GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she is definitely socially anomalous, and she told me she had Aspergers / High Functioning Autism, and I could kind of see it, but, as you probably know with your daughter, most Aspies/HFA are honest to a fault, blunt in ways that oftentimes has dire social consequences and causes great distress to the ASPIE/ASD individual, in addition to being quite bad at being manipulative due to not fully understanding social cues, and or, having a moral disdain for manipulation.

Conversely, Erin was definitely brash, blunt at times, and socially inappropriate, but not in the way Autistic or Aspergers people are, in my opinion. Highly manipulative, also. One of the quotes from an Air Traffic Controller colleague said she "managed to wrap men around her little finger" - I don't think I've ever heard that said of anyone with Autism. All of her traits fit ASPD instead, in my (non psychologist/psychiatrist) opinion.

She may have been incorrectly diagnosed, or she may have been making excuses for her unsocial behaviour.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I would like to clarify this - she sent that message to a family member of mine.

Candace Sutton did NOT have our permission to publish this, and as usual, her terrible reporting has taken this completely out of context.

She actually said in the message (attached) - A WHOLE YEAR AFTER her mother died, (Mother died in January 2019, the message was sent in Feb 2020) that she found a drug stash including valium and a bottle of Morphine! So, she claimed to be "going through" her mothers things a year later (i don't believe this - will expand at a later date).

The reason she said this, was because my family member was struggling with migraines and anxiety and was talking about needing valium. Erin did this with this family member to "connect" and "relate", she lied to this family member about many things in order to groom the family member.

At the time her mother was prescribed Valium, she was in palliative care. It was NOT for alcohol withdrawal or alcoholism or anything of the sort. Her mother was at end of life.

Watermarked because of the dodgy journalists who keep publishing our private conversations without permission.

If and I mean if her mother had Morphine in her possession, then she must have been in a lot of pain. Doctors will not hand this out willy nilly.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Ok, I hear what you are saying. Ive gone back to have another look at the evidence.

I wonder if Ian was referring to one of the plates below and Heather may have described the plate on the right, with coloured scribbles all over it.


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Whatever, she obviously had a different plate to the ones that her guests had...

 

[Detechtive]

The plates are in landfill, IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

The plates are in landfill, IMO

I agree and I don't have a link for that.

 

[Susjay]

She may have been incorrectly diagnosed, or she may have been making excuses for her unsocial behaviour.

Or self-diagnosed to use the label to explain her behaviour for sure.

 

[Detechtive]

Or self-diagnosed to use the label to explain her behaviour for sure.

She told me she had been officially diagnosed, but I don't know if it's true. I would have thought that it would have been raised by the defence if it was true.

And she said Aspergers so I gather that was a long time ago, as I don't think that's diagnosed anymore?

P.S the behaviours you described sound like most teens, also! Especially the tantrum part! She definitely did that.

 

[Susjay]

She told me she had been officially diagnosed, but I don't know if it's true. I would have thought that it would have been raised by the defence if it was true.

And she said Aspergers so I gather that was a long time ago, as I don't think that's diagnosed anymore?

P.S the behaviours you described sound like most teens, also! Especially the tantrum part! She definitely did that.

She doesn’t have a great history of speaking the truth does she?

 

[Detechtive]

She doesn’t have a great history of speaking the truth does she?

That's a very kind way of putting it!

 

[Detechtive]

@packetgravy

Doctors in Australia don't have a blanket legal duty to report suspected poisoning to police unless certain conditions apply. Their first duty is to the patient: treat the medical emergency, document evidence, and act in the patient’s best interests.
If it is a child, or poison-related death, or someone is at immediate harm (which, arguably Simon wasn't because he wasn no longer partaking in her food), they have to report, but it appears the doctor did the right thing in encouraging Simon to document his concerns as a first port of call.

I mean, I would have liked to see Simon taken a bit more seriously in the legal sense, but we don't know whether Simon was documenting this and needed to keep it on the down low for custody reasons, etc. Strategically speaking, it seemed like a better idea to observe this without confronting her at the time, IMO.

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[drsleuth]

@packetgravy

Doctors in Australia don't have a blanket legal duty to report suspected poisoning to police unless certain conditions apply. Their first duty is to the patient: treat the medical emergency, document evidence, and act in the patient’s best interests.
If it is a child, or poison-related death, or someone is at immediate harm (which, arguably Simon wasn't because he wasn no longer partaking in her food), they have to report, but it appears the doctor did the right thing in encouraging Simon to document his concerns as a first port of call.

I mean, I would have liked to see Simon taken a bit more seriously in the legal sense, but we don't know whether Simon was documenting this and needed to keep it on the down low for custody reasons, etc. Strategically speaking, it seemed like a better idea to observe this without confronting her at the time, IMO.

Mandatory notification by a treating doctor - Avant

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avant.org.au

Exactly!

 

[Detechtive]

Exactly!

He only told the doctor in Feb 2023, I believe. It was a rather short time-frame from then until the June lunch invite. Also, Simon was incredibly ill, so I imagine it was a lot for him to take on. Having had a laparotomy myself in the past year, I can personally attest that it's a complicated, painful, heinous surgery with significant post-surgical complications and risk, and rehabilitation and infection and fluid, and on and on. Not to mention the disfigurement! He had 3 laparotomies in the space of weeks, plus ICU admittance and muscle wastage for goodness sakes. Poor man. 1.7m of bowel lost. Just horrific.

I don't think he would have been in the right health to launch a full scale investigation or start legal action, etc. IMO

 

[drsleuth]

He only told the doctor in Feb 2023, I believe. It was a rather short time-frame from then until the June lunch invite. Also, Simon was incredibly ill, so I imagine it was a lot for him to take on. Having had a laparotomy myself in the past year, I can personally attest that it's a complicated, painful, heinous surgery with significant post-surgical complications and risk, and rehabilitation and infection and fluid, and on and on. Not to mention the disfigurement! He had 3 laparotomies in the space of weeks, plus ICU admittance and muscle wastage for goodness sakes. Poor man. 1.7m of bowel lost. Just horrific.

I don't think he would have been in the right health to launch a full scale investigation or start legal action, etc. IMO

I agree, he has been thru so so so much. And to add that Erin was probably alienating him to her kids IMO

I wish him nothing but the best.

He told his GP, who advised him to start documenting, which was the correct thing for his GP to do. Get a papertrail etc

You can't rock up to the cops with " I think my ex wife is poisoning me " without some evidence ( & the medical staff found no evidence to conclusively point to poisoning as the cause of all Simon's illnesses )

This was far from black & white, so to speak.

 

[Goosewhisperer]

She told me she had been officially diagnosed, but I don't know if it's true. I would have thought that it would have been raised by the defence if it was true.

And she said Aspergers so I gather that was a long time ago, as I don't think that's diagnosed anymore?

P.S the behaviours you described sound like most teens, also! Especially the tantrum part! She definitely did that.

DSM5 was 2013.
Until then, Asperger’s was on the schedule.

 

[Two SCents]

I agree, he has been thru so so so much. And to add that Erin was probably alienating him to her kids IMO

I wish him nothing but the best.

He told his GP, who advised him to start documenting, which was the correct thing for his GP to do. Get a papertrail etc

You can't rock up to the cops with " I think my ex wife is poisoning me " without some evidence ( & the medical staff found no evidence to conclusively point to poisoning as the cause of all Simon's illnesses )

This was far from black & white, so to speak.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

He needed evidence to put on his spreadsheet to be able to take it further but, was too afraid to accept any food she prepared for him.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She told me she had been officially diagnosed, but I don't know if it's true. I would have thought that it would have been raised by the defence if it was true.

And she said Aspergers so I gather that was a long time ago, as I don't think that's diagnosed anymore?

P.S the behaviours you described sound like most teens, also! Especially the tantrum part! She definitely did that.

I think Colin might have definitely used that in her defence if it were true. I have a friend with Aspergers and apart from the usual symptoms like having to live by a routine, lack of empathy, sensory sensitivities, strong and particular interests, the thing that is most obvious is his meltdowns. He seems to have actually become worse with age. His meltdowns over small things is just frightening. I've made a decision that I'm never going to go as a passenger in his car again...

 

[Monstradamus]

Ok, I hear what you are saying. Ive gone back to have another look at the evidence.

I wonder if Ian was referring to one of the plates below and Heather may have described the plate on the right, with coloured scribbles all over it.


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Doesn't look orangey/tan to me.

 

[Goosewhisperer]

I think Colin might have definitely used that in her defence if it were true. I have a friend with Aspergers and apart from the usual symptoms like having to live by a routine, lack of empathy, sensory sensitivities, strong and particular interests, the thing that is most obvious is his meltdowns. He seems to have actually become worse with age. His meltdowns over small things is just frightening. I've made a decision that I'm never going to go as a passenger in his car again...

There is a saying “if you have met 1 person with autism, you have met 1 person with autism.”
There really are no “usual symptoms “
There are common traits but it’s very diverse!

 

[Marg944]

The Koonwarra tip doesn’t accept food waste. Erin wouldn’t be able to dispose of kitchen trash.

It looks like the tip does in fact accept food waste, which would come under “general waste” (domestic garbage). IMO

The evidence that wasn't presented to the jury in Erin Patterson's trial

The months-long murder trial of Erin Patterson was filled with revelations, but several pieces of evidence and information were left out of the legal debate.

www.abc.net.au

Waste Disposal Facilities (Tips) - Koonwarra | South Gippsland Shire Council

Information on tip times and locations, Koonwarra landfill and more.

www.southgippsland.vic.gov.au

 

[Eloise]

There is a saying “if you have met 1 person with autism, you have met 1 person with autism.”
There really are no “usual symptoms “
There are common traits but it’s very diverse!

True that.
The only diagnostic criteria are social communication/interaction deficits and restricted/repetitive behaviours/interests/activities.

Anything else isn't necessarily autism - but could be one of the things often comorbid with autism - such as anxiety, OCD, ADHD, cognitive deficits, cPTSD etc. And that's a highly individual mix. Many people with ASD have none of those things

also if she is on the spectrum, I don't think it's what caused her to do what she did. The fact she's a bad, selfish, evil person is why - and that's not a neurotypical or neurodivergent trait, its a human one - sadly.