Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[jesse]

I am wondering though why the implication is that the full beef Wellington cut in half had the steak removed

Rogers and Patterson both seem to agree on that.

 

[Lisa4]

Yes, that's fine. I really don't care if she is found to be guilty or not guilty tbh. I think the system seems to be working very well in this case.

I am sure there are good examples where everyone thought the defendent is guilty but is found not guilty.

And as frustrating as that can be to the general public, I'm grateful to live in a country with a system where I believe we run little risk of a truly innocent person going to jail for life. Sorry not very well put.

 

[jesse]

oh I think a 'crazy tea set' can be charming. There was a 'crazy tea set cafe' I went to a few times when I was younger. But I don't get the sense there was anything deliberate or collectable about Erin's plate situation.

Australians use paper plates for picnics, barbeques, sausage sizzles etc. Not at home unless desperate, like you've dirtied all your plates and have run out of dish liquid/tabs and can't go to the shops until tomorrow kind of situation. Definitely not a regular thing as Americans do.

? Paper plates are not a regular thing for most Americans. We use them the same way you do. I can't remember the last time I bought paper plates or had them in my home.

 

[SouthAussie]

Rogers and Patterson both seem to agree on that.

Yes, they do. I have been looking to see what the toxin-positive leftovers consisted of. The toxicologist tested 7 test tubes. 2 of them tested positive.

I am thinking that maybe there was some kind of meat scraps in the leftovers - even miniscule ones. imo



A forensic toxicologist who examined the mushroom paste and meat taken from the leftovers found at Erin Patterson’s home after the fatal beef Wellington lunch said the samples tested positive for death cap mushroom toxins.

The leftovers were found in a bin at Patterson’s house. They were then separated onto four trays and sampled.

Mushroom paste and beef samples tested positive for death cap mushroom toxins, he said.

He said they tested the samples against DNA from Amanita phalloides (the scientific name for death cap mushrooms), ghost mushrooms and yellow staining mushrooms.

“We were able to detect Amanita phalloides in two of the seven test tubes,” he said.

Death cap mushroom toxins found in lunch leftovers, Erin Patterson murder trial hears

A forensic toxicologist who examined the mushroom paste and beef taken from the leftovers said the samples tested positive for the toxins.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Bats]

And as frustrating as that can be to the general public, I'm grateful to live in a country with a system where I believe we run little risk of a truly innocent person going to jail for life. Sorry not very well put.

Nicely put @Lisa4 !
We have a very fair justice system here in Australia and it's definitely something to be grateful of.

 

[jesse]

No, I think she’s just saying that the meat that had had the mushrooms on it would have had the toxins seep into it. So there is no way she solid have fed it to her children

The one thing I can't figure out is WHY she removed the beef from the 6th beef wellington that was found in the garbage. O don't believe she fed it to her kids - we know the mushroom mixture were found to have death caps in them. So why did she remove it before throwing it out? For what purpose?

These appear to be quotes from DrSleuth's post

I also noted that she says "I didn't make that 6th one for Simon". Didn't she say herself she only made 6? 1 for each of the 6 intended lunch guests? Yet there seems to be a 2nd 6th one for Simon . And there were leftovers that had pastry and mushroom - allegedly - that she scraped off for the kids. If they had pastry, mushroom and beef, were they not also considered beef wellingtons? I'd love her to run through all variations on beef, pastry and mushroom items that she created that day, including what she considers leftovers. Make the numbers make sense Erin.

I think there were 10 filets in all - 5 packages of 2. She seems to have made 6 beef wellingtons - one for each of her four guests, one for herself, and an "extra", which she would have given Simon had he showed. Remember, she said in her last text that she still hoped to see him at the lunch. So that's 6.

I think she fed the kids from the other four filets.. Interesting that she chopped them up before serving. They wouldn't know if what they were eating was from 1 or 4 filets.

 

[Jess D]

This one small detail reveals how preposterous self-serving EP is. She'll shed a dry tear when the children's story aligns with hers -- can't you just feeeeeel the love -- but to save her hide, she'll deny their truth.

Love? Does she  love her children? I'm not sure she has the capacity. Love their blind loyalty? Maybe. Love how easy they can be to manipulate? Maybe. Love when you can get them to pledge allegiance to you and not to him? Maybe. Probably. Look what happened to  EP's loyalty when her in-laws turned on her. And oh the tragic irony. They didn't turn on her. They stayed turned toward their son. And even in that, they were measured. Kept a distance, not wanting to get involved in martial issues, rightly and smartly so.

IMO people are either useful to EP or they're not. Categories without guarantee.

JMO

If the unthinkable happens and she does get off, her children should not live with her. She's dangerous IMO.

 

[MrJ]

Live: Erin Patterson faces questioning over deadly beef Wellington recipe

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson returns to the witness box for a seventh day of evidence. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

Someone else will have to cover as I'll be busy at the start of proceedings

 

[Detechtive]

The one thing I can't figure out is WHY she removed the beef from the 6th beef wellington that was found in the garbage. O don't believe she fed it to her kids - we know the mushroom mixture were found to have death caps in them. So why did she remove it before throwing it out? For what purpose?



I think there were 10 filets in all - 5 packages of 2. She seems to have made 6 beef wellingtons - one for each of her four guests, one for herself, and an "extra", which she would have given Simon had he showed. Remember, she said in her last text that she still hoped to see him at the lunch. So that's 6.

I think she fed the kids from the other four fillers. Interesting that she chopped them up before serving. They wouldn't know if what they were eating was from 1 or 4 filets.

I found the "chopping into cubes" testimony of her son, odd. I have pondered whether she was infantilising a teen by chopping up a steak, but you raise a good point that she may have done that to obscure whether it was leftovers or not.

Also, who reheats steak? I can't imagine it would be juicy the next day. Am I wrong?!

I don't believe she reheated anything. I believe she cooked two fresh steaks for her kids from the 10 she purchased, like you said. IMO

 

[Jess D]

Plus didn't she have 2 or 3 scales to weigh things, or some such?

She couldn't remember how many sets of scales she had. Surprise, surprise...

 

[brisbanemum]

The one thing I can't figure out is WHY she removed the beef from the 6th beef wellington that was found in the garbage. O don't believe she fed it to her kids - we know the mushroom mixture were found to have death caps in them. So why did she remove it before throwing it out? For what purpose?



I think there were 10 filets in all - 5 packages of 2. She seems to have made 6 beef wellingtons - one for each of her four guests, one for herself, and an "extra", which she would have given Simon had he showed. Remember, she said in her last text that she still hoped to see him at the lunch. So that's 6.

I think she fed the kids from the other four fillers. Interesting that she chopped them up before serving. They wouldn't know if what they were eating was from 1 or 4 filets.

I think she simply needed it to appear like she’d scraped the mushrooms and pastry from the “leftovers” she allegedly fed to the kids? When she actually just fed them another seperate piece of eye fillet she’d cooked in the pan? Or am I miscalculating eye fillet pieces here? all MOO

 

[Jess D]

Knowing how sarky EP is with some of the answers I’m surprised she didn’t say a loose stool has a leg missing.

"I didn't have a tape measure".

 

[Jess D]

I disagree with pretty much everyone here and think Erin seems to be handling things quite well, all things considered. I guess we'll see soon enough.

In what way, by pretending that she doesn't remember anything and saying that everyone else is wrong?

 

[jesse]

Absolutely. Fork in right hand, knife in left. And swapping the knife as is practicable.
You would have gotten into trouble? So funny!
I must say that I have gotten a huge kick out of being able to discuss tableware practices with Australians on Websleuths.

nope they're just serving up regular dinner! And its been multiple different people too!

There's always the chance with social media that there's weird things happening just to farm engagement. But there are these links that talk about the phenomenon as well.

I hate it when people use paper plates, it's lazy and American

The anonymous woman took to UK parenting forum Mumsnet , to say washing plates is 'not that hard, nor time consuming'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why Americans Use Disposable Paper Plates Every Day?

In the bustling and fast-paced lifestyle of modern America, it's not uncommon to notice a prevalent choice when it comes to dining: disposable paper plates. What was once reserved for outdoor picnics and special occasions has now become a daily habit for many households across the nation. In...

ponypackaging.com

could be generational or regional, perhaps?

Ok, but that second source - that talks about Americans using paper plates- is clearly from some company pushing biodegradable paper plates. It's not a news article, it's a blog post trying to market something.

 

[MrJ]

2m ago
A few things Erin Patterson disputed yesterday

By Mikaela Ortolan

Erin Patterson was quizzed on the events surrounding the deadly lunch during yesterday's proceedings.

Here are a few things she disputed in the evidence given by other witnesses.

1.Sole surviving lunch guest, Ian Wilkinson, had previously given evidence that Erin Patterson served herself on a different-coloured plate to the other guests. The prosecution put to Ms Patterson that she did this as a precaution to avoid eating the poisonous meals. She denied the accusation.
2.Mr Patterson disputed elements of her son's police interview which was previously played to the jury. She denied drinking coffee the morning after the lunch and said her recollection of events were different to what her son told police.
3.A doctor at Leongatha Hospital, Chris Webster, gave evidence that he warned Ms Patterson her children's lives were at risk and had left a number of voicemails on her phone which he said were not returned. She rejected the suggestion she deliberately chose not to answer Dr Webster's calls and said she "did try to respond, twice".
4.Ms Patterson also disputed evidence given by child protection worker Katrina Cripps who said Ms Patterson had stayed in the car after dropping her son's friend home after the lunch because she believed sitting could "act as a cork and prevent an accident" in relation to her diarrhoea. She said it was possible she said that but she believed it was in relation to a trip to Tyabb the following day.

 

[Jess D]

Yes, some indeed, I'm sure that would be normal. Is it usual though, for such a high proportion of professional evidence to be refuted?

Especially when the evidence that she's refuting has been documented.

 

[Jess D]

She sure did.
I imagine Erin is must be mentally exhausted after so many days on cross and I get the feeling that she's becoming increasingly desperate and frustrated.
Prosecutor Rogers isn't even close being finished with her yet. Is she leaving the best until last?

How I would love to be in that court room in the coming days!

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If the court room was closer to me, I would definitely be attending right now.

 

[Detechtive]

Ok, but that second source - that talks about Americans using paper plates- is clearly from some company pushing biodegradable paper plates. It's not a news article, it's a blog post trying to market something.

If you watch Extreme Cheapskates on Youtube, you will get a chuckle and also see a plethora of paper plates, they don't even buy them most of the time, they take cutlery etc from restaurants. I'm not suggesting these people are a great cross section of American society!

 

[Bats]

In what way, by pretending that she doesn't remember anything and saying that everyone else is wrong?

Is she saying that everyone is wrong? Or is she saying she disagrees with what is being put to her by Dr Rogers?
Two different things.

 

[Montrealaise]

Yes, that's fine. I really don't care if she is found to be guilty or not guilty tbh. I think the system seems to be working very well in this case.

I am sure there are good examples where everyone thought the defendent was guilty but was found not guilty.

Two come to mind - Casey Anthony and Lizzie Borden were both acquitted of murder but to this day, most people believe that they actually committed the crimes they were charged with.