GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[SouthAussie]

I thought it was the judge that ruled them to be separated, not the DPP.

The reports say that the DPP dropped the charges. Though it isn't clear why they were dropped. Justice Beale did not indicate that the court had ordered it.


Victorian prosecutors have dropped some of the charges against alleged triple-murderer Erin Patterson, as her Supreme Court trial gets under way.

However, the ABC can now report that the Director of Public Prosecutions has dropped three other attempted murder charges against Ms Patterson.

Justice Christopher Beale .... "Those charges have been discontinued by the Director of Public Prosecutions. In other words those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,"

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson no longer facing charges over estranged husband

Victorian prosecutors drop some of the charges against Ms Patterson, as the 50-year-old's Supreme Court murder trial gets under way in the regional town of Morwell.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Ellery84]

Yeah it's just DM clickbait.

It is. Wayne’s been asked to write an article, but there’s nothing new happening in this space. IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Yeah it's just DM clickbait.

I realise that the Daily Mail are known for using click bait and aren't always a reliable source, but this is the first we've heard that prison doctors allegedly diagnosed her with Munchausens back in 2023. Also that prison staff have denied that she ever worked in the kitchen. Maybe the DM do have a contact in the prison?

 

[LinasK]

The reports say that the DPP dropped the charges. Though it isn't clear why they were dropped. Justice Beale did not indicate that the court had ordered it.


Victorian prosecutors have dropped some of the charges against alleged triple-murderer Erin Patterson, as her Supreme Court trial gets under way.

However, the ABC can now report that the Director of Public Prosecutions has dropped three other attempted murder charges against Ms Patterson.

Justice Christopher Beale .... "Those charges have been discontinued by the Director of Public Prosecutions. In other words those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,"

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson no longer facing charges over estranged husband

Victorian prosecutors drop some of the charges against Ms Patterson, as the 50-year-old's Supreme Court murder trial gets under way in the regional town of Morwell.

www.abc.net.au

I've heard prosecutors on TV in general say that sometimes they withhold certain charges in their "back pocket" to use as insurance in the future (to re-charge) should they not obtain a murder conviction. Because if you get an acquittal, you can't retry the murder charge.

 

[Detechtive]

The reports say that the DPP dropped the charges. Though it isn't clear why they were dropped. Justice Beale did not indicate that the court had ordered it.


Victorian prosecutors have dropped some of the charges against alleged triple-murderer Erin Patterson, as her Supreme Court trial gets under way.

However, the ABC can now report that the Director of Public Prosecutions has dropped three other attempted murder charges against Ms Patterson.

Justice Christopher Beale .... "Those charges have been discontinued by the Director of Public Prosecutions. In other words those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,"

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson no longer facing charges over estranged husband

Victorian prosecutors drop some of the charges against Ms Patterson, as the 50-year-old's Supreme Court murder trial gets under way in the regional town of Morwell.

www.abc.net.au

They were dropped because the judge decided the charges had to be tried separately so the DPP decided not to proceed with them. IMO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

They were dropped because the judge decided the charges had to be tried separately so the DPP decided not to proceed with them. IMO

Exactly. They wanted to focus on this one first

 

[Detechtive]

Exactly. They wanted to focus on this one first

That and they were prejudicial to the main charges due to tendency.
They are so damning that they could have swayed the jury for the murder convictions.

 

[Monstradamus]

That and they were prejudicial to the main charges due to tendency.
They are so damning that they could have swayed the jury for the murder convictions.

Looks like the Jury got it right, regardless.

 

[Two SCents]

The reports say that the DPP dropped the charges. Though it isn't clear why they were dropped. Justice Beale did not indicate that the court had ordered it.


Victorian prosecutors have dropped some of the charges against alleged triple-murderer Erin Patterson, as her Supreme Court trial gets under way.

However, the ABC can now report that the Director of Public Prosecutions has dropped three other attempted murder charges against Ms Patterson.

Justice Christopher Beale .... "Those charges have been discontinued by the Director of Public Prosecutions. In other words those charges have been dropped and you must put them out of your mind,"

Accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson no longer facing charges over estranged husband

Victorian prosecutors drop some of the charges against Ms Patterson, as the 50-year-old's Supreme Court murder trial gets under way in the regional town of Morwell.

www.abc.net.au

Curious as to why there has never been any explanation of the 4th charge of attempt on Simon's life on the day of the luncheon. It just seemed to vaporise.

5. The accused at Leongatha on 29/07/2023 did attempt to commit an indictable offence namely the murder of Simon Patterson

 

[JBowie]

That and they were prejudicial to the main charges due to tendency.
They are so damning that they could have swayed the jury for the murder convictions.

Just reiterating my previous on this: I find it hard to imagine how the dropped charges could have been tried in conjunction with the murder charges given that the case that went forward was supported by tons of evidence found in garbage bins, captured on CCTV, GPS data, etc, etc.

Whereas, AFAIK, there was no hard evidence for the prosecution to provide to support the dropped charges.

Again, IMO, trying both sets simultaneously would have created a highly confusing situation for the jurors and given the defence plenty of latitude to establish serious doubt in their minds.

 

[Monstradamus]

Curious as to why there has never been any explanation of the 4th charge of attempt on Simon's life on the day of the luncheon. It just seemed to vaporise.

5. The accused at Leongatha on 29/07/2023 did attempt to commit an indictable offence namely the murder of Simon Patterson

Yes, she admitted the 6th BW was for him.
The DPP seemed to have lumped them in with the previous charges of attempted murder on Simon.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Curious as to why there has never been any explanation of the 4th charge of attempt on Simon's life on the day of the luncheon. It just seemed to vaporise.

5. The accused at Leongatha on 29/07/2023 did attempt to commit an indictable offence namely the murder of Simon Patterson

I wonder if it is because the attempted act of murder was not executed against Simon as he did not attend the lunch. There was planning, but not a actus reus per se.

Also, was the beef wellington intended for him ever found? If not, then that may have been less evidence for the charge. Just curious.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

Just reiterating my previous on this: I find it hard to imagine how the dropped charges could have been tried in conjunction with the murder charges given that the case that went forward was supported by tons of evidence found in garbage bins, captured on CCTV, GPS data, etc, etc.

Whereas, AFAIK, there was no hard evidence for the prosecution to provide to support the dropped charges.

Again, IMO, trying both sets simultaneously would have created a highly confusing situation for the jurors and given the defence plenty of latitude to establish serious doubt in their minds.

IMO I think it was tactical on the part of the Prosecution to throw the book at Erin with as many charges as possible.

Also a good move to not proceed to try them at the same time. There must have been evidence for the charges to have been laid in the first place. JMO.

 

[Two SCents]

I wonder if it is because the attempted act of murder was not executed against Simon as he did not attend the lunch. There was planning, but not a actus reus per se.

Also, was the beef wellington intended for him ever found? If not, then that may have been less evidence for the charge. Just curious.

Thanks, great answer.

 

[Warshawski]

Speaking of the devil...

Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson's shocking new medical diagnosis that could see her escape a life sentence behind bars | Daily Mail Online Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson's shocking new medical diagnosis

Perhaps just my personal bias, but I don’t believe that’s a genuine diagnosis.

However I do believe that after many years of practice, EP would act her way out of or into just about any situation she sets her mind to - except this time. She will now justifiably serve out the rest of her life as a guest of His Majesty - a fitting place for someone who considers herself way above the rest of us mere mortals.

IMO.

 

[Detechtive]

In a criminal trial, the decision to separate charges is foremost made by the prosecution ( DPP), not he judge

The DPP has the discretion to decide which charges to pursue together and which to try separately.

However, the judge can also influence this decision by ruling on a defense motion to sever the charges if there's a risk of prejudice to the accused.

That’s what happened here. The judge said no.

 

[Detechtive]

Perhaps just my personal bias, but I don’t believe that’s a genuine diagnosis.

However I do believe that after many years of practice, EP would act her way out of or into just about any situation she sets her mind to - except this time. She will now justifiably serve out the rest of her life as a guest of His Majesty - a fitting place for someone who considers herself way above the rest of us mere mortals.

IMO.

She does clearly have some form of factitious disorder / which is muncheausens - because she uses fake illness for sympathy / manipulation.

Not to be confused with muncheausens by proxy.

And it’s diagnosed behaviourally, there’s no objective blood test or mri scan. If you lie about illnesss to get attention or some other favour, you meet the criteria for this disorder, therefore, the diagnoses seems reasonable.

However.

This diagnosis does not diminish using false illness to lure people to your home in order to murder them. And it’s not mutually exclusive with psychopathy. In fact, people with ASPD lie pathologically to meet their goals, so It won’t have any affect on her sentencing IMO because it’s not relevant, and I also think the DM is a clickbait bonanza and they’ve got no credibility, imo.

Speaking of which, did anyone else see Wayne Flowers saying he was a victim of Erin because his wife of 24 years left him during his covering of this trial?

IMO only

 

[Detechtive]

Just reiterating my previous on this: I find it hard to imagine how the dropped charges could have been tried in conjunction with the murder charges given that the case that went forward was supported by tons of evidence found in garbage bins, captured on CCTV, GPS data, etc, etc.

Whereas, AFAIK, there was no hard evidence for the prosecution to provide to support the dropped charges.

Again, IMO, trying both sets simultaneously would have created a highly confusing situation for the jurors and given the defence plenty of latitude to establish serious doubt in their minds.

There was actually quite a bit of evidence to support the attempted murder charges, but, it was highly circumstantial without any scientific evidence. There were at least 4 accounts, a spreadsheet Simon put together and official medical records where he told his Gp about the attempts, along with serious illness and hospitalisation after dining with Erin.

But it would never have been allowed into this trial because of its prejudicial tendency nature IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She does clearly have some form of factitious disorder / which is muncheausens - because she uses fake illness for sympathy / manipulation.

Not to be confused with muncheausens by proxy.

And it’s diagnosed behaviourally, there’s no objective blood test or mri scan. If you lie about illnesss to get attention or some other favour, you meet the criteria for this disorder, therefore, the diagnoses seems reasonable.

However.

This diagnosis does not diminish using false illness to lure people to your home in order to murder them. And it’s not mutually exclusive with psychopathy. In fact, people with ASPD lie pathologically to meet their goals, so It won’t have any affect on her sentencing IMO because it’s not relevant, and I also think the DM is a clickbait bonanza and they’ve got no credibility, imo.

Speaking of which, did anyone else see Wayne Flowers saying he was a victim of Erin because his wife of 24 years left him during his covering of this trial?

IMO only

Yes, it would be very interesting to see her medical file.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

JMO but I don't think lying about a fake medical condition to lure her guests to eat a meal with her comprises Munchausen's. Saying that she wanted their attention and support was the cover story of that lie. She didn't really want their attention and support, she was luring them to poison them.

She's an intelligent woman who knows full well that lumps on elbows bear no relation to gynae cancers. Seems she didn't even care much about the lie to fabric a more believable one.

Munchausen's by Proxy - trying to sicken and disable her relatives so they would depend upon her and she could gain the glory for being 'Nurse Erin' (aligns with her 'nursing training' story) maybe. There is a huge space for the idea she didn't think people would die but would be extremely long term unwell. Sick, disabled, old people x Nurse Erin in total control. Makes sense to me.

JMO MOO