Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

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  • #801
It’s the pot calling the kettle “controlling and emotionally abusive”.

IMO

Even if he was abusive and controlling, that just goes more to motive IMO. Even if he was abusive and controlling, Erin can't allegedly murder him or his family.
 
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  • #803
Where is Erin's other phone?

It is alleged that a second phone was in use, and this phone has never been recovered by police.

Common prosecution start asking the tough questions... Still waiting..!
 
  • #804
Controlling and emotionally abusive. Geez. Quite serious allegations no? IMO
Imagine how Simon, and any other of his relatives feel, hearing this.
Other relatives 'know' Simon's character, and would have witnessed his behaviour with EP.
Hope, this can be addressed later.
?? more lies from EP.
 
  • #805
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She lied to police about not owning a food dehydrator, nor using one, he said. CCTV footage showed her dumping the dehydrator at the local tip. A forensic analysis showed it had traces of death cap mushrooms, and her fingerprints."

Yikes! She’s toast.
 
  • #806
Even if he was abusive and controlling, that just goes more to motive IMO. Even if he was abusive and controlling, Erin can't allegedly murder him or his family.
This is so typical of the passive-aggressive nature of poisoners. They get back at their victims in a subtle way. "I didn't kill them, they chose to ingest it"...
 
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  • #808
This is so typical of the passive-aggressive nature of poisoners. They get back at their victims in a subtle way. "I didn't kill them, they chose to ingest it"...
She's actually givng a motive, intentionally or not...
 
  • #809
There is a GREAT podcast called "Mushroom Daily" by ABC Australia that has an eppisode release every afternoon detailing what occurred in the courtroom that day. You can listen to it on the ABC listen app and Spotify (both free).
 
  • #810
Even if he was abusive and controlling, that just goes more to motive IMO. Even if he was abusive and controlling, Erin can't allegedly murder him or his family.
But not as abusive or as controlling to try and murder his wife... 🤔
 
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  • #812
Erin probably chose mushrooms (food) as opposed to using medicine to poison them so that her fall-back defense could be "accidental". It's not so easy to claim that when you use a drug or chemical to poison someone.
Alleged!
 
  • #813
Okay, "allegedly poison them". Not sure when that word is needed since I'm in the US. Is is okay when the trial is underway to not have to use it?
 
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  • #815
Okay, "allegedly poison them". Not sure when that word is needed since I'm in the US. Is is okay when the trial is underway to not have to use it?
I mean, its very unlikely you'd personally get in trouble for it given you're not Australian. At worst I think they could issue take-down notices to Websleuths and we'd lose the thread, if people were breaking the subjudice laws too much. There is a balance between allowing freedom of expression and the ability for the public to discuss a case, and them actually pursuing action against breaches.

Some discussion here 10. Sub judice contempt: restricting the publication of prejudicial information - Victorian Law Reform Commission
 
  • #816

Patterson claimed Simon became ‘nasty’ during financial dispute, court hears​

A child protection worker has recalled her conversations with Patterson in the days after the lunch.

The worker said the department was contacted on 31 July, 2023, after receiving reports the two children were in Monash Hospital.

The worker said she and a colleague attended the hospital the following day, where they spoke to Patterson.

The child care worker told the court Patterson had spoken about her children, relationship with Simon, financial disputes and arrangements, and the lunch.

Prosecution: “Did she talk about her custody arrangement with the children?”

The worker: “She did. She said she had custody during the week and the kids went to their father’s house on the weekends. She said the kids had started talking to her about staying with her (on weekends).”

“She said he (Simon) was sleeping more on the weekends so they didn’t want to go anymore.

“She said she applied for child support because she was seeking a family tax benefit.

“She said it had changed the relationship between her and Simon.

“She said Simon had been mean but never nasty towards her and she felt that was the time he became nasty towards her.”

‘Made her doubt herself’: Patterson claimed Simon was ‘emotionally abusive’, court hears​

The child protection worker said that Patterson had also expressed feeling “controlled” by Simon.

“She talked about feeling that he was at times controlling and at times emotionally abusive and he would say things that made her doubt herself as a parent and impact her self esteem,” she said.

“She talked about when they separated she gave Simon half her inheritance because she thought that is what you did when you separated.

The worker said Patterson reported having a good relationship with her former-in-laws, but that had changed when her and Simon’s relationship began to decline.

“She said Don and Gail had been the parents she hadn’t had. That her parents died a long time ago. That she felt loved and supported by them. But that relationship had changed recently and she felt isolated from them,” the worker said.

The worker said Patterson expressed that she had no family support.

“She said she felt like she had lost all of that support (Simon’s family) as well.”

Patterson said sitting in her car acted as a ‘cork’ so she didn’t ‘poo herself’, court hears​

The worker said Patterson said she was hosting the lunch to discuss a medical issue and cooked a beef wellington for her guests.

The worker said Patterson said she “found the recipe in a cookbook” and “wanted to do something new and special” for the lunch.

The worker: “She said she bought pre-sliced mushrooms from Woolworths and she had dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer. She said the dried mushrooms would add a nice flavour to the beef wellington.

“She said she had begun to feel unwell that evening and her son had a friend over. She said she dropped him off.

“She said her son had to run into the shops (after they dropped off his friend) and she had to stay in the car (because she had diarrhoea).

“(Patterson explained) it would provide a cork (to prevent the diarrhoea), if she stayed sitting down.”

Under cross examination, the defence quizzed the child protection worker about the timeline of Patterson’s reported loose bowel movements.

During their discussion, the worker reiterated that Patterson had reported suffering diarrhoea on Saturday, and that evening during an outing, “she stayed in the car to act as a cork so she didn’t poo herself.”

At that point, Justice Christopher Beale chimed in seeking clarification:

Justice Beale: “Was cork her word?”

The worker: “Yes.”

Patterson decided not to use dried mushrooms in previous dish due to ‘strong smell’, court hears​

The child protection worker said she spoke with a public health officer about 11.13am on 2 August 2023.

The public health officer explained she was having difficulty getting a hold of Patterson to discuss where she obtained the dried mushrooms.

The child protection worker said she told the public health officer that she had a pre-arranged meeting that day at Patterson’s home and she would facilitate them speaking then.

Later that day, Patterson showed the child protection worker around the house and she helped her return the call to the public health officer while the pair sat at the dining table.

Prior to the call, the child protection worker said she advised Patterson she should check her bank account statements for the dried mushroom purchase.

In response, she said she saw Patterson “scrolling on her phone” but “did not see the screen”, with the mother-of-two then stating she could not find a statement but she could of “paid cash” if it was a small purchase.

The court heard the phone call was then made on speaker phone, while the child protection worker made notes.

The worker said Patterson told the public health officer the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer were in an non-resealable bag with a white label.

The worker said Patterson said was going to use the mushrooms in another dish she cooked prior to the lunch, but decided not to.

“She said she was going to use them in a carbonara, but when she opened them, they had a very strong smell. She (then) put them in a tupperware container (for storage).

(That may have occurred) around April.

Asked if Patterson said why she then decided to use them in the beef wellington, the child protection worker said the mother-of-two said “ because they wouldn’t be the primary flavour” in that dish.

 
  • #817
2m ago

We break for lunch​

By Judd Boaz​

With more discussions still to be had, Justice Beale has sent the jury out for an early lunch.

We'll be back for more after that.
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I am pretty sure that the media can't report on any discussions outside the presence of the jury?
And nor can we
 
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  • #818
Okay, "allegedly poison them". Not sure when that word is needed since I'm in the US. Is is okay when the trial is underway to not have to use it?
The trial may be underway, but she is an innocent woman until the jury spokesperson says the word "guilty" when asked for their verdict.
 
  • #819
Okay, "allegedly poison them". Not sure when that word is needed since I'm in the US. Is is okay when the trial is underway to not have to use it?
Not until jury makes a decision. Until then, it's alleged.
 
  • #820

Patterson claimed Simon became ‘nasty’ during financial dispute, court hears​

A child protection worker has recalled her conversations with Patterson in the days after the lunch.

The worker said the department was contacted on 31 July, 2023, after receiving reports the two children were in Monash Hospital.

The worker said she and a colleague attended the hospital the following day, where they spoke to Patterson.

The child care worker told the court Patterson had spoken about her children, relationship with Simon, financial disputes and arrangements, and the lunch.

Prosecution: “Did she talk about her custody arrangement with the children?”

The worker: “She did. She said she had custody during the week and the kids went to their father’s house on the weekends. She said the kids had started talking to her about staying with her (on weekends).”

“She said he (Simon) was sleeping more on the weekends so they didn’t want to go anymore.

“She said she applied for child support because she was seeking a family tax benefit.

“She said it had changed the relationship between her and Simon.

“She said Simon had been mean but never nasty towards her and she felt that was the time he became nasty towards her.”

‘Made her doubt herself’: Patterson claimed Simon was ‘emotionally abusive’, court hears​

The child protection worker said that Patterson had also expressed feeling “controlled” by Simon.

“She talked about feeling that he was at times controlling and at times emotionally abusive and he would say things that made her doubt herself as a parent and impact her self esteem,” she said.

“She talked about when they separated she gave Simon half her inheritance because she thought that is what you did when you separated.

The worker said Patterson reported having a good relationship with her former-in-laws, but that had changed when her and Simon’s relationship began to decline.

“She said Don and Gail had been the parents she hadn’t had. That her parents died a long time ago. That she felt loved and supported by them. But that relationship had changed recently and she felt isolated from them,” the worker said.

The worker said Patterson expressed that she had no family support.

“She said she felt like she had lost all of that support (Simon’s family) as well.”

Patterson said sitting in her car acted as a ‘cork’ so she didn’t ‘poo herself’, court hears​

The worker said Patterson said she was hosting the lunch to discuss a medical issue and cooked a beef wellington for her guests.

The worker said Patterson said she “found the recipe in a cookbook” and “wanted to do something new and special” for the lunch.

The worker: “She said she bought pre-sliced mushrooms from Woolworths and she had dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer. She said the dried mushrooms would add a nice flavour to the beef wellington.

“She said she had begun to feel unwell that evening and her son had a friend over. She said she dropped him off.

“She said her son had to run into the shops (after they dropped off his friend) and she had to stay in the car (because she had diarrhoea).

“(Patterson explained) it would provide a cork (to prevent the diarrhoea), if she stayed sitting down.”

Under cross examination, the defence quizzed the child protection worker about the timeline of Patterson’s reported loose bowel movements.

During their discussion, the worker reiterated that Patterson had reported suffering diarrhoea on Saturday, and that evening during an outing, “she stayed in the car to act as a cork so she didn’t poo herself.”

At that point, Justice Christopher Beale chimed in seeking clarification:

Justice Beale: “Was cork her word?”

The worker: “Yes.”

Patterson decided not to use dried mushrooms in previous dish due to ‘strong smell’, court hears​

The child protection worker said she spoke with a public health officer about 11.13am on 2 August 2023.

The public health officer explained she was having difficulty getting a hold of Patterson to discuss where she obtained the dried mushrooms.

The child protection worker said she told the public health officer that she had a pre-arranged meeting that day at Patterson’s home and she would facilitate them speaking then.

Later that day, Patterson showed the child protection worker around the house and she helped her return the call to the public health officer while the pair sat at the dining table.

Prior to the call, the child protection worker said she advised Patterson she should check her bank account statements for the dried mushroom purchase.

In response, she said she saw Patterson “scrolling on her phone” but “did not see the screen”, with the mother-of-two then stating she could not find a statement but she could of “paid cash” if it was a small purchase.

The court heard the phone call was then made on speaker phone, while the child protection worker made notes.

The worker said Patterson told the public health officer the dried mushrooms from the Asian grocer were in an non-resealable bag with a white label.

The worker said Patterson said was going to use the mushrooms in another dish she cooked prior to the lunch, but decided not to.

“She said she was going to use them in a carbonara, but when she opened them, they had a very strong smell. She (then) put them in a tupperware container (for storage).

(That may have occurred) around April.

Asked if Patterson said why she then decided to use them in the beef wellington, the child protection worker said the mother-of-two said “ because they wouldn’t be the primary flavour” in that dish.

That's ridiculous. I'm sorry, but sitting in a car does nothing to stop a person from having diarrhea.
 
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