GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #19

[JBowie]

Yes. I'd imagine there's not too many lining up to give EP a character reference.

... not one that she would want, that is.

 

[Scuffy35]

I've got an old internal SSD I mounted inside an old desktop computer, that is not the size/shape of a small narrow circuit board. Why assume that she only would have had a newer M.2 internal SSD?

I did not assume anything. I just made an addittional suggestion in case the object she was holding was more rectangular in shape than the pre M,2 SSD's.

BTY I personally have both types in one of my laptops. Nothing wrong with keeping the older SATA SSD's for extea storage

 

[Tortoise]

If this is the object she had in her hand walking into the store, it wouldn't make sense to do that.

I think she only went out that afternoon to dispose of whatever it was. The sole reason. And I think she invented the story of disposing of tissues to preempt a question over what she had in her hand before but not after going in the restroom. It seems the prosecution didn't notice it. She could easily have said the toilet was occupied, no reason to say she disposed of anything. IMO



"Her son said his mother was "quite persistent" about attending his flying lesson, and Ms Patterson agreed with that, the judge says."

Judge recaps Erin Patterson's evidence as triple-murder trial nears end — as it happened

Justice Christopher Beale is continuing his instructions to the jury in Erin Patterson's murder trial. Ms Patterson is accused of killing three relatives by serving them a beef Wellington containing death cap mushrooms. Follow the proceedings as it happened.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Scuffy35]

I think she only went out that afternoon to dispose of whatever it was. The sole reason. And I think she invented the story of disposing of tissues to preempt a question over what she had in her hand before but not after going in the restroom. It seems the prosecution didn't notice it. She could easily have said the toilet was occupied, no reason to say she disposed of anything. IMO



"Her son said his mother was "quite persistent" about attending his flying lesson, and Ms Patterson agreed with that, the judge says."

Judge recaps Erin Patterson's evidence as triple-murder trial nears end — as it happened

Justice Christopher Beale is continuing his instructions to the jury in Erin Patterson's murder trial. Ms Patterson is accused of killing three relatives by serving them a beef Wellington containing death cap mushrooms. Follow the proceedings as it happened.

www.abc.net.au

I get all that and agree with you.

My comments though were in relation to "pics of the black object in her hand after she paid at the counter and is walking to the exit."

 

[Tortoise]

I get all that and agree with you.

My comments though were in relation to "pics of the black object in her hand after she paid at the counter and is walking to the exit."

Oh sorry, I thought the comment you replied to about she could have put it in her bag or pocket referred to the object that was no longer in her hand when she came back out of the restroom.

 

[Detechtive]

One would probably put it in one's bag whilst in the car, to be hands free to (not) have enough time to wash one's hands after one's bush poo and subsequent clean-up, before touching food items in a public store with one's filthy hands.

One woman, one callous murderer.

One who most likely dumped evidence in a toilet bin. One who most likely dumped evidence while her son was at Subway. One who most likely dumped evidence at the tip after her unsuspecting lunch guests had left. One who definitely dumped the dehydrator, then lied about owning one.

Going to that servo was her 3rd opportunity to dispose of evidence. The tip, the Subway "cork" trip, the flying lesson. All within about 24 hours of the lunch.

My guess is, she threw something away there.

MOO

It could be a phone - doesn’t everyone pay with their phone these days? But what’s weird if it’s a phone is that it’s not in the bright pink case seen on the hospital footage the next day. So it’s not her main phone and that’s the one which went missing after the police search, so what could it be? And why is it in her hand when she has that big cross body bag?

The only thing I would be carrying is my phone, keys, purse or sunnies that I’d taken off inside if it was too dark. I just can’t work out what else you would be carrying which was in the car when you went to the effort of carrying that big bag in.

Edit: Also, if you wanted to dispose of something like that why wouldn't you wait til your son is at his flying lesson and you go for a drive and throw it into the bush or something?
I guess the same reason she didn't do this with the dehydrator?
Or was the BP stop on the way back from the cancelled flying lesson?

 

[Monstradamus]

It could be a phone - doesn’t everyone pay with their phone these days? But what’s weird if it’s a phone is that it’s not in the bright pink case seen on the hospital footage the next day. So it’s not her main phone and that’s the one which went missing after the police search, so what could it be? And why is it in her hand when she has that big cross body bag?

The only thing I would be carrying is my phone, keys, purse or sunnies that I’d taken off inside if it was too dark. I just can’t work out what else you would be carrying which was in the car when you went to the effort of carrying that big bag in.

Edit: Also, if you wanted to dispose of something like that why wouldn't you wait til your son is at his flying lesson and you go for a drive and throw it into the bush or something?
I guess the same reason she didn't do this with the dehydrator?
Or was the BP stop on the way back from the cancelled flying lesson?

I would leave my bag in the car with my kids, and take my keys and phone to pay.
And I think the servo stop was on the way to Tyabb before the lesson was cancelled.

 

[Detechtive]

I would leave my bag in the car with my kids, and take my keys and phone to pay.
And I think the servo stop was on the way to Tyabb before the lesson was cancelled.

If my teens were in the car I would leave the car running with the aircon/heat on, too. So, not even keys in my hand.

It's just all very strange. Who takes a cross body bag into a servo?

 

[Monstradamus]

If my teens were in the car I would leave the car running with the aircon/heat on, too. So, not even keys in my hand.

It's just all very strange. Who takes a cross body bag into a servo?

It's all a part of the 'fit

 

[Two SCents]

I would leave my bag in the car with my kids, and take my keys and phone to pay.
And I think the servo stop was on the way to Tyabb before the lesson was cancelled.

3.20pm.

"Senior Constable Khuong Tran discussed CCTV footage, shown in court, of the accused stopping at a BP service station in Caldermeade at 3.20pm on July 30, where she had a nine second toilet break."

Curious phone messages revealed: Patterson Trial

By STEFAN BRADLEY ERIN Patterson's Supreme Court trial continued last week (Week 4) in Morwell. The trial is currently [...]

latrobevalleyexpress.com.au

 

[MrJ]

I can just imagine the ‘character witness’ bit at the hearing being as follows:
defence barrister: “your honour for the character witness we call… Colin Mandy”
CM: “err yes your honour she’s guilty af obviously but she made me money so obviously a person who’d give her lawyer money is cool”

 

[Monstradamus]

Erin Patterson's BP Caldermeade stop

Follow the latest news headlines from Australia's most trusted source. Read in-depth expert analysis and watch live coverage on ABC News.

www.abc.net.au

Seems it was on the way there?

 

[Monstradamus]

This is a good summary of the entire case.

How a recipe of 'ultimate indulgence' became central to a murder plot

Two years ago, Erin Patterson was a mother of two from a regional town who lived a quiet life. Now, the 50-year-old has been found guilty of murdering three people with death cap mushrooms, in a trial that's made global headlines.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Jake18]

Erin Patterson's BP Caldermeade stop

Follow the latest news headlines from Australia's most trusted source. Read in-depth expert analysis and watch live coverage on ABC News.

www.abc.net.au

Seems it was on the way there?

It’s so much food interaction for someone supposedly having explosive diarrhoea. No one feeling unwell would peruse the sandwiches. You’d tell your kids they’d just left home and couldn’t be hungry and maybe grab a cold drink to sip slowly.

I think she put something into a sanitary disposal bin.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Herald Sun this morning ....

(paraphrased)

During her high school days, Erin was described as brilliant but unhinged (by the sister of a former classmate).
The HS has spoken with about a dozen former classmates.
Erin was accepted into an acceleration program at University High School in Parkville in the mid-80s.
Quiet, reserved, did not get involved with the wider group - kept on the periphery, kept to herself. But had friends in the acceleration program.
Erin was in the STEM stream ... math and science.
The school is noted for nurturing artistic, academic and political types.
Its former students include Olivia Newton-John, former Victorian premier Joan Kirner, University of Melbourne vice chancellor Emma Johnston, actress Marisa Fraser.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/inside-erin-pattersons-high-school-days-triple-murderer-described-as-brilliant-but-unhinged-in-teen-years/news-story/d563bedb1f984a7cd3621b628c7a73e2?amp

 

[SouthAussie]

This other Herald Sun article from this morning says that Simon is expected to be a no-show at the pre-sentence hearing. Although a prosecutor could read a VIS from him.

(My comment - are these guesses by the HS based on Simon not attending court for the verdict?)

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/families-moment-to-tell-erin-patterson-how-their-lives-have-been-shattered/news-story/82ae81cd192afdd04cdaf0b37358c50a?amp

 

[Deleted member 367982]

... or maybe a backup drive, if one is slim enough.

I might be imagining things here. I think she put something in the bin in the toilet and then when she came out noticed that someone else had gone in. I think she then pretended to be buying a sandwich but was really waiting to see if the person had found what she dropped in the bin and had come out looking for the owner and she could say it was hers. It seems she put back the first sandwich she had chosen and when a different woman comes out of the toilet she seems to duck down.
Alternatively, if she's right about having bad gastro then how disgusting that she puts soiled tissues in the bin in the toilet without washing her hands and then handling the food.

 

[Monstradamus]

This other Herald Sun article from this morning says that Simon is expected to be a no-show at the pre-sentence hearing. Although a prosecutor could read a VIS from him.

(My comment - are these guesses by the HS based on Simon not attending court for the verdict?)

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/families-moment-to-tell-erin-patterson-how-their-lives-have-been-shattered/news-story/82ae81cd192afdd04cdaf0b37358c50a?amp

If it was me, I'd want to look her in the eye.

 

[MrJ]

Alternatively, if she's right about having bad gastro

I really wouldn’t trust EP on anything she says IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

If it was me, I'd want to look her in the eye.

Simon may be more concerned about shielding the children during the pre-sentence hearing.

imo