Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

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[LinasK]

1m ago

Summary​

Here’s a recap of what the jury heard today:

1. Under cross-examination, Patterson denied leading Department of Health authorities on a wild goose chase to find the Asian grocer she reported buying dried mushrooms from.

2. Patterson agrees the Enrich Clinic, where she says she was booked in for a pre-surgery appointment for gastric bypass, has never not offered this procedure.

3. Patterson denied she foraged for death cap mushrooms two hours before buying a Sunbeam food dehydrator on 28 April 2023.

4. Patterson said beef wellington was the “perfect dish” for the dried mushrooms she says she purchased from an Asian grocer months before the lunch.

5. Patterson denied she made up a history of foraging edible mushrooms from 2020.

In other words, she thought that by using a dish with visible, non-toxic mushrooms, no one would ever suspect Death Caps in it, when in reality she'd have gotten away with it if she'd chosen to put them in muffins or brownies instead. By putting mushrooms of any kind in her "special" dish, it alerted authorities to the possibility that it WAS toxic mushrooms in the dish, rather than the meat.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

I don’t blame the Prosecution playing the long game and allowing her persona to be exposed to all in that Courtroom as each day passes. I still think Simon is her emotional Achilles heel and a sure way to get under her skin a little bit more.

To be fair, a person has to be pretty smart to be an air traffic controller. They also need to be quick thinking, and proactive with solutions to be an air traffic controller.

Erin is showing that she can think quickly, always firing back a quick answer at the prosecutor.

imo

Did we find out why she left that job? Was she disputing some aircraft actually did want to land or take off?

 

[katydid23]

3m ago12.34 AEST
Erin Patterson says she ‘didn’t know or suspect’ beef wellington had made Don and Gail Patterson sick when she gave leftovers to children

Rogers says Atkinson gave evidence that Patterson said her children consumed leftovers on Sunday night for dinner.

Atkinson recalled Patterson saying she had removed the pastry and mushrooms, Rogers says.

Patterson agrees.

Rogers says Patterson told child protection worker Katrina Cripps her children only ate the meat from the beef wellington because they did not like mushrooms.

Patterson agrees she said this.

Rogers says Patterson told over a dozen people including her kids, child protection workers and medical staff that she had fed her kids the same meal.

Patterson says she was “pretty clear it was the meal minus the mushrooms and pastry,”

Rogers says on Sunday 30 July 2023, Patterson found out Don and Gail were unwell. Patterson agrees.

“So why did you proceed to feed the same meal to your children when you knew or suspected the meal you had served had made them ill?” Rogers says.

“I didn’t know or suspect that,” Patterson says.

I WISH they would talk about what would happen to meat that was cooked in the oven with toxic death cap mushrooms paste on top of it.

THAT MEAT WOULD BE TOXIC TOO. Those poisons would have infiltrated the beef for sure.

That is such an important part of this puzzle. She could not have scraped mushrooms off and expected it would not be poisonous as well. Her kids would be severely ill at the very least iff they had eaten that meat, unless it was from her personal BW.

 

[JBowie]

Her credebility has deminished by the hour. Not sure she has any left TBH.

Will be interesting to see how long the jury deliberate for, when the time comes. Thinking not even long enough to warm their seats.

Jury is to be sequestered for deliberations, so I wonder if they'll be wanting a long hotel stay.

 

[JBowie]

I WISH they would talk about what would happen to meat that was cooked in the oven with toxic death cap mushrooms paste on top of it.

THAT MEAT WOULD BE TOXIC TOO. Those poisons would have infiltrated the beef for sure.

That is such an important part of this puzzle. She could not have scrapped mushrooms off and expected it would not be poisonous as well.

I agree. Seems a too obvious point to me.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure if it's a strategy to jump between topics to overwhelm the accused, but I dislike it. I wish they followed one theme to conclusion of a 'gotcha' before moving on. It's confusing, IMO.

I think it's a strategy to catch her off base, keep her uncertain. I think they kind of need to do that to shake her up a bit. EP wants to control the narrative and seem calm and in charge of things.

So when the prosecutor jumps around it is probably unsettling for EP. She can't relax because she is not sure what's coming next.

 

[Oz Jen]

EP seems to be obsessed with mushrooms. I'm no Masterchef but traditional carbonara does not include mushrooms. And if, as EP claims, she may, perhaps, have paid cash for some random dried mushrooms in cellophane bags with handwritten tags from some Asian market somewhere, her cash withdrawals over the prior few months before the purchase would be easily seen in her online bank account.

 

[Lisa4]

"Disinterested" Witnesses the accused has tried to dispute

• Dr Morgan
• Kylie Ashton, RN
• Dr Chris Webster
• Dr Tom May (mycologist)
• Health Dept Mgr Sally Atkinson
• CP officer Katrina Cripps
• A number of police personnel
• A paramedic
• ? who else

These witnesses have no stake in the outcome.

 

[JBowie]

Did we find out why she left that job? Was she disputing some aircraft actually did want to land or take off?

As to why she left the job, I don't know, but the way she reportedly spoke to her department head would not be conducive to a long career, methinks:

A former colleague of Erin Patterson has revealed details of her past life, describing her as “eccentric” and “abrasive” during her time as an air traffic controller in the early 2000s.

[...]

Her former colleague recalled an incident where she yelled at the head of the air traffic control department for tripping on her headset cord.

“I remember in the first week that she started in the job somebody walked behind her and tripped on a cord that was on the floor that was attached to her headset. She turned around and yelled ‘you right you buffoon?!’ It was the head of the air traffic control department. She didn’t hold back.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/former-colleague-of-erin-patterson-says-she-was-abrasive-and-eccentric-while-working-as-air-traffic-controller/news-story/c46976b1c97487d18bbe32f521f54f25

 

[katydid23]

It sounds as if Ian is at the court every day. Again The Australian is reporting that Ian has been watching in court as Erin gives her evidence.

Perhaps bearing witness for the deaths of his wife, brother-in-law, and sister-in-law.

imo

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/mushroom-trial-accused-erin-patterson-denies-panic-after-doctors-suspected-death-caps-in-illnesses/live-coverage/62513e044c43f3492a4a58bd11614f4d?amp

I wonder if they might recall him in a rebuttal phase?

 

[Lisa4]

Me. I cook spaghetti then add parmesan cheese without tasting it. I just know how much to throw on top.

I think you just made the point @Bats

You're referring to a recipe you've made often.

What about a recipe you're trying for the first time, don't you taste it , decide it needs tweaking... Add something... taste again to see if that did the trick?

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

And it clearly shows the jury that Erin's memory is just fine. Which might have been the intention of the slip.

imo

Yes. Shows she can pinpoint a day from nearly 2 years ago but can’t remember the Asian Grocery Store. I might have pointed that out to her there and then.

 

[Oz Jen]

Obv


I think you just made the point @Bats

You're referring to a recipe you've made often.

What about a recipe you're trying for the first time, don't you taste it , decide it needs tweaking... Add something... taste again to see if that did the trick?

Spag bol at home for the 2 of us? Yep, I'd just throw in whatever. But if I was making a special dinner for people I wanted to impress, I'd definitely taste check, especially if I'd never made the dish before.

 

[Lisa4]

Obv


I think you just made the point @Bats

You're referring to a recipe you've made often.

What about a recipe you're trying for the first time, don't you taste it , decide it needs tweaking... Add something... taste again to see if that did the trick?

adding to my own post

* especially when it's an unfamiliar/untried ingredient
* especially when it's for guests

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Jury is to be sequestered for deliberations, so I wonder if they'll be wanting a long hotel stay.

Probably the last thing they want after serving for 6 or 7 weeks.

The jury I was on years ago was struggling to come to a verdict. It was Friday lunch time and we were informed that if we hadn't come to a verdict by a certain time that afternoon (might have been 3pm), we would spend the weekend in a hotel. Boy did that get things moving in that little room. The verdict was duly delivered before the deadline and we went home to a weekend with loved ones.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

I think the opposite will be true. They will have no contact with family, no phones, no access to the outside world. That kind of pressure cooker means there will be more impetus to resolve any points of contention, IMO.

Absolutely. See above.

 

[Detechtive]

Probably the last thing they want after serving for 6 or 7 weeks.

The jury I was on years ago was struggling to come to a verdict. It was Friday lunch time and we were informed that if we hadn't come to a verdict by a certain time that afternoon (might have been 3pm), we would spend the weekend in a hotel. Boy did that get things moving in that little room. The verdict was duly delivered before the deadline and we went home to a weekend with loved ones.

Was this is Australia?

Fascinating.

 

[katydid23]

Key Event
1m ago
The break is over and we turn to the topic of foraging

By Joseph Dunstan

The hearing's resumed, and lead prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC is continuing her cross-examination of accused murderer Erin Patterson.

Dr Rogers indicates she'd like to ask the 50-year-old about foraging for edible mushrooms and suggests Ms Patterson has made "new claims" to the jury about foraging.

"What do you mean by new?" Ms Patterson asks.

Dr Rogers says in her police interview a week after the lunch, Ms Patterson denied foraging for mushrooms. But she's since told the trial she has foraged.

"I told the police that I had never foraged but I didn't say that to the other witnesses, I said that I had not put foraged mushrooms in the meal," Ms Patterson says.

Such a weasel.
"I told the police that I had never foraged but I didn't say that to the other witnesses, I said that I had not put foraged mushrooms in the meal"

Ok, so you LIED to the police investigators and said you never foraged.

And then you told the court that you have foraged for edible mushrooms before.

But then you make a 'word salad' twist and say " I said that I had not put foraged mushrooms in the meal"

THOSE^^^ are two different things. Foraging is not the same thing as serving wild mushrooms in a meal.

So in order to weasel out of admitting she lied to the court she does her word salad twisteroo and comes up with a sentence which makes it sound like an innocent misunderstanding.

You would throw them out.

She not only didn't throw them out, she moved them from her old house to her new one.

On our last move, we threw nearly all of our opened packages and contents of filled Tupperware out and started fresh. I think most people do that when they move from one house to another.

I find it odd that she bothered to bring old dried Asian mushrooms, from an unknown shop, that smelled funny, into her brand new kitchen pantry.

 

[Detechtive]

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