GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[Deleted member 363451]

That’s not how the law works in Victoria, being incarcerated does not effectively remove your asset rights.

They were legally separated, Simon confirmed this in his tax filing.

Yes he is entitled to his share in any assets in his name. I believe this includes the Leongatha property which is unfortunately under caveat - a statutory conjunction. After the debtors receive their share, I’m afraid there won’t be much left.

There is a process to follow when splitting assets, this process does not change following separation. Erin and Simon will need to agree on how any remaining properties are split, or they will go to court.

I meant if EP died. In that case he would be entitled. I know of an exact case where this happened.

 

[packetgravy]

Do you believe EP tampered with the leftovers, @packetgravy?

I have no idea! The half eaten portion contained death caps, I’d assume if she didn’t want it found she wouldn’t have directed the police to it?

Can you elaborate as to what you believe she may have done with the leftovers and why?

 

[Monstradamus]

BBM
100%! This really sums it all up, in one neat sentence.



Do we know what age her son was at the time? I'm guessing 13-14? Was the daughter home too? I know she is younger again. Show of hands amongst the parents please - if you're the only adult in the house, would you just up and leave, drive away for what has to be at least 20 minutes, and not even tell your children you're leaving? Especially if you live in a rural area and may not have neighbours close by? I know I'm probably more protective than most, but I can't fathom it. Even now my kids are adults we always let the whole family know when we're leaving, and at least one person knows a rough time we'll be home, as a sign of respect, for planning purposes or to know when to be concerned if that person hasn't returned. We also live in the country so it's not like we've just popped next door or something if we can't be found.

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My children are slightly older than EP's, and I would never go out without telling them.

 

[packetgravy]

I meant if EP died. In that case he would be entitled. I know of an exact case where this happened.

Ah yes, survivor ownership. There are a couple of factors, this would depend on what the deceased will specified and/or any settlement agreements made between the couple. It’s complicated.

 

[packetgravy]

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My children are slightly older than EP's, and I would never go out without telling them.

The daughter wasn’t home, the boy was with a friend in his room.

*not implying that this makes the situation ok of course.

 

[Monstradamus]

I have no idea! The half eaten portion contained death caps, I’d assume if she didn’t want it found she wouldn’t have directed the police to it?

Can you elaborate as to what you believe she may have done with the leftovers and why?

I believe EP was very busy tampering with the leftovers evidence after she initially left the hospital to "pack her daughter's ballet bag". Removed the meat to retrofit her story of feeding that to her children for dinner.
It's the ONLY time she had been helpful to health authorities/investigators. They found only what she wanted them to find.
MOO

As posted above, I believe EP tampered with the leftovers and appeared to be helpful only because it suited her narrative. She had just found out that the hospital was very quickly onto poisoning by DCs, and panic had set in.
When she was released from hospital Tues afternoon, at her first opportunity (after the children went to school Wed morning) she dumped the dehydrator.

 

[Detechtive]

That’s not how the law works in Victoria, being incarcerated does not effectively remove your asset rights.

They were legally separated, Simon confirmed this in his tax filing.

Yes he is entitled to his share in any assets in his name. I believe this includes the Leongatha property which is unfortunately under caveat - a statutory conjunction. After the debtors receive their share, I’m afraid there won’t be much left.

There is a process to follow when splitting assets, this process does not change following separation. Erin and Simon will need to agree on how any remaining properties are split, or they will go to court.

I’m sorry but all of your information is wrong.

Settlement can occur privately at any given time, however for purposes of property settlement through the courts that occurs with assets at the time of the property settlement hearing - and so any post separation assets are still considered joint until that occurs or a new private arrangement is made.

Simon does have custody of his children, Ian wasn’t his target, he is highly religious and the results from the samples were mixed because of the mixed nature of the leftovers.

Not sure what your agenda is but it appears it’s to invite blame or speculation on Simon and suggest that Erin didn’t try to poison him which is quite cruel given he’s been orphaned and had his life ruined from a mass murder. IMO

 

[packetgravy]

As posted above, I believe EP tampered with the leftovers and appeared to be helpful only because it suited her narrative. She had just found out that the hospital was very quickly onto poisoning by DCs, and panic had set in.
When she was released from hospital Tues afternoon, at her first opportunity (after the children went to school Wed morning) she dumped the dehydrator.

Can you explain further though? I’m trying to understand how the half portion containing dcs would help her case?

 

[Ellery84]

Not sure what your agenda is but it appears it’s to invite blame or speculation on Simon and suggest that Erin didn’t try to poison him which is quite cruel given he’s been orphaned and had his life ruined from a mass murder. IMO

Oh I’m glad it’s not just me that was thinking that.

 

[Detechtive]

BBM
100%! This really sums it all up, in one neat sentence.



Do we know what age her son was at the time? I'm guessing 13-14? Was the daughter home too? I know she is younger again. Show of hands amongst the parents please - if you're the only adult in the house, would you just up and leave, drive away for what has to be at least 20 minutes, and not even tell your children you're leaving? Especially if you live in a rural area and may not have neighbours close by? I know I'm probably more protective than most, but I can't fathom it. Even now my kids are adults we always let the whole family know when we're leaving, and at least one person knows a rough time we'll be home, as a sign of respect, for planning purposes or to know when to be concerned if that person hasn't returned. We also live in the country so it's not like we've just popped next door or something if we can't be found.

The son was 14/15, and yes I would leave the house when they’re that age but not without telling them.

 

[Ellery84]

BBM
100%! This really sums it all up, in one neat sentence.

Thanks; I appreciate the feedback.

 

[Ellery84]

So theoretically, let’s say Erin has 3 friends; Ali Rose and two more. Prisoners have telephone access.

Imagine one of those friends rang her in the prison and Erin told them to set up a new WS account and what to post.

They wrote down her script or her words and posted to WS.

And maybe they thought of a fancy name that was ironic and tied to the Wellington lunch, such as packet gravy.

Is that a possibility?

 

[Detechtive]

So theoretically, let’s say Erin has 3 friends; Ali Rose and two more. Prisoners have telephone access.

Imagine one of those friends rang her in the prison and Erin told them to set up a new WS account and what to post.

They wrote down her script or her words and posted to WS.

And maybe they thought of a fancy name that was ironic and tied to the Wellington lunch, such as packet gravy.

Is that a possibility?

That would be very foolish.
Corrections can take disciplinary action against prisoners if they are found directing such activity including loss of privileges or new charges.

IMO

 

[HoneyBunOne]

The daughter wasn’t home, the boy was with a friend in his room.

*not implying that this makes the situation ok of course.

Thanks for clarifying that.
To me, that's worse again. When my kids were underage and had friends over, I felt a great responsibility to them. I'd check if they had allergies before serving food and would make sure they're comfortable, happy and SAFE. It seems Erin took it upon herself to bail on her duty to supervise and care for the friend. Again, not sure if I'm over protective or not, but I would never leave another person's child alone, without an adult present. In actual fact, I'd be the adult as I was the one to take on the responsibility. Maybe my standards are too high, but then again I safely navigated my kids to adulthood without any major incidents, so it was entirely worth it.

 

[packetgravy]

I’m sorry but all of your information is wrong.

Settlement can occur privately at any given time, however for purposes of property settlement through the courts that occurs with assets at the time of the property settlement hearing - and so any post separation assets are still considered joint until that occurs or a new private arrangement is made.

Simon does have custody of his children, Ian wasn’t his target, he is highly religious and the results from the samples were mixed because of the mixed nature of the leftovers.

Not sure what your agenda is but it appears it’s to invite blame or speculation on Simon and suggest that Erin didn’t try to poison him which is quite cruel given he’s been orphaned and had his life ruined from a mass murder.

As I said above, there is a process to follow. I did not at any stage say the property in Simons name is no longer shared post separation.

There is however a caveat on one of the properties:

Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson barred from selling Leongatha home

Convicted triple-murderer Erin Patterson has been barred from selling the home in which she served her relatives a deadly beef Wellington meal so it may be used in future compensation claims by her victims or their families.

www.abc.net.au

They will need to agree on how any remaining shared assets or property is split, I did not say there was a time limit. If the property split cannot be agreed this will then need to be determined by Court.

Arbitration or by proceeding to Judicial determination are possibilities. - Jenni Moonie, Princple Solicitor in Family Law.

How Are Assets Split In Australia | Learn More

In Australia there is no concept of “community property” or equal division of assets as a starting point. Learn mroe about the process in Australia.

www.carewcounsel.com.au

I did theorise on the murders motive for the attempted murder of Ian. I felt it was more personal than simply “collateral damage.” (The murderer being Erin, I’m unsure how you thought I meant anyone else?)

I did NOT say Simon wasn’t poisoned, I said the charges were dropped. Which they were.

Dropped Erin Patterson poisoning charges were 'dubious', judge says

A Victorian judge says prosecutors were seeking to use "dubious" arguments to convict Erin Patterson of poisoning her husband before the Crown abandoned its case.

www.abc.net.au

I shared the toxicology results for the two remaining beef Wellingtons. If both portions contained dcs, this was not represented in the results.

 

[Detechtive]

Yes it’s a lot! There are other houses left to compensate the victims and pay child support thankfully.

Also, because the charges for the attempted murders of Simon were dropped, he will no longer legally be a “victim” and entitled to much/if any compensation

He must be reeling since hes been forced into early retirement with his injuries

There are no other houses. Erin sold the Glen Waverley property and used the proceeds to fund her legal defence. The Leongatha house remains mortgaged to the Legal team - the exact amount is unclear - but whatever equity exists will likely be consumed by legal fees. She has burned through an estimated $1.5 to $2 million, money that could have secured her children’s future. Instead, she spent it all defending herself - fully aware of her guilt. It is a staggering act of selfishness and moral vacancy.

The only other home is Simon Patterson’s.

And I hope he finds great financial success in telling his story - whether through a book, a podcast, or whatever medium he chooses, because those children will need someone capable of rebuilding a life for them. They have been shattered by the actions of their narcissistic, remorseless, mass-murdering mother.

As for Simon, the word "survivor" doesn’t even begin to cover it. He has been irreversibly maimed by Erin’s violence. He endured three laparotomies - each one a brutal surgical incision from breastbone to groin. 1.7 metres of his bowel was removed. These were not accidents. These were intentional, calculated acts of cruelty. It’s a case of pathological sadism, and the most extreme form of domestic violence.

He deserves not only justice, but compensation. For the family she destroyed. For the body she tried to kill. For the life he now has to live, scarred, physically and emotionally, by her absolute depravity.
And he is still entitled to it - again, your information is wrong. There does not need to be a finding of guilt, a conviction, or anything of the sort to get victims of crime compensation in Australia.

Primary victims​

You are a primary victim if:​

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• the crime was committed against you, or
• you are a child who saw, heard or were exposed to the crime, or
• you were injured trying to:
  • rescue another victim
  • stop a violent crime
  • arrest someone who committed a violent crime.

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Related victims​

You are a related victim if:​

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• you are a close family member of a loved one who passed away because of a violent crime, or
• you are a dependant of a loved one who passed away because of a violent crime, or
• you were in an intimate personal relationship with a loved one who passed away because of a violent crime.

Financial assistance for related victims

Can I apply for financial assistance?

Eligibility requirements for the Financial Assistance Scheme (FAS).

www.victimsofcrime.vic.gov.au

 

[packetgravy]

So theoretically, let’s say Erin has 3 friends; Ali Rose and two more. Prisoners have telephone access.

Imagine one of those friends rang her in the prison and Erin told them to set up a new WS account and what to post.

They wrote down her script or her words and posted to WS.

And maybe they thought of a fancy name that was ironic and tied to the Wellington lunch, such as packet gravy.

Is that a possibility?

Thats quite a theory

Thanks for saying my username is fancy and ironic though, I felt pretty clever when i came up with it.

 

[Monstradamus]

So theoretically, let’s say Erin has 3 friends; Ali Rose and two more. Prisoners have telephone access.

Imagine one of those friends rang her in the prison and Erin told them to set up a new WS account and what to post.

They wrote down her script or her words and posted to WS.

And maybe they thought of a fancy name that was ironic and tied to the Wellington lunch, such as packet gravy.

Is that a possibility?

And at least one (disturbed, morally repugnant and vile) self proclaimed penpal.
JMO

 

[Detechtive]

And at least one (disturbed, morally repugnant and vile) self proclaimed penpal.
JMO

Sounds like a perfect match for her. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Adrian Martinez-Villalobos searched outdoor bins at the Patterson home and found “about 1½ beef Wellingtons” inside “a brown paper Woolworths bag”.

The two Wellingtons were later separated onto two trays as below, samples were taken from both portions. The mushrooms were blitzed into powder, no traces were found from the Wellington on the left.

I’m simply sharing the results.

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I don't know where you are quoting this information from as a link has not been provided in your post.

Your posted pics show two trays. The leftovers were divided into 4 trays. Sample EX X1 Z13 (which is not shown in your linked pics) tested positive for Death Cap toxin.



Here, marked with the words biological hazard, the bags were photographed and emptied, again, onto four 12-centimetre-wide trays, picked apart and placed into nine clear vials with white lids.

Inside the forensic journey to unmask a deadly mushroom meal

Plucked from Erin Patterson’s outdoor bin, the leftover eye fillet coated in mushroom and encased in pastry has been examined across Melbourne in the lead-up to her triple murder trial.

www.theage.com.au

The mushroom paste was contained in a vial about 2cm wide and 5cm high, with the exhibit name EX X1 Z13.
The paste was taken from inside a beef wellington, which in turn was taken from inside a paper bag found in a wheelie bin outside Erin Patterson’s home.
Unlike other forensic samples of paste taken from the same location, this one contained traces of an amatoxin found in death cap mushrooms.

Mushroom lunch leftovers examined and a juror removed: how week three of the Erin Patterson murder trial unfolded

Australian jury asked to consider if murder accused was pretending to be sick after lunch that killed three in-laws

www.theguardian.com