Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

I would suggest even the concept of truth baffles EP.

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Health worker's evidence 'baffles' Ms Patterson

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers says about this time, Erin Patterson was feeling "stressed" about people "figuring out" that she had included death cap mushrooms in the meal.

Ms Patterson says this is incorrect.

She's then asked about a conversation with another nurse during that morning, when they told the trial they'd expressed concern to her about her children's health if they'd eaten leftovers from the meal.

Ms Patterson says she doesn't recall the conversation at all and the evidence of the health worker "baffles me a little bit ... I think her times are out a little bit".

The nurse gave evidence that Ms Patterson became teary while discussing her children and the health risk and was telling the nurse she didn't want to involve them.

Ms Patterson says that doesn't make sense because her estranged husband would have been on the way to pick up the children by this point in time.

The nurse told the trial that a doctor then joined the conversation and reassured Ms Patterson that the treatment would help her and her children.

"I dispute the timing of that conversation," Ms Patterson says.

The thing is, nurses and doctors have detailed 'patient logs' where they make note of important conversations. If nurses or doctors were convinced that lives were at risk if the children were not brought in for treatment, they are going to write that in their medical logs---for their own protection as well.

So EP can dispute the 'timing' of these conversations but I do believe there might be some rebuttal testimony that nails this stuff down.

Certain questions of timing are crucial, imo. One of the strongest indicators of her guilt might be her lack of concern about her children's health and safety that afternoon.

Most parents would move Heaven and Earth to get antidotes to their children if the hospital said it was a Life and Death situation. She shrugged and said stop yelling at me, we're fine. I find that bizarre.

 

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[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I'm really struggling to see how Mr Mandy is going to be able to salvage all this in his closing.

I wonder if he has his head in his hands whilst this cross-examination of his client continues?

 

[Walk A Mile]

I've only known one Australian household that routinely used paper plates instead of owning a set of china. They were 20-somethings living out of home for the first time, and... shall we say... housekeeping-challenged.

I can think of many households where there were an array of mismatched plates rather than a cohesive set, but this would particularly be older people who kept the survivors from their original sets and augmented with new ones when their stock dwindled too low.

I would find it unremarkable if someone absorbed sets (mismatched or otherwise) from deceased relatives. If they were either cash-poor or thrifty (or stingy), they may make do with whatever oddments they ended up with.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

These appear to be quotes from DrSleuth's post above, take from the trial. BBM:

Patterson: There was the mushroom and pastry from one full one and the mushroom and pastry from a bit that I didn’t eat.

Rogers: And how much did you eat?

Patterson: I think we’ve been over that.

Rogers: I’m asking you again.

Patterson: Somewhere between a third, a quarter or a half. I don’t know.”
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Patterson: I didn’t make that sixth one for Simon.

Rogers: I suggest that you disposed of the leftovers in your rubbish bin sometime after when your guests left the house at 2.45pm on Saturday, July 29, 2023 and before you re-presented at Leongatha Hospital at 9.45am on July 31, 2023.

Patterson: Yes.

Rogers: I suggest you removed the steak from inside the leftovers before you put [the beef Wellington] in the bin.

Patterson: I did do that.

Rogers: The steak was put somewhere else. Where was it put?

Patterson: Into my children’s stomach.

Rogers: I suggest that you certainly did not feed that steak to your children.”
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Patterson: Why wouldn’t I just say there was no leftovers? That seems really convoluted.

Rogers: I suggest you assisted police in directing them to where the leftovers were because if you hadn’t told them where the leftovers were then it would be suspicious.

Patterson: I have no idea about that.”
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Sassy little Miss isn't she? If my life as I knew it was on the line, I doubt I'd be so cheeky to legal eagles and answer this way. Even after weeks and weeks of the trial and my patience wearing thin.

I also noted that she says "I didn't make that 6th one for Simon". Didn't she say herself she only made 6? 1 for each of the 6 intended lunch guests? Yet there seems to be a 2nd 6th one for Simon . And there were leftovers that had pastry and mushroom - allegedly - that she scraped off for the kids. If they had pastry, mushroom and beef, were they not also considered beef wellingtons? I'd love her to run through all variations on beef, pastry and mushroom items that she created that day, including what she considers leftovers. Make the numbers make sense Erin.

 

[Brooklyn127]

oh I think a 'crazy tea set' can be charming. There was a 'crazy tea set cafe' I went to a few times when I was younger. But I don't get the sense there was anything deliberate or collectable about Erin's plate situation.

Australians use paper plates for picnics, barbeques, sausage sizzles etc. Not at home unless desperate, like you've dirtied all your plates and have run out of dish liquid/tabs and can't go to the shops until tomorrow kind of situation. Definitely not a regular thing as Americans do.

Ouch! "Definitely not a regular thing as Americans do." But you are probably right!

 

[L_B]

Who is that?

Look up Marion Barter, missing woman from QLD Australia from 1997. Her daughter joined with media here to do a podcast about it, through people sleuthing they found a connection to a con-man Ric Blum (one of his like some crazy number of alisases), eventually an inquest was granted and he went on the stand. He had a "stutter" when it suited him on the stand. There's waaaayy more to the story though. The podcast is The Lady Vanishes, and her daughter Sally has just started her own podcast called The Missing Matter.

 

[Eloise]

Ouch! "Definitely not a regular thing as Americans do." But you are probably right!

sorry! i don't mean to offend at all! But I've seen quite a few social media videos of Americans using paper plates to serve regular meals and that's how I learned that Americans regularly use paper plates at home. Its just not a thing here, not like that

 

[L_B]

I also noted that she says "I didn't make that 6th one for Simon". Didn't she say herself she only made 6? 1 for each of the 6 intended lunch guests?

This is where her silly semantics are at play again. Maybe yes originally the BW was for Simon when she planned and purchased food for 6 people to eat. But in her mind cos he then rsvp NO, then that was technically no longer "Simon's" BW, just a spare. Just more of her sneaky way of wording or answering questions IMO, she seems to have a compulsion to lie and deny.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

The beauty of the system is, while she is on the stand pivoting and re-inventing her recollection, behind the scenes, the prosecution is researching the evidence (or lack of) for her claims. As she is the one that is raising these new timelines and sequences of events, the prosecution can add further found evidence to challenge any scenario that was unexplored prior to the defence raising it. EG, if she says, "There was a special ballet practice on the Monday night", the prosecution can research any available evidence that supports or refutes that, and bring it into evidence without challenge, as it was raised by the defence.
She's cooked.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Look up Marion Barter, missing woman from QLD Australia from 1997. Her daughter joined with media here to do a podcast about it, through people sleuthing they found a connection to a con-man Ric Blum (one of his like some crazy number of alisases), eventually an inquest was granted and he went on the stand. He had a "stutter" when it suited him on the stand. There's waaaayy more to the story though. The podcast is The Lady Vanishes, and her daughter Sally has just started her own podcast called The Missing Matter.

IMHO EP would have been the perfect lady for RB. Wealthy, separated with more than one property. Just don’t eat the Beef Wellington.

 

[Brooklyn127]

sorry! i don't mean to offend at all! But I've seen quite a few social media videos of Americans using paper plates to serve regular meals and that's how I learned that Americans regularly use paper plates at home. Its just not a thing here, not like that

No, no offense taken. I did say you were probably right!
I personally use them for prep, not serving. As they tend to bend, without warning!
We have some heavier-duty ones here that stand up to serving. Very useful at gatherings where people do not want to wash a lot of dishes.
But, in my experience, most people serve dinner on real plates. (And breakfast, and even lunch - unless it's just a sandwich.)

 

[JBowie]

I'm really struggling to see how Mr Mandy is going to be able to salvage all this in his closing.

IMO, Mandy went into this with his eyes wide open knowing full well that she is full of manure.

A consultant once told me that when he takes on hopeless case clients he frequently looks at pictures of his bank to remind him of the reason he does it.

 

[Brooklyn127]

My point remains that I find it odd that a homeowner with two children had only six plates, mismatched or not.

 

[JBowie]

wow the snark is off the charts today.

She sure is and as I said above, I believe that Dr Rogers is getting under her skin so that the jury can see the real EP.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Simon undoubtedly saved his own life by not attending that meal.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

My point remains that I find it odd that a homeowner with two children had only six plates, mismatched or not.

This was supposed to be a special meal too!

 

[JBowie]

My point remains that I find it odd that a homeowner with two children had only six plates, mismatched or not.

Yep, and a timely search of the garbage, or a dig around the property, may have unearthed the plates she actually used, as witnessed by Ian.

 

[katydid23]

15:13

Prosecutor: 'Are you making this up as you go along Ms Patterson?'​

Dr Rogers asked if Patterson paused during a call between her and Simon about picking up the kids because if she picked up the children it 'would undermine you being unwell'.
Patterson denied this and claimed she paused because she thought Simon had made a sarcastic comment.
'"I'm glad you're well enough to drive to Phillip Island", he did it in a really sarcastic tone,' she said
'I remember the sarcasm, it was off-putting.'
'Are you making this up as you go along Ms Patterson?' Dr Rogers asked.
'No,' Patterson replied.


15:14

Patterson denies she was 'calm and chatty' in ambulance ride​

Patterson spoke about her 90-minute ambulance ride from Leongatha to the Monash Medical Centre.
She recalled she was given fentanyl for a headache.
Dr Rogers suggested Patterson was 'calm and chatty' during the ambulance ride.
'I was talking quite a lot to (a paramedic),' Patterson said.
'I wouldn't say I was calm, I remember feeling a lot of anxiety.'

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"Patterson denied this and claimed she paused because she thought Simon had made a sarcastic comment.
'"I'm glad you're well enough to drive to Phillip Island", he did it in a really sarcastic tone,' she said 'I remember the sarcasm, it was off-putting.'



Awww, Here we go. ^^^^^.....there is a little leakage, a little slip on her part, revealing her anger towards Simon. She described his comments to her as being in a 'really sarcastic tone' and it was 'off putting.'

And she was discussing the urgent situation of them picking up their children to come quickly for possible life/death medical treatment ....and she was focused upon Simon's off putting sarcastic tone?

That was just a tiny peek into her resentment/anger, IMO.

 

[JBowie]

he did it in a really sarcastic tone,' she said 'I remember the sarcasm, it was off-putting.

A return of serve, methinks. She's probably quite unaccustomed to others' responding to her sarcasm in kind.