GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[JBowie]

I would think EP has a poor diet.

Well, she now gets to eat what is served up to all inmates and my guess is that won't be a weight watchers menu.

If she refuses any form of exercise then she may bloat out even further.

 

[Kemug]

Great post! I have wondered about the level of psych testing done for the aviation training.

My daughter was once interviewed for a position composing such tests. She got to the final 3, and was flown to the Wagga RAAF base for the final interview. She didn't get the position, but said it was a very interesting day out! She is very cluey about people, and one day we plan to write a murder mystery together!

 

[Ellery84]

Seems no one bothered to renew the Red MG wagon ...

Registration number: 1XZ4OZ
Registration status & expiry date: Expired - 17/07/2025

That’s correct!

 

[LadyL]

I thought initially along the lines of the super smart plan, months in the making. Every contingency covered, depending on how things panned out. I've mentioned mushroom gravy brought by a (now deceased) guest in the orange cake container etc.

I now lean towards her being "handed" the plan via reading it in a book. We've seen "The Chalet" mentioned, but I favour Bonnie Garmus' "Lessons in Chemistry". All it really required was the procuring of the death caps and hiding them in a suitable meal. It totally relied on them all dying before too much information could be revealed. Then, as the book said, just play the dumb housewife who has made a terrible mistake.

Some thinking had to go into obtaining the death caps. Even that was poorly done if she was smart. Do the researching at the library, not on her own devices. Don't take her phone with her to incriminating locations. Don't post stuff about dehydrating anything, no-one needed to know that.

The meal itself was well thought out, but it relied upon dead people telling no tales. The individual portions and colored plates were great, until Simon knew about it.

When the plan revolved around playing the dumb housewife in the aftermath, she wasn't well equipped to deal with a situation that called for anything but dumb. Given the cards she was dealt, she played the best hand she could, by retrofitting her story (lies) to the evidence. Thankfully, 12 of her peers saw straight through her bungling.

[bbm]

I don't remember reading that a guest brought gravy? I thought one brought dessert and one brought a fruit platter ...

 

[MIG214222]

I would think EP has a poor diet.
She probably is not healthy.
Living a possible 30 years in prison, may not be possible.

Hello @tmar,
This information is for the *other* question you posted that's vanished - gotta be quick in this joint! LOL!

Don and Gail Patterson (Simon Patterson’s parents), married in November 1973, they had four children.
I'm assuming Simon was born after the marriage (a safe assumption I reckon) so he's an age less than 50.

Read it somewhere, can't remember where tho & am too tired of vicious Patterson to do any more research on her atm so MOs

 

[MIG214222]

[bbm]

I don't remember reading that a guest brought gravy? I thought one brought dessert and one brought a fruit platter ...

Hi @LadyL,
You are correct!
Lazy, spendthrift Erin made *fake* gravy, along with *fake* potatoes & *fake* pastry - *fake* = EP, she of many shortcuts, too hard, too complicated, how do I expend the least amount of effort to get an end result that will impress everybody?
I know, I'll tell a LIE, and then another & another & NO-ONE WILL EVER KNOW!

I've wondered for a LONG time exactly how old EP was when the first lie fell out of her mouth - IF she was 'sent to her room' to reflect OR IF she trounced OFF there bc Mum, Dad & Sis did not believe her & - as she stormed up the corridor - ringing in her ears were the words - ERIN, Erin, erin - she heard the disappointment, the frustration, expectation, pleading to be truthful and so many other emotions interwoven in their voices - she didn't care - and so it was that erin in triplicate was created.....

MOs MOs MOs

Edit, corrected punctuation

 

[Woolly]

Hello @tmar,
This information is for the *other* question you posted that's vanished - gotta be quick in this joint! LOL!

Don and Gail Patterson (Simon Patterson’s parents), married in November 1973, they had four children.
I'm assuming Simon was born after the marriage (a safe assumption I reckon) so he's an age less than 50.

Read it somewhere, can't remember where tho & am too tired of vicious Patterson to do any more research on her atm so MOs

I’m not sure why you were wondering, but Simon is 50. (Or at least he was at the start of the trial. I’m not sure when his birthday is so he could be 51 now.)

 

[Tortoise]

[bbm]

I don't remember reading that a guest brought gravy? I thought one brought dessert and one brought a fruit platter ...

I believe that was the poster's thoughts about what her planned story was going to be. That the guests brought the gravy, if they didn't survive long enough to talk about it.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

JMO but I think the fundamental flaw in her plan is that :

She believed the DC mushroom powder was so toxic nobody could survive it even if they checked into an ER with severe gastric food poisoning. She knew dead men can't talk. Following their certain death, her plan was 'dumb housewife' as above.

The cover story was going to be 'yes, I forage mushrooms, yes I dehydrate them, yes I powder them to enrich flavours and add nutrition to my cooking / baking' (hence why she freely and openly posted about adding them to the children's brownies - this was part of the cover story preparation). Also feigning some sickness. Had one person not survived, she may have said she didn't eat much, if any and only had a slight sickness.

This cover story was blown by victims directly accusing her of poisoning them and SP making a link to DC mushrooms, plus one victim surviving, able to tell all. Finding out maybe Ian could live must have totally span her out as we see her repeatedly saying she hopes that Don pulls through. She couldn't say the name of the real survivor as she didn't hope he pulled through and sometimes the brain / subconscious prevents a lie being spoken. She's a terrible liar. She may also be autistic IMO high probability of that, autistic people often can't lie - they try to think of alternative arguments but they're not so great at fabrications.

She killed people because she wanted to have them permanently out of her life and to her that makes total sense, it is quite logical in a certain way. The bit missing there would be 'empathy' and that would put her on the furthest end of Antisocial Personality Disorder as also logically, it's the hard end of 'antisocial' to think killing people because they're annoying you is rational. She wanted her freedom back IMO so to her it represented a bid for freedom from the perceived 'oppression' of her in laws who slightly controlled her and had influence on her kids but didn't include her in their family any longer (probably didn't want her at the birthday party).

JMO MOO

If autistic people can't lie, then Erin definitely isn't autistic! I have a close friend who has high functioning Aspergers and he's a terrible liar...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think it was her subtle way of bragging to friends about her plan.

Yes. She got off on it...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

My daughter was once interviewed for a position composing such tests. She got to the final 3, and was flown to the Wagga RAAF base for the final interview. She didn't get the position, but said it was a very interesting day out! She is very cluey about people, and one day we plan to write a murder mystery together!

You could send a copy of your book to Erin.

 

[Kemug]

You could send a copy of your book to Erin.

She's so very clever that she's probably beginning a murder mystery even as we speak!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She's so very clever that she's probably beginning a murder mystery even as we speak!

She wouldn't be allowed to write an autobiography, would she?

 

[Kemug]

She wouldn't be allowed to write an autobiography, would she?

A. She might be allowed to write something if it was out of "working hours"
B. However, if she called it an autobiography, then we would know for sure that it was all lies
C. And if she didn't call it an autobiography, then LE might do well to investigate
D And finally, it all sounds too much like hard work for Erin

 

[Detechtive]

Seeing as though she put them on the true crime group, maybe she was testing the waters to see whether normally suspicious people could spot them.

Like if one poster had said they look like they might be poisonous she could have pretended it was a mistake and aborted the plan.

However, the fact they didn't, made her think that she could probably pass it off as an accident if it came to it.

Those people wouldn't have noticed. They aren't very observant people.

I think, though, she was counting on nobody ever finding out she had used deathcaps, and nobody from her friends group "betraying her" by showing that to police if it was ever suspected.

Even months after the charges they will still in complete denial and containing it - trying to shut down "mean people" on social media saying she was guilty. It was truly bizarre how they thought they could control it and everyone in the entire world.

I think she was giddy with excitement and wanted to share with her friends because she finally got the solution to rid herself of him and his family. Couldn't contain her glee! Sick and twisted.

 

[Kemug]

She hated Simon's family so much, and yet it seems to me that no-one could have asked for better or more caring inlaws.

 

[Hercule Holmes]

[bbm]

I don't remember reading that a guest brought gravy? I thought one brought dessert and one brought a fruit platter ...

You are right, they didn't. It was mentioned (by me) as an explanation she could have used had things gone down a certain path - all dead, but linked back to her lunch.

No-one could refute anything she said. If DC's had been detected, then simply say one of the guests brought mushroom gravy.

 

[Ellery84]

She wouldn't be allowed to write an autobiography, would she?

Anyone can write an autobiography. We are all entitled to tell the story of our lives.

No one’s going to publish or distribute it. IMO

However, what you cannot do is make proceeds off of crime.

IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

Seems no one bothered to renew the Red MG wagon ...

Registration number: 1XZ4OZ
Registration status & expiry date: Expired - 17/07/2025

Do you have to obtain a yearly RWC (pink slip) in Victoria to renew rego (similar to NSW?)

 

[HoneyBunOne]

A. She might be allowed to write something if it was out of "working hours"
B. However, if she called it an autobiography, then we would know for sure that it was all lies
C. And if she didn't call it an autobiography, then LE might do well to investigate
D And finally, it all sounds too much like hard work for Erin

I wonder if she'll do an OJ Simpson and pen a book titled "If I did it", just like him. It seems like something she might do.