Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

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  • #861
5m ago06.13 BST
Jurors are shown the toxicology results for Patterson’s mother-in-law, Gail Patterson.

Gerostamoulos tells the court the institute received more than 50 antemortem samples from Dandenong Hospital and the Austin Hospital.

He says no urine was collected or suitable for analysis.

Gerostamoulos says the results show no detection of alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin above the reportable threshold in any of blood specimens.

now15.19 AEST
The jury is shown the toxicology results for Gail’s sister, Heather Wilkinson.

Gerostamoulos says a urine specimen was received for Wilkinson.

Gerostamoulos says no alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin was discovered in the samples.

 
  • #862
them (the toxins) not being found in Erin + kids is expected, but I thought they'd have been found in all dinner guests?

The toxins leave the body in 24-30 hours or so, as above. Unless it's urine, which I believe the kidneys work over time to flush the toxins out if you are alive and affected by Death Cap poisoning.

Had they been certain of death cap poisoning sooner, maybe they could have been tested more promptly and treated more promptly.

In any case, I don't think it points to anything of real substance. The fact that they all died the same way is enough, and Erin's defence is not disputing that they died from her death cap poisoning.
 
  • #863
My take home so far, if you are so inclined to off people with death cap mushrooms, best not involve multiple people & send red flags to the emergency staff

If not for the 3 victims I fear Erin would have not been suspected.

Scary stuff
 
  • #864
My take home so far, if you are so inclined to off people with death cap mushrooms, best not involve multiple people & send red flags to the emergency staff

If not for the 3 victims I fear Erin would have not been suspected.

Scary stuff

When i saw how little time the toxins remain in the body, I couldn't help but think this is why she might have thought she could get away with it. Allegedly.
 
  • #865
3m ago15.21 AEST
Gerostamoulos says nine antemortem samples from Erin Patterson were analysed.

The blood and serum samples from Monash medical centre were collected on 31 July, the court hears.

Gerostamoulos says alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin were not detected in the samples.

The samples showed the presence of ondansetron, an anti-nausea drug, the court hears.

1m ago15.23 AEST
The jurors are shown the toxicology results for Patterson’s two children.

The children cannot be named for legal reasons.

Both children tested negative for alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin, the court hears.

 
  • #866
When i saw how little time the toxins remain in the body, I couldn't help but think this is why she might have thought she could get away with it. Allegedly.
I did think " she's researched this!"

Bring on the digital evidence I say!
 
  • #867
7m ago

We return from the break​


By Judd Boaz​

Victoria's chief toxicologist Dimitri Gerostamoulos is still in the witness box providing testimony.

The prosecution shifts the topic to the leftovers from the lunch.

He says he received the gravy, the fruit platter and vegetable matter on August 29 for analysis for toxins.

3m ago

Microscopic testing vs laboratory testing explained​


By Judd Boaz​

The prosecution details testimony from mycologist Camille Truong, who we heard from yesterday.

She told the court that microscopic analysis of the food showed no death cap mushrooms.

Dr Gerostamoulos says the only real way of identifying poisons put in food is analytically through a laboratory.

He tells the court the lab works in identifying the toxins rather than the type of mushrooms.

Dr Gerostamoulos says that even if the mushrooms were liquefied or turned into a powder, the toxins would still be detectable.

 
  • #868
Actually, I'm not finding this allegation surprising. We already know that she has initiated multiple separations from him - common in women attempting to leave controlling/narcissistic partners, who are then "love bombed" into giving them another chance.

We know Erin felt he was financially abusive from the information about her missing out on child support / family tax benefit and then feeling blindsided that he filed his tax return as separated.

Her son mentioned the games his father played in relation to the school.

There's a lot of indicators that suggest, at minimum, financial abuse.

It is my belief that EP murdered her in-laws, and that she was probably a victim of coercive control/financial abuse. One doesn't excuse the other.
It's not financial abuse to tell the truth on your tax return. You could be prosecuted for lying.
 
  • #869
18 minutes ago
Highlight

How much death cap toxic does it take to kill?​

Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine forensic toxicologist Dr Dimitri Gerostamoulos is now giving evidence.
He is being asked about death cap mushroom toxins, known as amatoxins.
The court heard there was alpha-amanitin, beta-amanitin and gamma-amanitin.
He said patients with death cap mushroom poisoning “progressively get worse” if these toxins were not removed with timely treatment.
He said the most serious symptoms included tissue necrosis, organ failure and, ultimately, death.
Crown Prosecutor Sarah Lenthall asked Dr Gerostamoulos about the lethal dose of amatoxins for humans.
The court heard for a human weighing 70kg, the lethal dose was about 50g.

less than a minute ago

Results of blood, hair and urine samples revealed​

The court heard dozens of samples taken from Don Patterson, both while he was being treated at hospital and after he had died, were tested by toxicologists.
Dr Gerostamoulos was shown a table of Don’s results.
The court heard post-mortem samples included blood, hair, stomach contents, small sections of liver and fluid taken from the eye.
The table of results showed that two amatoxins, alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin, were detected in Don’s urine sample.
The results of the other lunch guests were also shown to Dr Gerostamoulos.
No alpha-amanitin or beta-amanitin were detected in Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson’s samples, while both alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin were detected in Ian Wilkinson’s samples.
The samples provided by Erin and her two children were also negative for alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin.

 
  • #870
2m ago

How to test for death cap toxins​


By Kristian Silva​

Dr Gerostamoulos details to the court the process of testing for toxins in the leftover food.

He says a solvent such as methanol is added to the leftover food in an effort to remove any toxins present.

The solvent mixture is then left for up to three hours, then the liquid is concentrated and measured with a highly sensitive instrument.

The court is shown pictures of the month-old food samples undertaken by the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine lab.

Prosecutor Sarah Lenthall says there will be 17 photos tendered as part of this exhibit.

The first photo is of the food samples inside a blue plastic bags, which are each said to contain “2x pastry parcels”.

The second photo is of the samples themselves. They show crusted pastry and some brown filling.

The third photo shows small sample containers, with small pieces of pastry and chopped mushrooms inside.

 
  • #871
1m ago

Death cap toxin detected in beef Wellington leftovers​

By Judd Boaz​

Dr Gerostamoulos says that in one sample of mushroom paste, death cap toxin beta amamitin was detected.

Beta amamitin was also detected in one sample of meat.

A jug with brown liquid, appearing to be gravy, tested negative for toxins.


🤯
 
  • #872
1m ago

Dehydrator comes back positive for toxins​


By Judd Boaz​

Samples of vegetable matter from the dehydrator dumped by Erin Patterson was then tested.

Dr Gerostamoulos says several samples from the dehydrator tested positive for both alpha and beta amanitin.

 
  • #873
3m ago06.38 BST
Gerostamoulos says he received exhibits on 29 August 2023 to test for the toxins found in death cap mushrooms.

These included portions of food, a fruit platter, a white jug with brown liquid and vegetable matter or debris, the court hears.

Prosecutor Sarah Lenthall tells Gerostamoulos about previous evidence by a mycologist who on Wednesday told the court she did not find death cap mushrooms in two visual examinations of the lunch leftovers.

Lenthall asks Gerostamoulos to explain this to the jury. He replies:

We undertake an analysis at much lower levels than what the naked eye can detect.


We rely on sensitive instruments to be able to detect very low quantities that were not visible.


We’re looking for the chemical compounds ... they’re not visible.

2m ago06.40 BST
The jury is shown photos of exhibits taken during the toxicological analysis.

One photo shows two blue bags that are labelled to show they contain “pastry parcels”.

Another photo shows pastries on trays.

 
  • #874
2m ago

Court adjourned​


By Judd Boaz​

The prosecution finishes its questioning, and the defence says there is not enough time left in the day for it to make a start.

Justice Beale adjourns court for the day, and we'll hear more from Dr Gerostamoulos tomorrow.

 
  • #875
So Death Cap was found in the "left overs" !
 
  • #876
less than a minute ago

Results of blood, hair and urine samples revealed​

The court heard dozens of samples taken from Don Patterson, both while he was being treated at hospital and after he had died, were tested by toxicologists.
Dr Gerostamoulos was shown a table of Don’s results.
The court heard post-mortem samples included blood, hair, stomach contents, small sections of liver and fluid taken from the eye.
The table of results showed that two amatoxins, alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin, were detected in Don’s urine sample.
The results of the other lunch guests were also shown to Dr Gerostamoulos.
No alpha-amanitin or beta-amanitin were detected in Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson’s samples, while both alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin were detected in Ian Wilkinson’s samples.
The samples provided by Erin and her two children were also negative for alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin.

 
  • #877

Lunch guests’ toxicology results shown in court​

The court has been shown the toxicology results for the lunch guests, Erin Patterson, and her two children.

Alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin were detected in Don Patterson’s urine sample, which was taken while he was still alive (anti-mortem) on 30 July at Dandenong Hospital.

However, other anti-mortem samples - for blood, serum (which is a fluid containing red blood cells) and hair - did not detect either toxin, nor did post-mortem samples of blood or a section of his liver.

Gerostamoulos explained it was not uncommon for alpha-amanitin or beta-amanitin to not appear in anti-mortem or post-mortem samples, depending on the type of sample and when it was taken.

He said samples taken as soon as possible after the poisoning event were most likely to detect the toxins, which are also most easily detectable in urine.

“They (alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin) don’t persist over time,” he said.

“If after 24 hours, or 30 hours, a sample is unavailable, you are not going to find alpha-amanitin, or beta-amanitin.”

Gerostamoulos added that a finding of “undetected” means the sample has not found traces of the substance in amounts above the test’s detectable threshold.

The court was also shown the toxicology results for Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson.

Neither alpha-amanitin or beta-amanitin were found in any of the samples taken from both women.

For Ian Wilkinson, beta-amanitin was detected in his serum, but there was no alpha-amanitin found.

There was also alpha-amanitin detected in his urine (but no beta-amanitin). Death cap toxins weren’t discovered in any of his other sample results.

Erin Patterson and her two children submitted blood and sample serum, with toxicology results finding no detectable death cap mushroom toxins.

Photos of leftover tests shown to court​

The court has been shown a slideshow of photos outlining the various steps toxicologists took while examining the leftovers of the beef wellington.

The photos included the food remnants in zip-lock bags (when they first arrived at hospital) and food samples in viles with ethanol.

Death cap toxins found in lunch leftovers and food dehydrator​

Two of the main toxins in death cap mushrooms were detected in food samples taken from the lunch leftovers and the food dehydrator Patterson allegedly dropped off at a local tip.

The toxicology tests were aimed at detecting traces of alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin.

For the leftovers, samples were taken of the pastry, meat, mushroom paste, and a gravy.

Beta-amanitin was found in a sample of the mushroom paste and meat sample.

For the food dehydrator, four samples of vegetable matter from the food dehydrator were found to contain both alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin.

 
  • #878
1m ago15.51 AEST
According to the toxicological analysis, the meat and mushroom paste sample contained beta-amanitin, the court hears.

Toxicological analysis was also conducted on “vegetable matter and debris” from the dehydrator dumped by Erin Patterson at the Koonwarra transfer station and landfill.

Some of the dehydrator samples were positive for alpha-amanitin and beta-amanitin, the court hears.

 
  • #879
2m ago

What we learned today​


By Judd Boaz​

Today, we heard from two witnesses in the Erin Patterson mushroom murder trial.

One witness, Katrina Cripps, spoke with Erin Patterson in the days following the lunch, travelling to her Leongatha home where the deadly lunch was served.

The other, Dimitri Gerostamoulos, was responsible for testing both the lunch guests and the food they ate for traces of deadly death cap mushroom toxins.

Here's what we learned:

  1. Katrina Cripps told the court that Erin Patterson reported eating half of her serving of the beef Wellington lunch in the days afterwards.
  2. Erin told Ms Cripps that she feared for her privacy after the lunch and was considering changing her phone number.
  3. Donald Patterson and Ian Wilkinson tested positive for death cap toxins, with alpha and beta amanitin found in their urine samples.
  4. Heather Wilkinson and Gail Patterson tested negative for death cap mushroom toxins.
  5. Erin Patterson and her two children all tested negative for death cap mushroom toxins.
  6. Both leftover residue from Erin Patterson's dehydrator, and mushroom paste leftovers from the lunch tested positive for death cap mushroom toxins.

 
  • #880
1m ago

Death cap toxin detected in beef Wellington leftovers​

By Judd Boaz​

Dr Gerostamoulos says that in one sample of mushroom paste, death cap toxin beta amamitin was detected.

Beta amamitin was also detected in one sample of meat.

A jug with brown liquid, appearing to be gravy, tested negative for toxins.


🤯

That was Simon's "pie"?
 
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