GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

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Simon was so sick - like I mentioned in a previous post, I had ONE laporotomy in the last year and it completely took over my entire existence - and I am *still recovering* - I can hardly walk upright, still.
He had 3, with complex organ damage, not to mention the mental health trauma of being in ICU, facing death, being dependant on people, not being able to work, etc. He would have been on opiates which mess up your mental health, sleep patterns, etc, had post-surgical complications (a near given). He would be "out of it", honestly, it is rough! A friend of mine had an emergency Laparotomy like mine, and she - 3 years on, is still recuperating.

I think if he was in his right mind he probably would have advocated for himself better, but he was still incredibly sick and I would even think he has serious long-term medical repercussions (eg: ileostomy or colostomy bag) etc.

IMO only.

This is exactly why there are provisions for mandatory reporting from health practitioners in Australia. If Simon was too sick to advocate for himself for the months following, then his Dr should have advocated for him. IMO
 
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Yes, they were at risk. From contaminated surfaces, cooking utensils, cutlery, etc. Perhaps an ill-hidden Tupperware container of toxic DC mushroom powder. A few minute DC fragments swirling around in the dishwasher. Accidentally left there by their own murderous mother.

But each time she allegedly poisoned Simon, the children were not there. Nor were they there for her "special" lunch.

She made sure there was distance between the two she loved the most, and her despicable actions. She didn't appear to have any qualms about hurting their father, or his family.

It's a bit like packet gravy. It's convenient, but often comes with downsides, imo.

Packet gravy - I have actually come to use them sometimes because they aren't too bad and I have been unwell, so I give myself some leeway with using the lazy version of gravy, but, when it's not actually packet gravy but rather Gravox - the gritty cousin - it is not palatable at all, IMO
 
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I agree that it shouldn't be used as any sort of excuse, but I wouldn't be surprised if Colin had have used it if she really was diagnosed with it.
Colin would have clutched at any draw available I guess. A lot of previous history brought up made me want to also
 
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Simon was so sick - like I mentioned in a previous post, I had ONE laporotomy in the last year and it completely took over my entire existence - and I am *still recovering* - I can hardly walk upright, still.
He had 3, with complex organ damage, not to mention the mental health trauma of being in ICU, facing death, being dependant on people, not being able to work, etc. He would have been on opiates which mess up your mental health, sleep patterns, etc, had post-surgical complications (a near given). He would be "out of it", honestly, it is rough! A friend of mine had an emergency Laparotomy like mine and Simons (sans poison) and she - 3 years on, is still recuperating.

I think if he was in his right mind he probably would have advocated for himself better, but he was still incredibly sick and I would even think he has serious long-term medical repercussions (eg: ileostomy or colostomy bag) etc.

IMO only.

Edit: And this is why I also find her disgusting attitude towards Simon wanting a phone charger and not helping out with the kids, and being be "too much of a burden" and kicking him out insufferable. She is truly a vile human (using that term loosely).

The violence on his body from her attempted murders of him would be obscene. Forever maimed, in pain, probably on nutritional supplements for life after having nearly 2m of bowel removed, etc etc etc. In ways, worse than death, I would imagine.

He deserves criminal compensation awards for his suffering at EP's hands, I'm sure we all agree.

Also, horrible to say this but I'm sure his life will likely be shortened by these dramatic ailments and surgeries as at the very least nutrients don't absorb from the gut in the same way, medications put strain on the liver and kidney, the suffering and pain are detrimental... all of it... :(

JMO MOO
 
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He deserves criminal compensation awards for his suffering at EP's hands, I'm sure we all agree.

Also, horrible to say this but I'm sure his life will likely be shortened by these dramatic ailments and surgeries as at the very least nutrients don't absorb from the gut in the same way, medications put strain on the liver and kidney, the suffering and pain are detrimental... all of it... :(

JMO MOO
I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO
 
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I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO

It's heartbreaking. I wonder if some kind of testing could reveal anything? Hair strand testing if he had long hair could have been a thing but maybe bone sample analysis or something?
 
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I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO

Yet the leftovers remained.
You do remember that Erin Patterson was found guilty, don't you?
 
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It's heartbreaking. I wonder if some kind of testing could reveal anything? Hair strand testing if he had long hair could have been a thing but maybe bone sample analysis or something?
I'm not sure - I know in my state (not VIC) that histology from those surgeries are kept for 10 years or so.

However, from what I have gathered of Erins poison methods, most of the things she has chosen to poison people with (natural plants, except for the rat poison) exit the blood stream/body quickly, unlike, say, Arsenic or ricin. Also, there is the issue that Simon is bald....
 
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I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO
 

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And that's just the beginning, Jess. There are so many post operative complications - for example I had a machine on my body for months to pump out fluid from a cavity from the surgery. And my surgery was nothing even close to what Simon endured. I also had to visit post-operative wound clinics each day for dressing the wounds, which was extremely painful (couldn't drive, going over potholes etc was extremely painful).

Your muscles are cut so you have zero core strength and you get muscle wastage.

There's post-operative adhesions (where thick fibrous bands restrict your movement) and your organs stick together requiring more post operative surgeries. He probably couldn't even roll out of bed without extreme pain, for months, if not, still - same goes for showering, toileting, etc. He probably needed mobility assistance - for example Walkers, belly bands (thick velcro) around your mid section. Then there is lack of being able to even stand up and cook healthy meals - then there's scar complications, infections, he probably couldn't bend over for many many months because of pain and scar tissue... it's horrendous. IMO
 
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And that's just the beginning, Jess. There are so many post operative complications - for example I had a machine on my body for months to pump out fluid from a cavity from the surgery. And my surgery was nothing even close to what Simon endured. I also had to visit post-operative wound clinics each day for dressing the wounds, which was extremely painful (couldn't drive, going over potholes etc was extremely painful).

Your muscles are cut so you have zero core strength and you get muscle wastage.

There's post-operative adhesions (where thick fibrous bands restrict your movement) and your organs stick together requiring more post operative surgeries. He probably couldn't even roll out of bed without extreme pain, for months, if not, still - same goes for showering, toileting, etc. He probably needed mobility assistance - for example Walkers, belly bands (thick velcro) around your mid section. Then there is lack of being able to even stand up and cook healthy meals - then there's scar complications, infections, he probably couldn't bend over for many many months because of pain and scar tissue... it's horrendous. IMO
That's awful. I'm so sorry for what you have been through and it's terrible for Simon.
 
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That's awful. I'm so sorry for what you have been through and it's terrible for Simon.
What Simon went through is beyond comprehension, to me. I can't emphasise that enough.
He was seriously, violently harmed by her, and it's outrageous. IMO
 
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His investigation is trying to contact everyone who knew her to write about it, including myself, because the media reporting on her case is over saturated. I don't know why these people are writing books. IMO
I've seen him talking about the case on Tik Tok. I didn't realise that he was an ex cop.
 
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I was just reading about hair testing - and it seems that suspicion of being poisoned is a lot more common than I thought.

A company in Germany spells out how they can test your hair for “accidental” or “intentional” poisoning.


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Regarding the colorful / tan plate, I could see Erin not disposing of that one because it wasnt contaminated. So whether she disposed of it or not either way could be explained so I dont think it really matters at all.
 
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