GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Detechtive]

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Pretty sure she thinks she's the greatest person on earth. IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Pretty sure she thinks she's the greatest person on earth. IMO

It would be interesting to know why she has such an inflated ego and considers herself superior to everyone else?

 

[Detechtive]

It would be interesting to know why she has such an inflated ego and considers herself superior to everyone else?

She most definitely does have an inflated ego and most definitely does think she is superior to everyone else.

 

[Monstradamus]

I think she is full of self importance and self loathing, imo.

 

[Detechtive]

It would be interesting to know why she has such an inflated ego and considers herself superior to everyone else?

Sorry, i saw you said 'why' not 'if' - Grandiosity? ASPD?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she is full of self importance and self loathing, imo.

If she's a narcissist she might be.

 

[Detechtive]

I don't see the self-loathing. She is entitled, arrogant, grandiose, superiority complex, and nasty and punitive. She seems to be the opposite of self-loathing.

The only reason she hid herself from her 'friends' (photos, etc) was because she revelled in the asymmetry of power it provided, IMO. She liked to control every narrative and everyones perceptions of her, for controls sake, not self loathing IMO.

If there was any doubt for me about her guilt, originally, when I was still thinking it all through - When she released that media statement she denies she leaked, I absolutely knew she was guilty because she was trying to manipulate the publics perceptions of her through doing so. It was her way of controlling the police and public, IMO. This is exactly how she functions day to day.

IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I don't see the self-loathing. She is entitled, arrogant, grandiose, superiority complex, and nasty and punitive. She seems to be the opposite of self-loathing.

The only reason she hid herself from her 'friends' (photos, etc) was because she revelled in the asymmetry of power it provided, IMO. She liked to control every narrative and everyones perceptions of her, for controls sake, not self loathing IMO.

If there was any doubt for me about her guilt, originally, when I was still thinking it all through - When she released that media statement she denies she leaked, I absolutely knew she was guilty because she was trying to manipulate the publics perceptions of her through doing so. It was her way of controlling the police and public, IMO. This is exactly how she functions day to day.

IMO

I agree. I can't see any evidence of self-loathing either.

 

[Marg944]

Patterson (pictured leaving court on August 25)

Grim details emerge about Erin Patterson's isolated prison life

Patterson, 50, was found guilty of poisoning three of her in-laws - and attempting to kill another - with a lunch laced with death cap mushrooms in July 2023.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Monstradamus]

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Patterson (pictured leaving court on August 25)

Grim details emerge about Erin Patterson's isolated prison life

Patterson, 50, was found guilty of poisoning three of her in-laws - and attempting to kill another - with a lunch laced with death cap mushrooms in July 2023.

www.dailymail.co.uk

@Marg944 when I saw that picture this morning it made me smile. Made my day

 

[Scuffy35]

Internet access is prohibited for Victoria's prisoners.


Internet, email and social media access by prisoners is prohibited.

https://www.corrections.vic.gov.au/being-in-prison/property-and-clothing

I wonder then how they would do those university courses in jail then, as I imagined they would be online courses?

 

[Moll]

I wonder then how they would do those university courses in jail then, as I imagined they would be online courses?

I think there will be some restrictions on what can be studied for this reason. I was a tutor for the Open University here in the UK 15-20 years ago and had two students in open prisons (expecting to be released in the next year). They were given supervised access, I think, but in any case at that time in my subject (linguistics) a lot could be done without access.

This is the OU's current guidance
The Open University and I expect someone can find the Australian equivalents.

 

[Ellery84]

I wonder then how they would do those university courses in jail then, as I imagined they would be online courses?

That is a great question, isn’t it.

 

[L_B]

That is a great question, isn’t it.

They can be given locked down computers and have supervised access I believe.

 

[Scuffy35]

I think there will be some restrictions on what can be studied for this reason. I was a tutor for the Open University here in the UK 15-20 years ago and had two students in open prisons (expecting to be released in the next year). They were given supervised access, I think, but in any case at that time in my subject (linguistics) a lot could be done without access.

This is the OU's current guidance
The Open University and I expect someone can find the Australian equivalents.

I could just imagine how EP could find ways to exploit so called "supervised access".

 

[JBowie]

I wonder then how they would do those university courses in jail then, as I imagined they would be online courses?

I guess via prerecorded/offline material.

 

[Ellery84]

I could just imagine how EP could find ways to exploit so called "supervised access".

I agree. She’s very smart.

 

[Warshawski]

Think I missed this one

3.40pm

Premeditation, the intention to kill and why the meal was served on different plates​

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Colin Mandy and Justice Christopher Beale are now discussing premeditation. This includes when Patterson first formed the intention to carry out her poison plot.

“There can be no argument that the acts were deliberate and that the intention was to kill,” Mandy said.

He said the defence accepted that on the morning of the lunch, as she prepared the meal, Patterson had formed the intention to harm her guests.

But Beale has asked how he should consider the earlier invitation by Patterson, on July 16 at the church service, for the Pattersons and Wilkinsons to attend lunch at her house.

Mandy is arguing the prosecution contended his client, right until the day of the lunch, may have, in fact, been intending to harm her estranged husband, Simon.

Beale said he placed a lot of store in the evidence of lunch survivor Ian Wilkinson, in particular about the different coloured plates the meals were served on.

Mandy accepted that his client’s behaviour after lunch was an aggravating factor in her offending. That included her lies about being unwell and disposal of the dehydrator.

The ‘elaborate’ cover-up after the beef Wellington lunch and the single word that might have changed everything

September 8 is the date Erin Patterson will learn her fate – whether that be life in prison without the possibility of parole, as the prosecution has requested, or life with the possibility of the poisoner one day walking outside of jail once again.

www.smh.com.au

I find it interesting that NOW we hear from Mr Mandy of his agreement to the suggestions that Erin poisoned her lunch guests in what was a deliberate & planned occurrence.
And he agrees that the lied about her post-lunch behaviour, including lying about being unwell herself.

None of this is or was News to him, as he had every bit of evidence that the prosecution was bringing to trial - yet at that stage he was prepared to get up and argue her innocence.

I said I found it interesting, but to be honest I find it amoral. … each to their own I guess, in choices of how to earn a buck.

 

[JBowie]

to be honest I find it amoral

I don't think barristers have ever been accused of having scruples. They are essentially hired guns and (unless subject to a no-win, no-fee agreement) they get paid regardless of the outcome.


A criminal lawyer can defend someone they believe is guilty since there is a distinction between “legal guilt” and “factual guilt.”

How Can A Criminal Defence Lawyer Represent Someone Who Is Guilty?

How Can A Criminal Defence Lawyer Represent Someone Who Is Guilty? A common question people tend to ask about criminal lawyers is if they can still ethically defend someone even […]

kpwlawyers.com.au

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[Warshawski]

Did Erin’s “eating disorder” disappear from the proceedings today?

Something else that can’t be substantiated IMO.

Also, that orange cake was desert for 4 people - I’d be surprised if there was much left.