Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #9 *Arrest*

[SouthAussie]

- they would become sickly and die in the long term slowly from organ failure and this would happen at different rates depending on age / health & fitness and would be impossible to prove in the future;

I am waiting for evidence about google searches ... "how long does it take to die from Death Cap poisoning", "how long till you are sick after eating Death Caps" ..... "how long till Death Cap toxins are out of your system" ....

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Ms Cripps says when Erin later took her son to the shops, she did not want to get out of the car and preferred to remain seated to prevent incontinence.

If she really had diarrhoea, remaining seated in the car would not have helped much,. It must nit have been a very serious case if just sitting prevents an eruption, imo.

She should have at least pooped her pants for authenticity… a better performance than the fake crying by the red car.

 

[katydid23]

Just come out of lurking to say - the strong smell EP told the child protection officer about - supposedly from the dried Asian mushrooms - is similar to how the mushroom expert described dried death cap mushrooms. He said they had a very unpleasant smell when dried.

Some truth mixed up in the lies. You’d think any regular cook would ditch the dried ones if they smelled too strong/unpleasant, not change recipes - beef wellington instead of carbonara - so as to ensure they were included

Ground Beef and Mushroom Carbonara

A takeoff on the traditional, this dish is rich and comforting.

www.bettycrocker.com

• 12 oz uncooked spaghetti
• 4 slices bacon
• 1/2 lb lean (at least 80%) ground beef
• 1 package (8 oz) sliced fresh mushrooms (3 cups)
• 1 small onion, chopped (1/4 cup)
• 4 cloves garlic, finely chopped
• 1/2 teaspoon salt
• 1/4 teaspoon pepper
• 1 cup whipping cream
• 3 pasteurized eggs, beaten
• 1 cup grated Parmesan cheese
• 2 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley

If she had planned to serve Carbonara ---NO NEED for any powdered mushrooms. The recipes I found were all sliced FRESH mushrooms only

So her explanation for needing to switch recipes is bologna, imo

 

[katydid23]

1m ago

How much did Erin Patterson eat at lunch?​

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By Judd Boaz​

An argument in today's proceedings has stemmed from how much beef Wellington Erin Patterson said she had eaten at the July 29 lunch.

The prosecution points towards notes made by Katrina Cripps' colleague in hospital during her first interview with Erin Patterson, and asks Ms Cripps to read them to refresh her memory.

She then asks how much of the beef Wellington Erin Patterson said she had eaten.

"Half," Ms Cripps replies.

She is then dismissed after that one word answer, and the next witness is called.

Juror dismissed in Erin Patterson murder trial — as it happened

Erin Patterson faces three charges of murder in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts. She's accused of killing three relatives by serving them beef Wellington containing poisonous mushrooms. Follow the events as they happened in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

One of her victims only ate HALF of her meal and she died.

 

[MrJ]

I don’t really think the accused is as great of a mother as she would think she is. Allegedly deliberately robbing her children of grandparents and relatives, being unknowingly given powdered mushrooms in foods (but that all seems creepy after the fact) and allegedly driving a wedge between her and their dad SP. All JMO MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Today the defence will be cross examining Dr Gerostamoulos (toxicologist).


The prosecution finishes its questioning, and the defence says there is not enough time left in the day for it to make a start.
Justice Beale adjourns court for the day, and we'll hear more from Dr Gerostamoulos tomorrow.

Juror dismissed in Erin Patterson murder trial — as it happened

Erin Patterson faces three charges of murder in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts. She's accused of killing three relatives by serving them beef Wellington containing poisonous mushrooms. Follow the events as they happened in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

I don’t really think the accused is as great of a mother as she would think she is. Allegedly deliberately robbing her children of grandparents and relatives, being unknowingly given powdered mushrooms in foods (but that all seems creepy after the fact) and allegedly driving a wedge between her and their dad SP. All JMO MOO

Removing the kids from their schools and sending them to other schools ... when she obviously had enough money to pay for their school fees, if she wanted to.

Allegedly poisoning their father, several times. Put him in a coma one time.

imo

 

[katydid23]

Actually, I'm not finding this allegation surprising. We already know that she has initiated multiple separations from him - common in women attempting to leave controlling/narcissistic partners, who are then "love bombed" into giving them another chance.

We know Erin felt he was financially abusive from the information about her missing out on child support / family tax benefit and then feeling blindsided that he filed his tax return as separated.

But they were separated and had been for years. She was actually cheating the government by trying to pretend they were still living together as a family.

Her son mentioned the games his father played in relation to the school.

Her son was hearing these things from his mother. Like when he said 'my father loves to hurt my mother' ----that sounds more like parental alienation to me

There's a lot of indicators that suggest, at minimum, financial abuse.

I'm not sure that Simon was abusing her financially. I think she had a large monthly income from renting out her properties. That's why the government capped his monthly child support to 40 a month. That was not his calculation, it was the standard rate for their compared incomes.

It is my belief that EP murdered her in-laws, and that she was probably a victim of coercive control/financial abuse. One doesn't excuse the other.

She seems much more coercive and controlling than he does, imo.

 

[CityKid]

Honestly, with all we've learned about way too many people's digestive systems during this trial, perhaps someone could have chosen a better word than "explosive" to describe the evidence. Or maybe not?

 

[katydid23]

1m ago

Gail Patterson's results show no death cap toxins​

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By Judd Boaz​

Gail Patterson, Don's wife, has her toxicology results shown to the court next.

No alpha-Amanitinorbeta-Amanitin toxin was detected in any of the blood, serum or hair samples were found in any of the samples.

No urine was collected from Gail Patterson.

Juror dismissed in Erin Patterson murder trial — as it happened

Erin Patterson faces three charges of murder in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts. She's accused of killing three relatives by serving them beef Wellington containing poisonous mushrooms. Follow the events as they happened in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

1m ago

Heather Wilkinson's results show no toxins​

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By Judd Boaz​

Heather Wilkinson's test results are next.

Urine was collected from Heather Wilkinson, unlike from Gail Patterson.

No alpha-Amanitin or beta-Amanitin toxin was found in her samples.

Juror dismissed in Erin Patterson murder trial — as it happened

Erin Patterson faces three charges of murder in the Latrobe Valley Law Courts. She's accused of killing three relatives by serving them beef Wellington containing poisonous mushrooms. Follow the events as they happened in our live blog.

www.abc.net.au

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UGH, this could be a problem for the prosecution. If neither of the women tested positive for toxins from Death Caps, then it is not a big deal that the defendant did not test positive either?

 

[BreakingNews]

Yes but they separated in 2015 which is when she "split" the inheritance (according to her). That doesn't take into consideration her financial position in 2022/2023 (after another large inheritance from her mothers death in 2019) and having built a home on a cheap-ish property which would have increased her wealth quite significantly, which is when the family court going through a divorce will assess your assets, not backdated to 2015. So potentially, that is another $1m she would have had to give to Simon upon divorce.

I know in Queensland, anything you get after seperation date does not come into the division of property.

 

[BreakingNews]

It's awful. She's robbed so many people of their family members.

Alleged. Btw, you can't blame one person for denying kids of all 4 grandparents!

 

[BreakingNews]

She may be bright and well educated as reported, but experience shows that academic smarts do not necessarily coincide with common sense.
I'm really not sure why that is. One would think that an inherent capacity to learn would correlate with the capacity to predict predicable outcomes.

And she didn't appear to learn much from her sleuthing group.

 

[Jake18]

I predict that the defence will make two claims today in cross examination with the toxicologist.

We’ve learnt that some - but not all - off the leftover meat and mushroom paste was positive for DC toxin. The defence doesn’t want this as it suggests that EP has prepared an uncontaminated sample for herself. They’ll claim that the “seepage” from the bag of leftovers in the bin means that some of the potential toxin containing sample leaked away. The defence brought the seepage up with the doctor who received the beef Wellington samples.

They’ll also claim that EP’s urine test was performed too late after the meal for the toxin test to be reliable. And that because of this a negative test isn’t meaningful.

 

[Detechtive]

I know in Queensland, anything you get after seperation date does not come into the division of property.

Family Law is subject to federal law, it's not state specific. When a property settlement is heard in the family court, assets are largely assessed around the time of the hearing and the valuations for everything must be recent. Liabilities are also assessed at time of hearing.

And besides, Erin and Simon were not (on paper) separated at the time in 2015.

 

[Detechtive]

I predict that the defence will make two claims today in cross examination with the toxicologist.

We’ve learnt that some - but not all - off the leftover meat and mushroom paste was positive for DC toxin. The defence doesn’t want this as it suggests that EP has prepared an uncontaminated sample for herself. They’ll claim that the “seepage” from the bag of leftovers in the bin means that some of the potential toxin containing sample leaked away. The defence brought the seepage up with the doctor who received the beef Wellington samples.

They’ll also claim that EP’s urine test was performed too late after the meal for the toxin test to be reliable. And that because of this a negative test isn’t meaningful.

If I was defending her, I would be saying that toxicology showed that Gail and Heather didn't show death cap poisoning, just like Erin didn't, and due to her larger body weight, it wouldn't have affected her the same way.
But there are still major problems with that argument, because Erin allegedly ate the same amount as one of the women who died and became severely ill very quickly. Even though Erin's body weight looks probably double that of Heather and Gail, you would expect she would still have had some severe symptoms. Erin didn't have any symptoms consistent with Death Cap toxicity. Erin's refusal to be treated is another problem with this argument.

 

[MsMarple]

Ground Beef and Mushroom Carbonara

A takeoff on the traditional, this dish is rich and comforting.

www.bettycrocker.com

• 12 oz uncooked spaghetti
• 4 slices bacon
• 1/2 lb lean (at least 80%) ground beef
• 1 package (8 oz) sliced fresh mushrooms (3 cups)
• 1 small onion, chopped (1/4 cup)
• 4 cloves garlic, finely chopped
• 1/2 teaspoon salt
• 1/4 teaspoon pepper
• 1 cup whipping cream
• 3 pasteurized eggs, beaten
• 1 cup grated Parmesan cheese
• 2 tablespoons chopped fresh parsley

If she had planned to serve Carbonara ---NO NEED for any powdered mushrooms. The recipes I found were all sliced FRESH mushrooms only

So her explanation for needing to switch recipes is bologna, imo

Yeah, it didn’t make sense to me either. She’s supposedly a good cook and should know better. There’s enough umami with the fresh mushrooms.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Alleged. Btw, you can't blame one person for denying kids of all 4 grandparents!

 

[Jake18]

If I was defending her, I would be saying that toxicology showed that Gail and Heather didn't show death cap poisoning, just like Erin didn't, and due to her larger body weight, it wouldn't have affected her the same way.
But there are still major problems with that argument, because Erin allegedly ate the same amount as one of the women who died and became severely ill very quickly. Even though Erin's body weight looks probably double that of Heather and Gail, you would expect she would still have had some severe symptoms. Erin didn't have any symptoms consistent with Death Cap toxicity. Erin's refusal to be treated is another problem with this argument.

I agree. They will argue Erin was exposed to the DC as evidenced by her gastro symptoms, that her urine was tested too late for the toxin test to be meaningful and she was just very lucky.

And that all of the samples would/could have tested positive for DC toxins but the seepage means some of the toxin containing fluid leached away.

It doesn’t explain how they’ll justify the children’s negative tests though, or them being so well. Their urine tests probably were meaningful as they were tested closer to ingestion

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Alleged. Btw, you can't blame one person for denying kids of all 4 grandparents!

Who blamed her for denying her kids from all 4 grandparents? I certainly didn't. But she certainly denied her children of 2 grandparents.