GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[Kemug]

In an alternative universe, perhaps Mr Mandy believed/s that Erin is as guilty as sin. Perhaps he tried very hard to talk her into not testifying, knowing full well that would just make her more determined to. And thus "dig her own grave".

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I am yet to form a solid theory for the events following the lunch. Based on the available evidence and imo:

•Erin had no intention of hiding the leftovers
•Erin did not dispose of the plates
•The leftovers contained two parcels, one parcel did not contain toxins. We will call this “Parcel A”
•Imo the steak was removed from Parcel A and fed to her children
•Imo Parcel A was originally meant for Simon

I am unable to source a toxicology report containing the results for a meat sample from Parcel A. If anyone has this information I would appreciate it.

One hole I’m finding challenging is motive. I’ve played with the idea Simon had perhaps found a new love interest (or Erin at least believed he had) but surely this would have been confirmed or denied at this stage.





Catch me out for what?

I can see how it would appear I am picking holes. Occasionally speculation doesn’t track when I examine the evidence/the legal documents and I mostly reference these.



An incredible oversight, so much so I simply don’t believe the leftovers were a “plant.”

So are you basically saying that you don't believe that Erin Patterson was going to poison Simon?

 

[Susjay]

In an alternative universe, perhaps Mr Mandy believed/s that Erin is as guilty as sin. Perhaps he tried very hard to talk her into not testifying, knowing full well that would just make her more determined to. And thus "dig her own grave".

Or muddy her own gravy - soz couldn’t resist.

 

[packetgravy]

The price for the entire trial is distasteful to me, not just for the Defence, but to the taxpayer.

She had the best lawyer money can buy, but it made no difference to the outcome.

I don’t see an issue with taxes funding the imprisonment of murderers.

 

[Susjay]

I don’t see an issue with taxes funding the imprisonment of murderers.

Don’t think the cost of incarcerating murderers was questioned.

 

[packetgravy]

So are you basically saying that you don't believe that Erin Patterson was going to poison Simon?

Yes. Hence no charges.

 

[packetgravy]

Don’t think the cost of incarcerating murderers was questioned.

So just the trial that gets them there?

 

[dothetime]

I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO

I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO

Perhaps she was using a non organic substance such as finely crushed glass over a long period.

 

[packetgravy]

I was only talking to my friends (who knew Erin too) about this tonight. Losing so much bowel he would have probably experienced some nutritional deficiencies and for life he is altered.

At the time when Simon was in the ICU, I knew about it but I didn't quite understand just how sick he was until reading the pre-trial evidence the other day.

I also have screenshots of conversations with Erin from 2019 saying that Simon had prior exploratory procedures in his bowel which showed no illness. I didn't realise at the time how pertinent those were, but in hindsight, Simons testing never showed anything serious, but he must have been experiencing some serious bowel issues prior in order to have them, IMO. From personal experience, they don't do those procedures in someone as young as Simon if there aren't serious issues.

I think she was poisoning Simon for years - before 2019. IMO

Hold up.

Simon was experiencing gastrointestinal issues and had tests done as far back as 2019 (or even further) and this wasn’t raised as possible pre-existing conditions?

I wonder what exactly those tests were and what prompted them.

From the way the charges read, the illnesses were acute.

Imo

 

[Monstradamus]

I don’t see an issue with taxes funding the imprisonment of murderers.

Me either.

 

[Ellery84]

So just the trial that gets them there?

It’s distasteful because she’s wasted the kids’ inheritance on a fancy trial that’s gotten her nowhere, I’m guessing.
IMO

She could have paid for their university studies, but no… that’s not going to happen.

 

[Ellery84]

Perhaps she was using a non organic substance such as finely crushed glass over a long period.

Omg that’s awful.

 

[Detechtive]

Hold up.

Simon was experiencing gastrointestinal issues and had tests done as far back as 2019 (or even further) and this wasn’t raised as possible pre-existing conditions?

I wonder what exactly those tests were and what prompted them.

From the way the charges read, the illnesses were acute.

Imo

No I’m saying the opposite. Simon had acute bowel issues but colonoscopies showed no bowel disease. Ergo, it’s more likely it was poison and food tampering because he didn’t have bowel disease upon medical testing.

In more lay terms, there’s been no explanation for Simon’s bowel issues over the years except that his wife is a convicted food poisoner and he gets sick after eating her food.

 

[dothetime]

Omg that’s awful.

I recall reading about a young member of the Russian royal family who married into Thai royalty (before the revolution) who was murdered in this horrible way ...

 

[packetgravy]

No I’m saying the opposite. Simon had acute bowel issues but colonoscopies showed no bowel disease. Ergo, it’s more likely it was poison and food tampering because he didn’t have bowel disease upon medical testing.

In more lay terms, there’s been no explanation for Simon’s bowel issues over the years except that his wife is a convicted food poisoner and he gets sick after eating her food.

Colonoscopy, thank you.

They would have been looking for more than just bowl disease if this is the case.

I was trying to determine what the tests were, as this gives an idea of the symptoms he was experiencing. Colonoscopies are just one line of testing, if nothing is found then an endocrinologist might arrange further testing to rule out other conditions (such as breath testing etc.)

Imo.

 

[packetgravy]

It’s distasteful because she’s wasted the kids’ inheritance on a fancy trial that’s gotten her nowhere, I’m guessing.
IMO

She could have paid for their university studies, but no… that’s not going to happen.

I don’t agree with the right-to-inheritance discourse.

Inheritance is a privilege.

 

[Monstradamus]

It’s distasteful because she’s wasted the kids’ inheritance on a fancy trial that’s gotten her nowhere, I’m guessing.
IMO

She could have paid for their university studies, but no… that’s not going to happen.

Months of investigation, including police, health authorities chasing their tails. Child support involved. Four critically ill patients in hospital.
Months of trial prep, experts, lawyers.
A 9 week trial.
Has to be close to the Defence cost, surely.
Let's say 1.5 million for Defence, 1.5 million for Prosecution. At least 3 million all up, probably more.

If only she had cancelled her lunch guests, and eaten alone.

 

[ch_13]

Yes. Hence no charges.

We really don't know what evidence the government has. But even if they have enough to convict, there are all sorts of reasons why they may choose to not pursue charges. Especially as the perpetrator is already behind bars and likely to be there for the remainder of her life. Any prosecution will take significant resources that they may better be used elsewhere. Additionally, the victim and his family will have to deal with months and years of additional stress and trauma if they are subject to another trial.

I don't say that what we've heard to date in the media provides proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But to me, there are just too many instances of Simon becoming sick immediately after eating Erin's cooking for it just to be a coincidence. And not just sick, but he became seriously ill in ways that mimic the symptoms of very specific poisons that were obtainable by EP.

 

[packetgravy]

We really don't know what evidence the government has. But even if they have enough to convict, there are all sorts of reasons why they may choose to not pursue charges. Especially as the perpetrator is already behind bars and likely to be there for the remainder of her life. Any prosecution will take significant resources that they may better be used elsewhere. Additionally, the victim and his family will have to deal with months and years of additional stress and trauma if they are subject to another trial.

I don't say that what we've heard to date in the media provides proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But to me, there are just too many instances of Simon becoming sick immediately after eating Erin's cooking for it just to be a coincidence. And not just sick, but he became seriously ill in ways that mimic the symptoms of very specific poisons that were obtainable by EP.

I was referring specifically to the leftovers, as per the question asked of me.

 

[Ellery84]

Colonoscopy, thank you.

They would have been looking for more than just bowl disease if this is the case.

I was trying to determine what the tests were, as this gives an idea of the symptoms he was experiencing. Colonoscopies are just one line of testing, if nothing is found then an endocrinologist might arrange further testing to rule out other conditions (such as breath testing etc.)

Imo.

Where is your link to these facts? BBM.