Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

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  • #821
Poisoners just take longer to kill their victims, but they are just as insidious of murderers, maybe worse so. It's premeditated and not done in impulsive anger. There have been many female poisoners throughout history, and many female murders. Watch the show "Deadly Women" for examples.
It is quite shocking to me just how many women have poisoned their husbands. Deadly Women is a great show to watch. For me, the big thing is the dehydrator having the poisonous residue and her fingerprints with her absolute refusal to help the medical staff help save her guests. There is no way of getting around that, IMO No one should forget the earlier testimony from the surviving guest and medical staff. The prosecution will bring this all back to the horrific deaths and suffering of her guests.
 
  • #822
“Ms Cripps said Erin said she hoped sitting down in the car would provide a “cork”.

Later, Justice Christopher Beale asked the witness whether “cork” was the exact word used by the accused.”



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  • #823
Everything I've learned about Erin Patterson's pooping habits has been against my will
 
  • #824
Okay, "allegedly poison them". Not sure when that word is needed since I'm in the US. Is is okay when the trial is underway to not have to use it?
It's alleged right up until a verdict is received that is either guilty or not guilty.
 
  • #825
I'm so sad they got rid of the laughing emoji. There are some, pun intended, corkers in this thread.
 
  • #826
Sometimes sitting down and trying hard to control can stave off an urgent need for a toilet.

I know from experience 😎
 
  • #827
I'm so sad they got rid of the laughing emoji. There are some, pun intended, corkers in this thread.

I agree! I am also giggling over how she said on camera "I'm feeling s***house, thanks for asking".
Hearing about her toileting and corking really puts that in a new context.
 
  • #828
“Ms Cripps said Erin said she hoped sitting down in the car would provide a “cork”.

Later, Justice Christopher Beale asked the witness whether “cork” was the exact word used by the accused.”



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She certainly made sure everyone knew about bowel movements, and that coffee she kept drinking wouldn't have helped, or in her case, did help
 
  • #829
For the intermission...


Behavioural analysis of her media video.
 
  • #830
Ms Cripps confirms that during this visit, Erin had mentioned she was scared about "security and privacy" and was considering changing her phone number.



Live: Erin Patterson didn't answer when asked if she picked mushrooms, witness says
She already had 2 phones back in February

Here is some of what we know about the phones

February 12 — 15

Erin allegedly starts using two mobile phones, known as Phone A and Phone B, using a SIM card with the number 04XX 🤬🤬🤬 783.

May 22

The prosecution says Erin's mobile phone data suggests she travels to Loch and Outtrim.

July 11

Erin allegedly connects a new SIM card with the number 04XX 🤬🤬🤬 835.

August 2

Erin allegedly conducts a factory reset on Phone B, which she had been using before February 12.

August 3

A Victoria Police investigation is launched into the July 29 lunch.

Erin allegedly moves her SIM card with the number 04XX 🤬🤬🤬 835 into Phone B.

August 5

Donald dies at 11:30pm.

A search warrant is executed at Erin's Leongatha house, where police seize Phone B with SIM card number 04XX 🤬🤬🤬 835.

August 6

Erin allegedly remotely conducts a factory reset of Phone B, which is still held by police.

Erin allegedly continues to use Phone A with number 04XX 🤬🤬🤬 783. Police say they never recover this phone.





Why the 2 phones??? Where is the missing phone??

 
  • #831
Key Event
Just now

Court proceedings resume in Erin Patterson trial​


By Judd Boaz​

We return from an early lunch break to proceedings in courtroom 4.

When we left, Katrina Cripps, a child protection worker who spoke several times with Erin Patterson in the days after the deadly lunch, was giving evidence.

The prosecution is back up now to complete their examination.

 
  • #832
Just come out of lurking to say - the strong smell EP told the child protection officer about - supposedly from the dried Asian mushrooms - is similar to how the mushroom expert described dried death cap mushrooms. He said they had a very unpleasant smell when dried.

Some truth mixed up in the lies. You’d think any regular cook would ditch the dried ones if they smelled too strong/unpleasant, not change recipes - beef wellington instead of carbonara - so as to ensure they were included
 
  • #833
1m ago

How much did Erin Patterson eat at lunch?​


By Judd Boaz​

An argument in today's proceedings has stemmed from how much beef Wellington Erin Patterson said she had eaten at the July 29 lunch.

The prosecution points towards notes made by Katrina Cripps' colleague in hospital during her first interview with Erin Patterson, and asks Ms Cripps to read them to refresh her memory.

She then asks how much of the beef Wellington Erin Patterson said she had eaten.

"Half," Ms Cripps replies.

She is then dismissed after that one word answer, and the next witness is called.

 
  • #834
Just come out of lurking to say - the strong smell EP told the child protection officer about - supposedly from the dried Asian mushrooms - is similar to how the mushroom expert described dried death cap mushrooms. He said they had a very unpleasant smell when dried.

Some truth mixed up in the lies. You’d think any regular cook would ditch the dried ones if they smelled too strong/unpleasant, not change recipes - beef wellington instead of carbonara - so as to ensure they were included
That is absolutely right.
 
  • #835
12:30 PM
May 15, 2025

Erin Patterson told child protection worker she found beef wellington recipe in cookbook

Adriana Mageros

Child protection worker Katrina Cripps said Erin Patterson told her she found the beef wellington recipe in a cookbook.
Ms Cripps spoke with Ms Patterson and her two children at Monash Children’s Hospital on August 1, 2023, in the days following the lunch on July 29.
“She said that she’d found it (the beef wellington recipe) in a cookbook… and she wanted to do something new and special,” Ms Cripps said.
The court heard Ms Patterson told Ms Cripps some details of the beef wellington meal.
“She told us that she prepared a beef wellington with mashed potato, green beans and a packet gravy,” Ms Cripps said.
Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson informed her that she bought the pre-sliced mushrooms from a local Woolworths and the dried mushrooms from an Asian grocer.
Ms Patterson told Ms Cripps she had eaten leftovers of the meal the day after the lunch, as did her two children.
Asked if she knew how much Ms Patterson ate of the beef wellington, Ms Cripps told the court: “I don’t believe she ate it all.”
Recalling more of their conversation about the lunch, Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her that she “dished up all the plates” and each lunch guest “chose their own”.
Ms Patterson took a plate that was left over and put others aside for her children, Ms Cripps said.



1:02 PM
May 15, 2025

Erin Patterson considered using dried mushrooms in 'carbonara' dish, court told

Adriana Mageros

Erin Patterson at one stage intended to use dried mushrooms she purchased from an Asian grocer in a carbonara pasta dish, a court has been told.
Child protection worker Katrina Cribbs visited Ms Patterson at her Leongatha home in the days following the lunch, after previously speaking to her and her two children in hospital.
Giving evidence on Thursday, Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her more details about the dried mushrooms, which she ended up using in the beef wellington meal on July 29, 2023.
Ms Patterson told Ms Cripps that the packaging of the mushrooms was “not able to be resealed” and had a “white label on it”.
Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her that she had planned to use the dried mushrooms in “a carbonara” but noticed “they had a strong smell to them” when she opened the tupperware container they were stored in.
Ms Patterson told the worker she purchased the dried mushrooms around April 2023, the jury heard.
Ms Cripps was asked by the prosecution if she knew why Ms Patterson decided to use the mushrooms in the beef wellington meal given their strong scent.
“She felt they wouldn’t be the primary flavour,” Ms Cripps told the court.
Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her she rehydrated the mushrooms, chopped them up and mixed them with other mushrooms she purchased from Woolworths for the beef wellington meal.
Earlier, the court heard Ms Cripps received a phone call from Sally-Anne Atkinson from Victoria’s Department of Heath in relation to which Asian grocer Ms Patterson purchased the mushrooms.

12:31 PM
May 15, 2025

Erin Patterson told child protection worker her estranged husband was 'emotionally abusive', court hears

Adriana Mageros

Child protection worker Katrina Cripps spoke with Erin Patterson and her two kids at Monash Children’s Hospital on August 1, 2023, three days after the lunch.
Giving evidence on Thursday, Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her about her relationship with her estranged husband Simon Patterson.
Ms Cripps recalled Ms Patterson describing Simon as “emotionally abusive” and that he would “say things to her that would make her doubt herself as a mother”.
Ms Patterson said her relationship with Simon “changed” when she asked him to pay child support, Ms Cripps told the court.
“She felt like that was the time he had become nasty towards her,” Ms Cripps said.
The court heard Ms Patterson asked Simon to pay child support sometime in 2022.
Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson told her that she felt as though Simon was “isolating her from the family”.
Ms Patterson described her former in-laws Don and Gail Patterson as the parents she never had and loved them both “very much”, Ms Cripps told the jury.
The court heard Ms Patterson also informed Ms Cripps about the beef wellington lunch invite, which was extended to Don and Gail, and Ian and Heather Wilkinson.
Ms Cripps said Ms Patterson mentioned she had seen Don and Gail at church the week before the lunch and invited them to the gathering because she had “something she wanted to discuss”.
Asked by Crown prosecutor Sarah Lenthall if she knew why Ms Patterson invited the pair over for lunch, Ms Cripps said it was to “discuss a medical issue” and seek “advice” on the matter.

 
  • #836
2m ago

Victoria's chief toxicologist gives evidence​


By Judd Boaz​

Dimitri Gerostamoulos is the next witness called to testify.

He's the head of forensic science at the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine and is the state's chief toxicologist.

Dr Gerostamoulos goes over his duties for the court and tells the court he has consulted on hundreds of cases.

 
  • #837
Simon had stated EP possibly 'had him around' due to Simon providing contacts, when she was building her home.
Now he wasn't needed and EP didn't want his family being involved in the kids upbringing.
EP didn't want them around.
 
  • #838
now05.27 BST
Prosecutor Sarah Lenthall re-examines child protection worker Katrina Cripps.

She asks Cripps about her evidence regarding how much of the beef wellington meal Patterson consumed.

Cripps reviews the notes from the meeting with Patterson on 1 August 2023 – three days after the lethal lunch.

Lenthall asks how much of the meal Patterson told Cripps she ate.

“Half,” Cripps replies.

Cripps’ evidence concludes.

1m ago05.28 BST
The prosecution has called their next witness, Dr Dimitri Gerostamoulos.

Gerostamoulos is the head of forensic science and chief toxicologist at the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, the court hears.

 
  • #839
Key Event
2m ago

Death cap toxins survive freezing and heat, toxicologist says​


By Judd Boaz​

Dr Gerostamoulos says he is commonly asked to test for substances such as drugs and alcohol.

However, when asked about death cap mushrooms, he says these toxins are unusual and not routinely tested for.

"These poisons are outside that routine investigation," he says.
He lists the toxins found in death cap mushrooms, known as amatoxins.

He says those toxins lead to necrosis, liver damage and cell death.

The prosecutions asks Dr Gerostamoulos how robust the toxins inside death cap mushrooms are.

"They are quite stable, when these compounds are frozen but also when they are subjected to heat," he says.
He uses an example of toxins being heated while being prepared in a meal.

Colin Mandy SC jumps in for the defence, and says he has a matter to raise.

The jury is then led out.

 
  • #840
2 hours ago

What Erin told child protection worker​

Katrina Cripps, who worked for Child Protection in July 2023, has entered the witness box after a morning delay.
She said she spoke with Erin, including about her relationship with her estranged husband Simon, on July 31 – two days after the lunch – after she had been admitted to hospital.
“She applied for child support because she was seeking family tax benefit,” Ms Cripps said, noting that was in 2022.
“She said it had changed the relationship with her and Simon.
“She felt that was the time he had become nasty.”
Ms Cripps said Erin had described Simon as “controlling and emotionally abusive”.
“And (he) would say things to her that would make herself doubt herself as a parent,” she said.
She added that Erin told her Don and Gail were the “parents she hadn’t had”.
“She cared and loved them very much,” she said.
But she told the court Erin had started to feel isolated from them and had not been invited to family events of late.

2 hours ago

Erin 'dished up all the plates': Witness​

Ms Cripps said Erin told her she had invited the lunch guests over because “she had something she wanted to discuss with them”.
“It was a medical issue, I believe,” she told the jury.
She said Erin wanted to cook a “new and special” meal for them from a cookbook.
The court heard Erin told Ms Cripps she had bought pre-sliced mushrooms from Woolworths and mushrooms from an Asian grocer.
“She said that she read that the (mushrooms from the Asian grocer) would add a nice flavour to the beef wellington,” Ms Cripps said.
When asked by Crown prosecutor Sarah Lenthall how much Erin ate of her beef wellington, she replied: “Half.”
“I don’t believe she ate it all,” she added.
Ms Cripps said Erin told her she had “dished up all the plates”, before the lunch guests chose their own plates and she took the one that was left over.
She told the court Erin said she started to feel unwell that evening when she had to drop her son’s friend home.
The court heard she then took her son to the supermarket, but stayed in the car because she thought she may have an accident.
Ms Cripps said Erin said she hoped sitting down in the car would provide a “cork”.
Later, Justice Christopher Beale asked the witness whether “cork” was the exact word used by the accused.
“Yes,” Ms Cripps replied.

2 hours ago

Erin didn't respond when asked about foraging​

Ms Cripps told the court she visited Erin again on August 2 at her Leongatha home, a day after she had been discharged from hospital.
She told the court Erin had searched her bank records to find a purchase relating to the Asian grocer.
“She couldn’t find any record,” she said.
She said Erin said if it was a small purchase, she may have paid cash.
Ms Cripps agreed she asked Erin whether she had picked the mushrooms.
Ms Lenthall asked: “Did she answer you?”
She replied: “No.”
The court heard Erin was on her phone while they were having that conversation.
Ms Cripps said Erin told her she had rehydrated the mushrooms from the Asian grocer and used “all of them” in the beef wellington meal.

2 hours ago

Erin put leftovers aside while plating up: Witness​

Under cross examination by defence barrister Sophie Stafford, Ms Cripps is being asked about two conversations Erin recounted to her.
The conversations were those she had with Simon on the Sunday and Monday after the lunch.
Ms Stafford asked: “Can I suggest to you that she did not tell you that Simon had told her that the others (the guests) were unwell (on Sunday)?”
She replied: “You can suggest it, but I’m certain that it happened.”
Ms Cripps said Erin did not use names, but indicated that she said Simon told her the “others” were unwell.
She added that Erin found out that Don and Gail, specifically, were unwell on Monday morning when she had another phone call with Simon.
Ms Stafford also asked Ms Cripps about what Erin told her about the lunch and her serve of the beef wellington.
She asked: “Was it your recollection that … she indicated to you she may have eaten half?”
Ms Cripps replied: “Yes.”
But she agreed it was more accurate to say that Erin indicated that she ate “some of it”.
The court also heard Ms Cripps recalled Erin telling her that she put “two plates aside” when plating up, adding that she mentioned they were for leftovers.
Ms Cripps will return to the witness box at 2.15pm

 
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