GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

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I listened to the extra Mushroom Daily podcast today, and was interested to hear some of the detail they went into.

Specifically, they mentioned that the defence had an expert witness basically refuting all of Simon's poison claims and indicating that his symptoms didn't align with having ingested something. I don't think he could say 100% though.

Quite late in the game, the prosecution brought out the rat poison link based on searches but the expert wasn't there to possibly refute.

I suspect this had quite a lot to do with why the charges were dropped. Had the defence pulled apart those claims they might have feared it could have had a knock on effect on the more significant ones. It could've ended up looking like Simon had it in for Erin and was out to get her.

Instead, they let the main case play out and the much clearer evidence from that took her down. Once you realise she did those, then it becomes much more likely that she was simply very cunning with how she poisoned Simon.
The charges were dropped because the Judge ruled that they had to be a separate trial. The prosecution challenged it and took it to the High Court, but lost.
It was always going to prejudice the main charges, so it's pretty understandable why it wasn't allowed.
 
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The testimony about her sad, hard life really backfired. I kept thinking, how much more of this woman’s history do we need to hear? How is it relevant? Hours and hours this poor me narrative - I’ve had such an awful life. It reminded me of Mr Bennet in Pride & Prejudice commenting about the lying cad Mr Wickham and his fictitious sob stories. “With such narratives to hand, who would read novels?”

I have been thinking about this too. What exactly is hard about her life?
She grew up in a stable affluent educated home (sure, maybe some bad things happened behind the scenes, but who knows, really!), she had academic success and great career prospects, she had inheritances akin to lottery windfalls, she had an amazingly supportive family in Simon and his parents - devoted and kind and supportive. Two great kids. No debt. Travelled extensively - including overseas most years.

Sounds like she was living the dream!

What exactly was her issue?
 
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She wasn't satisfied. Nobody who stalks and harasses people online is completely satisfied with their life. Something pathological about her
 
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She wasn't satisfied. Nobody who stalks and harasses people online is completely satisfied with their life. Something pathological about her
Once they threaten your kids, that's it. I had a crazed woman in an online group in the UK do that to me and she regretted it.
 
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Once they threaten your kids, that's it. I had a crazed woman in an online group in the UK do that to me and she regretted it.
She was anonymously threatening people in our group who she pretended to be friends with.
 
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I have been thinking about this too. What exactly is hard about her life?
She grew up in a stable affluent educated home (sure, maybe some bad things happened behind the scenes, but who knows, really!), she had academic success and great career prospects, she had inheritances akin to lottery windfalls, she had an amazingly supportive family in Simon and his parents - devoted and kind and supportive. Two great kids. No debt. Travelled extensively - including overseas most years.

Sounds like she was living the dream!

What exactly was her issue?
Some people only feel anything when they're hurting or controlling someone else.

So it isn't enough to have things that most people would find great excitement or contentment with.

For them to find satisfaction, they have to cause suffering, loss, or pain in another. They have to witness that suffering, relish it.

That's how they feel like they're winning.

So yeah, she's in prison, probably forever, but she 'won'.

She will never not be a threat to others. Poisoners never change the mindset that causes them to choose to poison. If the prison staff has any sense of duty of care to its charges, she'll never be on kitchen duty, and she'll have solitary accommodations.

MOO
 
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I have been thinking about this too. What exactly is hard about her life?
She grew up in a stable affluent educated home (sure, maybe some bad things happened behind the scenes, but who knows, really!), she had academic success and great career prospects, she had inheritances akin to lottery windfalls, she had an amazingly supportive family in Simon and his parents - devoted and kind and supportive. Two great kids. No debt. Travelled extensively - including overseas most years.

Sounds like she was living the dream!

What exactly was her issue?
I think that her fortunate life circumstances will be under the microscope during sentencing. She may say she suffered “trauma” but really, she was born to financially comfortable, educated, Caucasian parents. Her background is not indigenous. She came from a two-parent family. I can’t see any aspect with which she would have had it hard or struggled with unfortunate circumstances in her childhood, adolescence and/or early adulthood that would in any way account for the crimes that she committed. She wasn’t raised in poverty, she wasn’t a migrant child, and she wasn’t in out -of-home care or foster care as a child.

If I recall correctly - she went to PLC, a renowned ladies college, for her schooling. Erin had many opportunities to extend herself and get more of an education as both an adolescent and an adult.

I understand that as a middle aged woman, both of her parents died, but it’s not uncommon to have one or both parents pass away as a middle-aged adult. I don’t think that would qualify her as having undergone any special hardship.

We have heard that her parents died of natural causes, so I don’t think that qualifies as anything specifically heinous for the judge to consider in sentencing. It’s not like her parents died as victims of a crime, for example.


So to your point: What was hard about Erin’s life? Nothing, really.

What was her issue: I think her issue is that she’s really angry, mentally unstable and has a delusion that everyone is out to get her. She also has a delusion that she is sick and she has medical problems that she doesn’t actually have.

Erin’s issue is Erin.

All imo
 
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I think she planned to kill them all. She would have made her pasties well in advance of the time they arrived, when she still didn't know if Simon would go in response to her last text.

It might be simple. Even if Simon didn't come for her beef, she could still cook something for the funerals, she probably thought. She obviously had no clue that Simon was suspecting her.
 
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She was anonymously threatening people in our group who she pretended to be friends with.
That's terrible. She really is a vile person.
 
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Please continue the discussion on Thread #19.

 
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