GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[iamshadow21]

I really think that they would benefit from some professional therapy. After my brother was murdered my nephew was taken to see a psychologist and she said that he was to young to process it and to get him into sport and take him back when he was older if it was felt that he needed it...

That's nonsense, people have been doing meaningful therapy with kids as young as toddlers for over a hundred years. For kids that young, it's more like a child led play session with toys and puppets rather than the stereotypical couch. While sport can help people be healthier, mentally, it's not a substitute for actual psychological treatment and care. I'm sorry your nephew didn't get the support he deserved.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

That's nonsense, people have been doing meaningful therapy with kids as young as toddlers for over a hundred years. For kids that young, it's more like a child led play session with toys and puppets rather than the stereotypical couch. While sport can help people be healthier, mentally, it's not a substitute for actual psychological treatment and care. I'm sorry your nephew didn't get the support he deserved.

MOO

I agree. Had he been in my care I would have taken him to a different psychologist. The one in question didn't even meet him.

 

[Monstradamus]

Yes, it is possible to obtain sole parental responsibility (also known as full custody) when the other parent is incarcerated for life. While there is no automatic loss of parental rights due to incarceration, a court can determine that it is in the child's best interests to grant sole parental responsibility to the other parent.
Factors considered by the court:

• The child's best interests:
  This is the paramount consideration in all parenting matters.
• Safety of the child:
  The court will prioritize the child's safety and well-being, which may be compromised by the imprisoned parent's situation.
• Views of the child:
  The court will consider the child's maturity and understanding of the situation, though they are not required to express views if they prefer not to.
• Capacity of the parents:
  The court assesses each parent's ability to meet the child's developmental, psychological, emotional, and cultural needs.
• Relationship with the child:
  The court will consider the benefit to the child of maintaining a relationship with both parents, but only if it is safe to do so.
• Evidence of parental unfitness:
  If the imprisoned parent has engaged in behaviors that demonstrate unfitness, such as domestic violence or neglect, this will be considered, according to legal resources.
• 1. 1. Seek legal advice:
     A family lawyer specializing in child custody matters is crucial to guide you through the process.
     
     
  2. 2. Prepare evidence:
     Gather evidence to support your claim, including police reports, school records, medical records, and testimonies from professionals, according to a legal blog.
     
     
  3. 3. Apply for parenting orders:
     You will need to apply to the Family Court for parenting orders, which can be done through consent (agreement between parents) or through a court hearing.
     
     
  4. 4. Consider the child's views:
     If the child is mature enough, their views on the arrangements will be considered, according to legal resources.
     
     
  5. 
     
  6. 5. Focus on the child's best interests:
     Throughout the process, remember that the court's primary focus is on what is best for the child's well-being and development.
     Important considerations:
     
     • Imprisonment does not automatically terminate parental rights:
       The court will still assess the situation to determine the best outcome for the child.
     • Even with a court order, the incarcerated parent may still have some rights:
       This may include the right to communicate with the child, depending on the specific circumstances and court orders.
     • Supervised visits or limited time with the child may be considered:
       If it is deemed necessary to protect the child's safety, the court may order supervised visits or restrict the incarcerated parent's time with the child, according to a legal blog.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I struggle to see how any type of meaningful therapy would help these poor children.

Their mother planned, calculated & carried out murdering their grandparents & aunt & allegedly tried numerous times to also murder their father. She has shown no remorse. Even threw the children under the bus when on the stand.

How in the hell do these children get thru this?? I hope she has NO contact with them & by some miracle they can begin to heal, how I have no clue. I also hope that Ali also has no contact with them.

BBM
You have to try though, right? They can't be left to process this all on their own, or even with those close to them - who aren't trained or skilled in these matters. You have to do everything in your power to give them the best shot at processing this. It may help, it may not, but not trying therapy is not an option IMHO.

 

[Ellery84]

It almost seems criminal to me that a state can drop charges which means that a victim of crime can't get justice. Simon is entitled to justice, if only for the trauma to his body. IMO

I don’t think they could have successfully prosecuted the case to lead a jury to a guilty verdict. IMO

 

[Ellery84]

Yes, it is possible to obtain sole parental responsibility (also known as full custody) when the other parent is incarcerated for life. While there is no automatic loss of parental rights due to incarceration, a court can determine that it is in the child's best interests to grant sole parental responsibility to the other parent.
Factors considered by the court:

• The child's best interests:
  This is the paramount consideration in all parenting matters.
• Safety of the child:
  The court will prioritize the child's safety and well-being, which may be compromised by the imprisoned parent's situation.
• Views of the child:
  The court will consider the child's maturity and understanding of the situation, though they are not required to express views if they prefer not to.
• Capacity of the parents:
  The court assesses each parent's ability to meet the child's developmental, psychological, emotional, and cultural needs.
• Relationship with the child:
  The court will consider the benefit to the child of maintaining a relationship with both parents, but only if it is safe to do so.
• Evidence of parental unfitness:
  If the imprisoned parent has engaged in behaviors that demonstrate unfitness, such as domestic violence or neglect, this will be considered, according to legal resources.
  1. 1. Seek legal advice:
     A family lawyer specializing in child custody matters is crucial to guide you through the process.
     
     
  2. 2. Prepare evidence:
     Gather evidence to support your claim, including police reports, school records, medical records, and testimonies from professionals, according to a legal blog.
     
  3. 3. Apply for parenting orders:
     You will need to apply to the Family Court for parenting orders, which can be done through consent (agreement between parents) or through a court hearing.
     
  4. 4. Consider the child's views:
     If the child is mature enough, their views on the arrangements will be considered, according to legal resources.
     
  5. • Imprisonment does not automatically terminate parental rights:
       The court will still assess the situation to determine the best outcome for the child.
     • Even with a court order, the incarcerated parent may still have some rights:
       This may include the right to communicate with the child, depending on the specific circumstances and court orders.
     • Supervised visits or limited time with the child may be considered:
       If it is deemed necessary to protect the child's safety, the court may order supervised visits or restrict the incarcerated parent's time with the child, according to a legal blog.

Is that American information?

 

[Ellery84]

I struggle to see how any type of meaningful therapy would help these poor children.

Their mother planned, calculated & carried out murdering their grandparents & aunt & allegedly tried numerous times to also murder their father. She has shown no remorse. Even threw the children under the bus when on the stand.

How in the hell do these children get thru this?? I hope she has NO contact with them & by some miracle they can begin to heal, how I have no clue. I also hope that Ali also has no contact with them.

There is therapy for CPTSD, adjustment disorders, anxiety, etc. which can all be the result of significant childhood trauma.

IMO

 

[Monstradamus]

Is that American information?

Australian

 

[Tortoise]

I don’t think they could have successfully prosecuted the case to lead a jury to a guilty verdict. IMO

Well I disagree.

That number of near-fatal failures of his digestive organs, only after eating food prepared by his ex, at which she suffered no ill effects, children not present on each occasion, no positive results in the testing they did for the usual kind of food contaminants, is not coincidental, IMO. Then add in a lunch at which death caps were served. It would be guilty all day every day for me, as a juror.

 

[Tweet57]

Like all of us, we have followed this case and have read a lot of information about it. It has been very harrowing and confronting to say the least.
Two conversations will always stay with me.
Gail asking repeatedly..Why? Why?
and Heather saying to the Doctor, “ Thank you for looking after me”

Bless these beautiful ladies. You both deserved better. RIP

 

[Detechtive]

I struggle to see how any type of meaningful therapy would help these poor children.

Their mother planned, calculated & carried out murdering their grandparents & aunt & allegedly tried numerous times to also murder their father. She has shown no remorse. Even threw the children under the bus when on the stand.

How in the hell do these children get thru this?? I hope she has NO contact with them & by some miracle they can begin to heal, how I have no clue. I also hope that Ali also has no contact with them.

I agree. Sure therapy might help somewhat, but there’s only so much it can do. At the end of the day it will massively mess them up regardless, IMO

 

[Ellery84]

Gail asking repeatedly..Why? Why?
and Heather saying to the Doctor, “ Thank you for looking after me”

We all want to know “why” and we never got that answer as Erin continued to lie all the way through her lengthy trial.

It’s so heinous what happened to those beautiful ladies who, rightly so, couldn’t image what they had done to deserve such a devastating and completely senseless and unnecessary ending to their lives.

IMO

Rest in peace, Gail, Donald and Heather.

 

[Penny68]

And the thought that neither Gail, Donald or Heather would have even crossed their minds that the horrible symptoms they were suffering would eventually cause their deaths, all down to evil Erin.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

BBM
You have to try though, right? They can't be left to process this all on their own, or even with those close to them - who aren't trained or skilled in these matters. You have to do everything in your power to give them the best shot at processing this. It may help, it may not, but not trying therapy is not an option IMHO.

 

[MrJ]

And above all, for your mother to essentially call both you and your sibling liars and mistaken in your evidence to the police, which no doubt may have been difficult to do in and of itself, would be terrible mentally at the very least.

 

[Tweet57]

And the thought that neither Gail, Donald or Heather would have even crossed their minds that the horrible symptoms they were suffering would eventually cause their deaths, all down to evil Erin.

I wonder if Gail was possibly told it was maybe Erin’s ‘work’. I think Don would’ve had his suspicions after his chats with Simon. Perhaps it was better they didn’t know.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I agree. Sure therapy might help somewhat, but there’s only so much it can do. At the end of the day it will massively mess them up regardless, IMO

Yes, this will sadly impact them for the rest of their lives. Therapy could help, along with the love and support of Simon and what family he has left. Erin Patterson killed 3 innocent people and destroyed many more lives as well.

 

[Tweet57]

And above all, for your mother to essentially call both you and your sibling liars and mistaken in your evidence to the police, which no doubt may have been difficult to do in and of itself, would be terrible mentally at the very least.

Shocking. She should be absolutely ashamed of herself.

 

[Detechtive]

And above all, for your mother to essentially call both you and your sibling liars and mistaken in your evidence to the police, which no doubt may have been difficult to do in and of itself, would be terrible mentally at the very least.

They’ll probably blame themselves forever
And or feel confused about the way they’ve been gaslight by her saying the testimonies were wrong.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Shocking. She should be absolutely ashamed of herself.

I think her children, certainly the oldest, would have guessed right then and there that she was guilty...