like, 15 years. I can't think of anyone I know that just has multiple individual plates; multiple sets, yes. While I certainly don't think mismatched plates = murderer, I do think living with that kind of chaos as a well-off middle aged homeowner (I wouldn't think twice about a uni student having mismatched plates) is indicative perhaps of a messy, careless way of thinking about things

And yet she complained about Simon's messy house, again her statements don't show consistency - either she is chaotic and doesn't care about mismatched plates and mess or she is organised and cares for matching plates and tidiness IMO. Mismatched plates for a special lunch provided by a wealthy middle aged woman are just odd.

 

[drsleuth]

What memory? The accused can’t seem to remember anything. Sheesh!

Memory = Lie IMO

That's what I take for her evidence.

 

[Gavel Rash]

I wonder if there is further cctv or road camera evidence of her car travelling on the day she left the hospital. Seems that they have the phone pings so I would imagine they would have followed up with any sightings that day.

 

[drsleuth]

3.06pm

Focus on a phone ping two days after fatal lunch​

By​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is asking Erin Patterson about the evidence given by Dr Matthew Sorell, an expert in mobile phone towers.

In his evidence, Sorell suggested that Patterson’s phone was initially connected to the Leongatha base station before connecting to the Outtrim base station tower about 1.45pm on July 31, 2023 – two days after the lunch.

Rogers: I suggest that you drove on the Bass Highway towards Outtrim.

Patterson: I did not and that’s not possible.

Rogers: I suggest that’s why phone records show your phone tracking south-west of Leongatha.

Patterson: Incorrect.

Rogers: Is it your evidence that you did not leave your house after you returned home after leaving the hospital.

Patterson: I did leave the house. I went back to the hospital.

Rogers: I suggest that when you returned to Leongtha to re-present at the hospital you did so to maintain the fiction of you similarly being unwell as your lunch guests.

Patterson: Incorrect.”

Later, Rogers questioned Patterson about evidence given by another nurse, Mairim Cespon, related to the same day, July 31, 2023.

Rogers: And that’s what you spend one hour and 40 minutes doing while you were away from hospital ... thinking about ways to cover your tracks.

Patterson: I’m sure I did some thinking during that time but it wasn’t covering my tracks.

Rogers: Nurse Cespon says you re-presented at 9.48am and told her [you were] nauseated. After speaking with nurse Cespon, Dr [Chris] Webster came to speak with you again. The nurse said the doctor said in your presence the children needed to be reviewed and you got upset?

Patterson: Yes.

Rogers: And that Dr Webster told you your children needed to be medically reviewed?

Patterson: Yes.

Rogers: Cespon said you went to the toilet three times.

Patterson: I went to the toilet more than three times.

Rogers: Did you say to Ms Cepson, ‘It’s a bowel motion that does look like a wee but is a bowel motion’?

Patterson: I think I said something like that, yes.”

As it happened: Prosecutor suggests accused mushroom cook wanted to appear unwell after beef Wellington lunch - Erin Patterson trial day 29

Accused killer Erin Patterson has spent another full day in witness box during her triple murder trial. She has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder.

www.theage.com.au

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
'Are you making this up as you go along,' defence asks

By Mikaela Ortolan

The cross-examination then moves to a conversation with Simon Patterson in which Erin Patterson told him she had wanted to pick up the kids from school.

She agrees that Simon asked if she was well enough to pick up the kids and that she then agreed that he could pick up the kids.

She's asked if she paused after Mr Patterson asked her if she was well enough to pick up the children.

"I have no idea," Ms Patterson says.

"I suggest that you paused because you realised that if you insisted on going to pick up the children, that that would undermine your being unwell," Dr Rogers says.

"Well I don't know if I paused or not so I can't really agree with what you're saying but the only thing I remember out of that interaction was ... I remember he said it in a really sarcastic tone that put me off a bit," she says.

"Are you making this up as you go along, Ms Patterson?" Dr Rogers asks during the exchange on this.

"No," Ms Patterson scoffs.

BBM, this made me guffaw

 

[drsleuth]

14:59

Patterson grilled over her high heart rate at hospital​

Dr Rogers (pictured left) suggested Patterson presenting at hospital with an elevated heart rate was due to 'stress and anxiety' because she knew the death caps had been identified.
'Incorrect,' Patterson said.
Patterson then again denied deliberately putting death caps in the lunch.


14:57

Patterson recalls doctor's dire warning to get kids to hospital was 'bizarre'​

Patterson said on her return to hospital, Dr Webster told her to get the kids from school and bring them in.
Patterson was initially reluctant.
Dr Webster said they can be 'scared and alive or dead'.
The jury heard Dr Webster 'made it clear they were at risk'.
Patterson recalled she thought Dr Webster's comment was 'bizarre'.
Patterson also claimed Dr Webster yelled at her.
'I've since learnt this was his inside voice,' Patterson said.

Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial LIVE updates

Follow Daily Mail Australia's live coverage of accused mushroom chef Erin Patterson's murder trial here.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LinasK]

Key Event
1m ago
Doctor's comments on risk to children 'bizarre' to Erin

By Joseph Dunstan

The prosecutor then moves to evidence given by doctor Chris Webster, who told the court he'd warned Erin her children's lives were at risk and they must come to hospital.

She agrees he told her that her children could be "scared and alive, or dead" when she expressed reluctance about bringing them into hospital.

"He made it clear that he thought they might be at risk," she says.

Dr Rogers says in the face of that, she was "reluctant" to tell the children.

Ms Patterson says the doctor's comment struck her as "bizarre" and he was "yelling" at her at the time. Although she adds she's since discovered that was the doctor's "inside voice" (Dr Webster previously commented in his evidence that he had a "loud voice" that could be easily heard).

Why in the heck would a 14 and 9 year old be afraid of visiting a hospital???

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
We're now taken to conversations during an ambulance trip

By Joseph Dunstan

The questioning has now moved to Erin Patterson's ambulance trip from Leongatha Hospital to Monash Medical Centre, when one of the medical staff described her as "calm" and "chatty".

Erin disputes she was calm, saying she felt "a lot of anxiety" on the trip, which occurred on the Monday.

She didn't need to use the toilet during the 90-minute journey, the court hears.

A doctor at Monash's toxicology department, Laura Muldoon, previously told the court that Ms Patterson had told her she'd had "explosive diarrhoea every 10 minutes".

"I certainly wouldn't have said I had it every 10 minutes for two days, but at its worst it may have been like that," Ms Patterson says when asked whether the evidence was accurate.

 

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Key Event
1m ago
Prosecution suggests Erin was thinking about ways to cover tracks

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers suggests that feeding the animals and packing her daughter's ballet bag did not take up the full period of one hour and 40 minutes that Erin was absent from hospital.

The prosecutor puts to Ms Patterson that she used this time to determine what to do next after realising her death cap mushroom poisoning plot was at risk of being uncovered by doctors. Erin rejects that suggestion.

"What are you saying I was doing?" Erin asks.

"Thinking about ways to cover your tracks," Dr Rogers says.

"Oh ok. You're saying I spent about an hour and a half thinking. Is that what you're suggesting? I'm sure I did some thinking in that time but it was not about covering my tracks," Erin says.

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